Confused????? (Knicks Fan)

[KnickRider]

as to what denver was really thinking

when you got back and look at all, especially in the last decade or 2, the championship teams they all averaged 3 superstars. about the only exception were LA and chicago where they had 2, but then on both those teams the 2 were arguably the actual best players in the game.

when denver made the move for iverson the other year they were 1 of the favorites to get a chip. camby was the anchor for their defense.

so unless they plan to blow it all up what in the hell could they possibly be thinking. they were a piece or 2 away from taking it all right now. yes they save 40mil over the next few years. but as far as i can see they have no inside presence offensively or defensively right now. yes they have nene and kenyon but until either of them if not both can show they can play an entire season then they are not a factor

and kudos to LA for getting somebody to take that 2nd round pick for a legit star. more power to them


i want to be clear i am not hating. i just dont see the logic in the move, from denver standpoint that is.

[24K_Gold]

my 1st reaction was wtf are they doing but once I lit one and thought about it from a going forward standpoint it seemed to make sense to an extent.the 10 million exception made me feel even better(if they use it,which i'm sure they will being that they're still going to be into the luxury tax)

befor I continue let me say this about camby...he a great help defender,rebounder,shot blocker,but like everyone likes to say about iverson's steals total being hollow,camby's stats are just as hollow if not more.I can't tell you how many times this yr camby was abused by the bigger and stronger post men this yr.camby's blks came from the weakside 90% of the time.camnby's rebounds came from at time pushing his own man out of the way(who may have had better positioning).reasoning being that camby makes 8mill a yr but getting those blk shots and rebounds along with playing in a certain amount og games add up to 2mill extra a yr for him.not to mention camby is 34yrs old and coming off a season where he played in the most games he ever has his entire career and it was more than obvious that he wore way down as the season went on.so do you suggest that we keep a 34yr old player who is no doubt on the downside of his career or do you trade him while his value is at the highest it's going to be considering his age and injury proneness(is that a word lol)however I do feel that we kind of settle to low as far as draft picks go.

this was in no way to underrate camby and what he brings to a team.on a decent defensive team camby makes them a great defensive team.and he will be miss mainly at the start of the seaon but the way this team is structured nene is the better option at center.nene and kmart form a very good defensive post tandem defensively and offensively.not as many blks or rebounds but better overall post defenders and definitely better post scoring to open up the perimeter in the playoffs for the likes of smith,klezia,melo,iverson.

now everything I just said is contingent on what they do with the 10mill,2 1st rd picks.this deal allows us to take in more salery than we send out.considering who we have in our front office doesn't make my stomach feel all that at ease.if not I could see melo and ai forcing their way out.those 2 guys won't settle for a lame duck season.something is coming!

[M.Balla]

From PickAxe&Roll

The argument in favor of Camby has always been that he is the anchor of the Nuggets defense. His presence allows his teammates to play the passing lanes because he is such an incredible shot blocker. While he is a gifted shot blocker and help defender there are two things wrong with that theory.



First of all, he lets a lot of shots go without being challenged. You see Marcus give up an uncontested layup as frequently as he blocks a shot. He gets a lot of credit for having such a low foul rate for a shot blocker. The reason for that is he only goes after shots he knows he will get thus the practice of allowing an open and unchallenged layup.



The second reason why Camby is not some mystical wall that anchors the Nuggets defense is he is not nearly the presence that someone like Dikembe Mutombo was, and sometimes still is. A truly great defender and shot blocker will alter many more shots than they block. Camby does not do that. The ability to alter shots is what transforms a shot blocker to a truly transcendent defender. It is one thing to prevent three or four shots a game getting to the rim. If you figure half of those shots would have gone in, he saved his team four points. It is entirely another to cause an additional eight or ten shots to miss their mark simply due to your presence and the threat you pose to the shooter. That can save your team an additional eight to ten points per game. Once a shot blocker reaches that level they also create a “no fly zone” that extends from the rim out into the lane where the other team knows they should avoid because they will accomplish nothing by getting into the lane. That is when a team can become a truly great defensive squad.

[KnickRider]

10mil and 2 1st rounders sounds way better than 1 2nd round that was originally reported.
problem is i would not trust nene or kenyon as far as i could thrown them, especially nene. i love them both but they are never healthy

[M.Balla]

If the Clippers gave us 2 1st rounders we will be jumping of joy, but if the Nuggets didn't want a expiring back, the only team they could do the trade with was the Clippers so they didn't have any kind of leverage or negotiation power.

[24K_Gold]

no we didn't get 2 1st from the clippers.when I said 10 mill I was talking about the 10 mill we got from the clippers and the -uture 1st we got from the bobcats plus our own 1st rd pick of next yr.hence the 10mill and 2 1st rd picks and 2 2nd rd picks(i think)

[killbuckner]

Basically the Nuggets traded Camby for 20 million dollars and a second round pick. The only other team that could have taken Camby without giving back salary in return is Memphis and they wouldn't have done it.

[CableKC]

as to what denver was really thinking

when you got back and look at all, especially in the last decade or 2, the championship teams they all averaged 3 superstars. about the only exception were LA and chicago where they had 2, but then on both those teams the 2 were arguably the actual best players in the game.

when denver made the move for iverson the other year they were 1 of the favorites to get a chip. camby was the anchor for their defense.

so unless they plan to blow it all up what in the hell could they possibly be thinking. they were a piece or 2 away from taking it all right now. yes they save 40mil over the next few years. but as far as i can see they have no inside presence offensively or defensively right now. yes they have nene and kenyon but until either of them if not both can show they can play an entire season then they are not a factor

and kudos to LA for getting somebody to take that 2nd round pick for a legit star. more power to them

i want to be clear i am not hating. i just dont see the logic in the move, from denver standpoint that is.

I still don't understand why people are so perplexed by why the Nuggets made this move. The Nuggets FO painted themselves into a corner and had to clear $9mil from their Salarycap while taking back no salary in order to avoid paying the Luxury Tax.

Camby was moved purely for financial reasons....not because the Nuggets all of a sudden decided to make a trade that ranks up there on the same level as a Zeke-like trade.

Although I am guessing that the Nuggets would have preferred to move anyone else that did not have any value....Camby is clearly the most logical candidate to move since his contract isn't unreasonable, he is still productive and still has value since he expires next season.

From a trade value POV....I know it makes ZERO sense.....but from a Financial/Salary POV....since it was pretty much a directive from the Owner to get below the Luxury Tax threshold....moving Camby while taking back literally nothing makes absolute sense.