24K_Gold wrote:The Rebel wrote:24K_Gold wrote:why argue with these kids?just look at the freakin post and you can tell that most of the ones who think it was a mistake are melo nutthuggers who could care less about wins and losses but more so of how many points melo scores,how many shots he gets ect...they can't stand the fact that melo has to share the spotlight(being that it was already hard enough trying to keep up with bron,wade,bosh!)
typical AI fan, people who disagree cannot care about the team they must be Melo nutthuggers. We know it is all about each player and not the team right? at least with AI fans, because that is all they seem to understand. They are he only ones who seem to bring up Melo, let alone Melo's touches shots and scoring total. Most Nuggets fans do not care. I realize that the fact that the fact that the trade for AI being seen as a mistake by the Nuggets only hurts AI's legacy bugs the **** out of some of you, but it is a fact and some of the more intelligent AI fans understand that.
Caring more for a franchise and that teams short and long term future may be a foreign concept to some of you, but some of us have been cheering for the Nuggets long before AI was even in high school, and will continue to be here long after all these worthless **** are retired. So if you think the Ai trade was good for the franchise tell me how it accomplished any one of a number of the teams stated goals when they acquired him, do not come with all the things you wish they would do, as that was never part of the plan, and if it should have been then the trade was a mistake.
24K_Gold wrote:travis heath has a very good article over on hoopsworld about melo...you guys really need to check it out.
You know you have a sad argument when the best article you can find to slam a guy is taken from a no name website with a guy who gets his opinions and supposed inside information from message boards, while stealing his quotes from other stories. The whole thing is one guys opinion that just happens to back your and other opinions, however it is not based on reality.
Let's take the rebounding, he complains about Melo's rebounding, which is fine. However Melo was the second best SF rebounder in the league, what does he have to say about the other 28 starting SFs in the league? He compares Melo defense on the US team as compared to the Nuggets, I don't know why melo is below average for both teams. The fact of the matter is that Melo is and has always been the same player on both teams, what he is asked to do and the system he is in is the biggest difference, and the fact that with his inability to get calls in the NBA he is used to that rougher style while many of the Superstars have had no idea how to deal with it until now.
As for his statement that Melo fans are already looking for excuses for a mediore next season, where does the rest of the team fit in? Or is it only Melo, last I checked this team needed an overall before anybody had the right to expect anything more then a mediocre season. Hell any supposed subjective observer should be able to see that, let alone a supposed objective journalist like Heath tries to pretend he is.
i was hoping you would bring that weak ass ai fan argument down to the carpet cause the fact of the matter is that i have always been a huge fan of melo's,a long time fan and follower of the denver nuggets(since my city didn't have a team until now,followed all teams near okc)so your ai fan argument is trash
Oh right weakass Ai fanboy argument?. You can claim what you wish, but it is obvious to anybody who has spent time on this board that you have had a pro AI anti Nuggets agenda since the day you started posting on here, and have continually tried to attack anybody who disagrees with his statements, while never bringing any kind of intelligent conversation to the table. The saddest thing is that my post was in direct response to your attack on me and others call us Melo Nuthuggers, because we can see the mistake that the Ai trade is, but don't worry everybody else can see through your bull without me mentioning it.
24K_Gold wrote:that's a typical response i would expect to get when reading a writers critiques about someone's favorite player.
When Melo becomes my favorite player even on the Nuggets I will let you know, but show me one place what I said was in error. You disagree with my assessment show why, of course you can not do that as it will only make it more obvious what agenda you have on this board.
24K_Gold wrote:travis heath if you didn't know follows the northwest division and i would say the nuggets and the jazz a little more heavier than the other two teams and just so your aware...he get's more inside/one on one interviews with the team and imperticularly with carmello anthony.travis and melo have a very good relationship(melo invited him,little old travis heath to his home to do his only interview while being suspended.melo made it clear that he wanted to be interview by someone he could trust and wouldn't twist his words up.
I would love to see the interview from Melo, written by Heath that was not written by someone else. Hell I would love to see an actual story about the Nuggets that he does not steal from message boards, other peoples stories, or something he just plain did not make up, maybe something based on fact as opposed to his opinion presented as fact, .
24K_Gold wrote:you should see all of the great stories he's done about melo and the nuggets!for some reason i think he has a more valid opinion than some message board superstar who has an obvious bias towards said basketball player.all the guy said in a nut shell was that if melo plays like he plays for team usa than the nuggets will be just fine...
I have read plenty of heath, in fact some of my postings from another board have actually made it into a couple of his stories, of course he posted them as his own thoughts though. Of course those were almost as good as his supposed inside information/ contact quotes that came directly from that same message board. The fact of the matter is that I could very easily start a free blog, call myself a journalist, claim inside info, put other peoples ideas out as my own, and fools would believe me as well. Or I could do what someone with a little integrity would do, and give the credit where it was due, and present my opinions as opinions instead of trying to act like I know more then I do.
24K_Gold wrote:still not elite contenders as the roster stands but a team that will make the playoffs and could get the monkey off their backs.no harm in that...
Right because like you AI fans try to say it is a team game, at least that is what you say when you are trying to deflect criticism from your boy. But if Melo does everything right it will save the team, what about the rest of the team though? I know it is the popular thing to do these days, blame Karl, Melo, and AI instead of accepting the fact that this team does not fit together, and will not work as currently constructed.
24K_Gold wrote:i did disagree with him on melo's rebounding cause i personally thought that melo was great on the board the 2nd half of the season and will be even better next yr without his center jumping over his back or pushing him and other teammates out of the way to get rebounds(when your great rebounding center has a contract bonus of 2 million dollars for pts,rebs,blks then he'll pad those stats at all cost).
Considering it was an article with the main emphasis on Melo's rebounding and defense (which has been the exact same for the olympic team this year as what he showed on the court for the Nuggets) what was it that made it such a good article? As for Melo being a complete player for team USA, he is also not asked to spend all of his time banging against bigger guys in the paint on offense, or the fact that he has teammates he trusts over there while not many he can trust on the Nuggets. But let's ignore those facts.
24K_Gold wrote:your superior blindness won't allow you to see that iverson is/can be a big piece to the nuggets going forward.
Right because this tem is going to magically turn things around in the next year or two while the owner has losing the most money in the league, the team has no starting PG, and no semblance of a game that fits together. By the time the Nuggets get the pieces together to build a true contender AI may be retired if they do not trade him to get the right pieces in place to rebuild. You say I have a superior blindness, yet even AI fans know that this team is going nowhere and it would be better for all to move on from this mistake while all parties still can.
24K_Gold wrote:sorry if you were mistaken to think the ai trade was going to be the last piece of the puzzle but the sooner you realize that there is more to being a championship team than names and stats the better off you will be.
Wow an AI fan telling me that names and stats mean nothing, imagine that. The biggest stat hog in NBA history happens to be the guy you are defending, and you want to tell me about there being more to winning then that. For some reason I think we both agree on something, but your logic must be faulty if you are going to try to hold AI up as the guy to exemplify that.
AS for the Ai being the final piece, I never said that I expected him to be that piece, but the Nuggets sure expected him to be that piece. In fact if you do a little research I was the most pronounced guy on the internet against the trade, and have never changed my stance, but the team and AI sold this as him being the piece to put us over the top. I have yet to see him help us even get back to the top of the northwest division let alone win more playoffs games. But either way the Nuggets thew all their expendable assets into the trade to make a two year run, while increasing their budget over $30 million with the deal, but I am sure that Kroneke and the Front office knew they would just be the start and they would need to replace their coach, and find even more talent to rebuild the team and continue to increase the 2nd highest payroll. Makes sense I mean who would not do that, trade the starting PG from a division champion on an up and coming team with the idea of having to rebuild the team.
24K_Gold wrote:ai doesn't take away from no one on this team.smith has proved that he should start at sg next to ai being that it's their best offensive and defensive combo in the back court by far. whether you like to believe it or not but melo and iverson get lots of help from each other,just look at how well they both have shot the ball(49%melo,46%iverson)that's due to the attention that both players get while on the floor together.
See that is the exact thing that AI fans do not and have never gotten about me. You all want to argue about the effect on each player, I would like to talk about the effect on the team, and they are not the same. AS for Melo and AI helping each other, AI is getting a huge benefit, while Melo has gotten less of a benefit then he had gotten just by adding an outside shooter and losing a worthless Sg. But I regress, AI has cost the Nugget any kind of flexibility they once had, in the deal he cost them 2 1st round picks, future cap space to add another MLE type player under the tax, and a very good pass 1st Pg. On top of that he has cost them the chance to make certain moves (that I and a few others know about) due to the salary implications and the additional tax. Add to that the loss of Camby for nothing as opposed to taking back a little salary to get young prospects for the former DPOY, and I would say AI has cost this team plenty.
24K_Gold wrote:denver is not a team that has to start all over to contend..with the right moves could be in the
thick of things.i spoke up on ai behalf cause our boy melo needs to step up just as much as iverson does.i don't see how you can critique one and not the other.everybody's a target when you go 5 yrs of 1 and done.
Right moves? What moves? Do you honestly think there are any moves that will put this team over the top this year, as it is currently constructed? Do you honestly think that changing the coach (especially when any sane person knows another decent coach will want nothing to do with this lockerroom) is going to suddenly make AI taller and a better defender or get him to become a pass first piont, I am sure he can get Melo focused on both ends, Keep Nene and kMart healthy throughout the year, keep Jr maturing and playing solid ball, and turn Atkins into Andre Miller with better jumpshot and defense? Or wait is your thoughts that a new coach can get AI to play point (which is something he has never been able to do on a successful team) like a better version of Isiah thomas, Melo can become a better rebounding Michael Jordan, and Nene will stay healthy while becoming the next Wilt Chamberlain? Yep I am sure that team wins a few playoffs games.
Of course there is also always reality, which is that Karl will continue to be the coach for at least the next year, we have two career backup PGs as our only points, AI is an undersized SG who hurts his team defensively and loves to pound the ball, Melo cannot focus on the defensive end for more then 10 minute stretches when he is not defending a superstar, one of Nene or Kmart will probably miss most of the season (just like the last 3 years), Hunter is a decent backup center, our other backup bigs consist of a guy who just got back from a 2 year drug suspension, and one of our three SFs, Jr is going to make mistakes while he continues to mature, Kleiza will still not be big enough to start at PF or fast enough to play too much as SG, and the Nuggets do not have the money or movable pieces to do anything about it without trading either Melo or AI. But I like the Jordan, Thomas, Chamberlain idea better if I do say so myself.
Goes to show the pettiness that goes on in these forums. I feel sorry for myself for even taking part of it. I find it funny that some of you will stick up for everyother player on the Nuggets BUT Iverson (which is probably why a lot of fans from other teams comes on here sticking up for him), yet will go out your way to talk and argue about everyone that is supposidly better then him. Its sort of sad to see. I can only hope that the fans online are only 1% of who Nuggets fans truely are, and can only hope that he goes back to playing for fans that appreciate what he has to bring to the table (also go back to a bigger market)..flaws and all. Because this mess is pathetic. Its one thing to give constructive critisim, its another to just blindly bash a player (im not sure what part of that people don't get). Nobody says you have to kiss these players @ss..but my god show a little respect, oh yeah you folks do, to other players on the team besides him. Go figure. Mark this thread as P*O*I*N*T*L*E*S*S.
