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MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:49 pm
by rapsfan1231
the top ten are top 20
1. Jason Heyward, ATL
2. Stephen Strasburg, WAS
3. Mike Stanton, FLA
4. Buster Posey, SF
5. Brian Matusz, BAL
6. Desmond Jennings, TB
7. Neftali Feliz, TEX
8. Pedro Alvarez, PIT
9. Justin Smoak, TEX
10. Madison Bumgarner, SF
11. Carlos Santana, CLE
12. Alcides Escobar, MIL
13. Wade Davis, TB
14. Domonic Brown, PHI
15. Dustin Ackley, SEA
16. Brett Wallace, TOR17. Kyle Drabek, TOR18. Martin Perez, TEX
19. Jesus Montero, NYY20. Jeremy Hellickson, TB
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... p&c_id=mlbI'm pretty surprised that Zach Stewart didn't make the list but pretty happy about the positions of wallace and drabek.. Wired montero was rated that low though
check out these vids too
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topi ... id=7150991 (wallace)
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topi ... id=7150983 (drabek)
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:33 pm
by Schad
Stolen from Battersbox, Dr. Klaw apparently ranked Wallace 20th (above Taylor at 24th), Drabek 40th (injury concerns), Stewart 55th, and D'Arnaud 99th. Not the makings of a terrific farm system, but definitely a pretty solid front line given the number of players we've graduated in the last year.
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:37 pm
by rapsfan1231
Schadenfreude wrote:Dr. Klaw also has his top-100 out...anyone with Insider access around these parts?
also if someone from insider can post where the blue jays ranked Keith Law top organizational rankings list would be great too..
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/ ... %3d4861174Also here is the top 20 from ESPN
1 Jason Heyward, OF, ATL
2 Stephen Strasburg, RHP, WAS
3 Carlos Santana, C, CLE
4 Buster Posey, C, SFO
5 Mike Stanton, OF, FLA
6 Desmond Jennings, OF, TAM
7 Martin Perez, LHP, TEX
8 Dustin Ackley, CF, SEA
9 Justin Smoak, 1B, TEX
10 Jesus Montero, C, NYY
11 Brian Matusz, LHP, BAL
12 Starlin Castro, SS, CHC
13 Neftali Feliz, RHP, TEX
14 Domonic Brown, RF, PHI
15 Wade Davis, RHP, TAM
16 Aroldis Chapman, LHP, CIN
17 Jeremy Hellickson, RHP, TAM
18 Casey Kelly, RHP, BOS
19 Aaron Hicks, RHP, MIN
20 Brett Wallace, 1B, TOR
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:38 pm
by Kaizen
16. Toronto Blue Jays
Let's just say it's a good thing for this list that they traded Halladay and Rolen; without those four prospects (Kyle Drabek, Zach Stewart, Brett Wallace, Travis d'Arnaud), the Jays might have ranked last.
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Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:40 pm
by Kaizen
40 Kyle Drabek
Age: 22 (DOB: Dec. 8, 1987)
Bats: Right Throws: Right
Position: Pitcher Organization: Toronto Blue Jays
Top '09 Level: AA (Reading)
2009 ranking: UR
Kyle Drabek
2009 MINORS STATS
* GM25
* IP158.0
* W12
* L3
* ERA3.19
* SO150
* BB50
* H141
* HR9
* BAA.239
Drabek missed most of 2007 and 2008 due to Tommy John surgery, but he had a strong return in 2009, dominating the Florida State League and holding his own as a 21-year-old in Double-A. He has a chance to throw two above-average pitches, with a curveball that's currently plus, 79-80 mph with a hard tilt that approaches a slider break, and a fastball that's comfortably 90-93 mph, although it's flat and he could benefit from mixing in a cutter or two-seamer so hitters don't just sit on the four-seamer. He throws a changeup, but it's not effective enough against left-handed hitters to grade as average. He's shown he can throw strikes, but doesn't command the ball well to his glove side yet, although command is the last thing to return for pitchers who've had Tommy John surgery and Drabek has thrown only 267 innings in pro ball. He's got some head violence at the end of his delivery, which could point to a future in the pen, although for now he should continue to start and will have the benefit of working with a new player development staff on his stuff and mechanics. With some cleanup and a third pitch, he has a chance to be a No. 2 or No. 3 starter.
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:18 pm
by Kaizen
Law's top 10 Jays prospects
1. Brett Wallace, 3B/1B
2. Kyle Drabek, RHP
3. Zach Stewart, RHP
4. Travis d'Arnaud, C
5. Henderson Alvarez, RHP
6. J.P. Arencibia, C
7. Chad Jenkins, RHP
8. Jake Marisnick, OF
9. Moises Sierra, RF
10. Gustavo Pierre, SS
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:45 pm
by The_Hater
CZAR85 wrote:16. Toronto Blue Jays
Let's just say it's a good thing for this list that they traded Halladay and Rolen; without those four prospects (Kyle Drabek, Zach Stewart, Brett Wallace, Travis d'Arnaud), the Jays might have ranked last.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, the JP Riccardi era!
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:34 pm
by Holmes
Madison Bumgarner is awesome.
Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner....that's not even fair.
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:19 pm
by Hoopstarr
The_Hater wrote:CZAR85 wrote:16. Toronto Blue Jays
Let's just say it's a good thing for this list that they traded Halladay and Rolen; without those four prospects (Kyle Drabek, Zach Stewart, Brett Wallace, Travis d'Arnaud), the Jays might have ranked last.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, the JP Riccardi era!
He ranked them 18th last year. The last place ranking this year would have been because of Rzep, Cecil, Snider, Romero, etc making it up, and not signing 3 top picks.
Also, I don't think there's a correlation between farm rankings and success in the majors. I read an SI story 2 years ago that said the Jays were #1 in graduating their picks to the majors since the 90s. Since then, even more of JP's picks have made it up.
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:38 pm
by The_Hater
Hoopstarr wrote:
Also, I don't think there's a correlation between farm rankings and success in the majors. I read an SI story 2 years ago that said the Jays were #1 in graduating their picks to the majors since the 90s. Since then, even more of JP's picks have made it up.
But JP has ranked much lower than 18th for most of his tenure. Did we ever get into the top half of major league teams for farm ranksings in any season he was in charge?
In the the late 80's, early 90's, the Jays system was very well stocked. That was how Gillick built a near dynasty for all those years and that's the primary reason the Jays have produced so many major leaguers over a 20 year span. Even Chris Carpenter was drafted by Gillick, that's how far reaching his legacy still is. JP deserves very little credit for that stat.
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Fri Feb 5, 2010 5:09 am
by bholmes4
JP had some good ideas but I hated his draft philosophy. He basically sought low-ceiling but likely to pan out guys. To me that's not the way to do it. You can easily sign these same guys or trade for them. Baseball players are in a pyramid of talent. Only a few are elite players, then you have stars, then you have good players etc. The draft, imo, is where you need to get your stars (unless you are Boston or New York) or else you will have to pay them 15+ mill a year or give up 3 good prospects for them. So why intentionally draft average to slightly above average players? These guys are a dime a dozen. They are on the lower tiers of the pyramid, you know that wide area, where you can find a ton of other players like them?
You need to aim for the stars in the draft, that's the best way to acquire them cheaply. I think AA gets this and he has really impressed me so far. I hope Rogers is prepared to give him a long leash and room to fail for a bit. Never before have I seen a GM who makes the same sort of moves I'd like to think I would make in his spot. I love following this guy simply because he seems to have the same philosophy I have. I can't wait to see if it works simply because I have wanted to see these types of moves happen in Toronto for years now!!
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Sun Feb 7, 2010 3:48 am
by Mike Hunt
What the Jays have to do is head into the draft ready to spend way above slot. If you're AA, you go to Beeston and say: "Gillick built the farm, please help me build the farm" and Beeston can say to ownership: "We'll cut X amount of dollars of payroll but we'd like to be able to spend Y (where Y is much smaller than X) amount of dollars more on draft day". I think that's a pretty pitchable idea. Baseball rookie deals aren't like football ones. Even going above slot the dollar figures are pretty reasonable. Granted, they're bigger gambles but would't you rather gamble a few million on a prospect than gamble 20 million per season that a player can repeatedly perform as well as he has?
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Sun Feb 7, 2010 2:27 pm
by Michael Bradley
Ricciardi more often than not looked at floor, not ceiling when drafting players. That's why the Jays always 1) ranked low on prospect charts, and 2) always lacked trade chips to add talent. Raw players with high ceilings generally have more value than more polished players with low or limited ceilings. Ricciardi drafted in a way that he would get a lot of rapid promotion (older college players would breeze through the lower minors) but ultimately lacked any real upside. Only Lind, Hill, and Marcum (when healthy) are impact calibre MLB players from JP's era (Snider and others might reach that eventually).
I get the sense that AA is more diverse with his approach than Ricciardi was, so I think the Jays from a farm system standpoint are MUCH better off with AA.
Re: MLB's Top 50 Prospects For 2010
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:09 am
by LieCheatSteal
These rankings are a little unfair. If the Jays kept Cecil (23), Rzep (23) and Snider (22) down on the farm another year, they wouldn't be that bad. Also, from what I remember, Romero (25) wasn't even top 5 before he became the ACE of the Jays. Also, Law HATES the Jays ever since they fired his ass.