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Post #21 » by **corona** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:01 pm

3 million for 2 seasons, nonguaranteed 3rd season.

atkins/iverson backcourt was a horrible idea from the beginning. i'm not sure who thought it up.

big123 · Post #22 » by **big123** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:25 pm

JRmakes_it_rain wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Karl and Brown are both from North Carolina's school of coaches.....they both obviously have ego's and only coach on there terms....they both have showed they can't manage ego's..or star players. Larry showed this numerous times with AI, Melo on the dream team, with a young stackhouse, and to an extent with Webber. Karl...well don't even take his job with the nuggs into consideration...look at milwaukee, and somewhat with payton in the beginning. He's got a who's who of stars that he's alienated in the league.
If you want to talk X's and O's.....offensively neither could get AI to do anything but dribble around and run the shot clock down, our offense looks very familiar to what happened in Philly with Brown. I believe that coaching in the league isn't as much as X's and O's as it is managing personnel and talent. If your players respect you...they play hard for you, 80 percent of the time, if you're lucky. Defense is 90 percent effort, and if you don't put out effort....I don't care who your coach is, you're not going to play D. AI didn't do it for Brown, he doesn't do it for Karl.....Melo doesn't do it for Karl, hell the whole team doesn't put out the effort....so why would bringing in Karl's buddy....Larry Brown...make any kind of a difference? Put down the meth pipe, why would Larry even want to coach where his good friend just got fired from?

AI and Larry got to the finals

Melo and the dream team? Last time I checked, Melo is one of many stars, not just him so he;s created equal, not the "man".

Webber? He never coached Webber.

Stackhouse? lol

JRmakes_it_rain · Post #23 » by **JRmakes_it_rain** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:05 pm

big123 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

AI and Larry got to the finals

Melo and the dream team? Last time I checked, Melo is one of many stars, not just him so he;s created equal, not the "man".

Webber? He never coached Webber.

Stackhouse? lol

My fault on that webber comment.....thought wallace...put webber...superstar who he bumped heads with repeatedly, but wasn't a big deal because they won. AI and Larry got to the finals outta the east....how'd they do again when they got there? The dream team he coached....how'd they do again? Stackhouse wanted out mainly because he didn't like AI jacking, or Browns style...and yes, Stackhouse was an all-star.

Post #24 » by **el loco** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:21 pm

Don_eMOCION#31 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

are you kidding me!?

tell me some coaching philosophys they are similar at

They are both North Carolina guys. They both have a good relationship with Doug Moe. They both have a tendency to cry to the media about there teams. There are a lot of similarities between the two. Both of them can come in and change the day for a year or two before players get tired of the act, but in this case our 2 all-stars have already had a taste to what he brings. I don't think he would be an improvement over what is already here. I think we need a guy that can relate to todays players. A guy that still has a passion for the game and isn't afraid to show some emotion. GK and LB don't have that passion anymore IMO.

badnews313 · Post #25 » by **badnews313** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:48 pm

AI and Larry got to the finals outta the east....how'd they do again when they got there?

Better than any team from the West.

Stackhouse wanted out mainly because he didn't like AI jacking, or Browns style...and yes, Stackhouse was an all-star.

How much success did Stackhouse have when he left? How many times did he make the all-star team? Do you remember the season he lead the league in shots attempted and Detroit won about 20 games I believe. A young Stack and a young AI were a bad match, but I love how people like to make it out as if Stack had an amazing career once he left and it was all Iverson's fault he left. The main person responsible for Stack going was LB.[/quote]

JRmakes_it_rain · Post #26 » by **JRmakes_it_rain** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:58 pm

badnews313 wrote:
AI and Larry got to the finals outta the east....how'd they do again when they got there?

Better than any team from the West.

Stackhouse wanted out mainly because he didn't like AI jacking, or Browns style...and yes, Stackhouse was an all-star.

How much success did Stackhouse have when he left? How many times did he make the all-star team? Do you remember the season he lead the league in shots attempted and Detroit won about 20 games I believe. A young Stack and a young AI were a bad match, but I love how people like to make it out as if Stack had an amazing career once he left and it was all Iverson's fault he left. The main person responsible for Stack going was LB.

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This makes absolutely no sense....so they won a title? Since they did better then any team from the west?

Stackhouse has won as much as AI has to date.....no titles for either of them. I'd be willing to guess that Stack has won more games then AI since leaving, but really irrelevant either way.

big123 · Post #27 » by **big123** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:12 am

JRmakes_it_rain wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This makes absolutely no sense....so they won a title? Since they did better then any team from the west?

Stackhouse has won as much as AI has to date.....no titles for either of them. I'd be willing to guess that Stack has won more games then AI since leaving, but really irrelevant either way.

You said East like it mattered but said it makes no sense when he says West. LOL too funny. Keep on posting, it gets funnier and funnier.

syxx87 · Post #28 » by **syxx87** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:35 am

The biggest con with Brown is the fact that he has a huge ego like the stars on this team, he cries to the media, and is really stubborn/old school. However the fact of the matter is that he demanded for his players to play defense and play "the right way" or else they got benched. People can talk all they want about how Iverson and Brown didnt get along, and how A.I. missed practice and how Brown would call him out publicly. But the fact of the matter is that come tip off A.I. played how Larry wanted him to play and did what Larry told him to do.

While he wasnt a great defender and depended on racking up 3 spg to defend, AI atleast gave a 100% effort on D for Larry. Now if A.I. did all that for Brown when was considered "immature" and "selfish" why wouldn't he do it now, when he is considered such a mature person now and realizes that his window of oppurtunity is closing?

badnews313 · Post #29 » by **badnews313** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:46 pm

JRmakes_it_rain wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

This makes absolutely no sense....so they won a title? Since they did better then any team from the west?

Stackhouse has won as much as AI has to date.....no titles for either of them. I'd be willing to guess that Stack has won more games then AI since leaving, but really irrelevant either way.

I was referring to the West teams in the playoffs who all got swept by the Lakers. You talked about the East as being so inferior(which was overstated, East wasn't comparable then to what it's been in the past couple years), when in fact the Sixers took a game from the Lakers and played them tougher than the West teams did.

And don't try and act as if Stackhouse and Iverson's careers are even comparable because neither has a title, that's just ridiculous. It's a weak argument.

syxx87 · Post #30 » by **syxx87** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:36 pm

Iverson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stackhouse

JRmakes_it_rain · Post #31 » by **JRmakes_it_rain** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:21 pm

syxx87 wrote:Iverson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stackhouse

no kidding?

bebopdeluxe · Post #32 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:01 pm

1) Somebody needs to remind GK that Allen Iverson knows how to play PG.

2) I think that given the makeup of the team, bringing in a young, more defensively-oriented coach that does not have the cojones to keep the team in line could be a disaster. At least GK just lets the guys play ball. If you want to instill more of a defensive mindset, you are going to need to bring in a coach that these guys will respect enough to REALLY WORK on D...

LB could potentially be a short-term option, but the Nuggets are not like other teams that he has taken over int the past. It is an established, veteran team, so his shelf life will probably be short...say, 1-2 years. But with the right breaks (and if the players TRULY buy in to what he is selling), he could be the guy to take you where you want to go. The reality is youo have three key guys who either could walk after next season (AI) or could start feeling the impact of age on their game (Camby and K-Mart). It might make sense to have a Celtics-like approach - take your best shot over the next year or two, while the talent level is still high...and LB could be the coach to put you over the top.