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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#41 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:04 am

b-melo wrote:Lack of offense and bench cost us the game

Far as Melo... man his driving game has decreased soo much in the past year or so. He misses layups, he loses the ball in the post, he get his shot blocked constantly... I understand getting fouled, but so do Bron and he still make them

I dont understand what's going on. Thats what keeping him from scoring 25-30 each night

Is Karl still trying to coach Melo?

Seems with AI here, Melo's driving game went down hill. Now whenever he is in the paint, he is trying to follow in AI's lead and get the foul, instead of focusing on scoring. He needs to realize the Refs for whatever reason aren't going to treat him like Wade or Lebron. So to cut that crap out go in strong.. oh wait.. going in strong results in an offensive foul. He needs to uhh.. shoot jumpers.. I guess. :lol:

But seriously, fire Karl. Get in a coach who will get back to coaching. Get this team moving and working on offense. This team could be really great right now if Karl allowed to continue his do nothing, excuses for everything ways.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#42 » by Da_James_Gang » Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:11 am

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b-melo wrote:Lack of offense and bench cost us the game

Far as Melo... man his driving game has decreased soo much in the past year or so. He misses layups, he loses the ball in the post, he get his shot blocked constantly... I understand getting fouled, but so do Bron and he still make them

I dont understand what's going on. Thats what keeping him from scoring 25-30 each night

Is Karl still trying to coach Melo?

Seems with AI here, Melo's driving game went down hill. Now whenever he is in the paint, he is trying to follow in AI's lead and get the foul, instead of focusing on scoring. He needs to realize the Refs for whatever reason aren't going to treat him like Wade or Lebron. So to cut that crap out go in strong.. oh wait.. going in strong results in an offensive foul. He needs to uhh.. shoot jumpers.. I guess. :lol:

But seriously, fire Karl. Get in a coach who will get back to coaching. Get this team moving and working on offense. This team could be really great right now if Karl allowed to continue his do nothing, excuses for everything ways.


I would just like to point out that Melo shot 8 free throws tonight, to Lebrons 4. Maybe he should focus on being more aggressive offensively period, he only had 12 shot attempts.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#43 » by legendarywalton » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:29 am

I wasn't able to see the whole game, but it looked like we tried to play one of our old fashioned run n' gun games. We've been able to beat the Cavs like that in the past, so I'm guessing that tempo was the emphasis tonight. The problem with that philosophy is that it creates bad habits, because we get away from our new "defensive" identity.

6 TOs by 'Melo? Sounds like he got over hyped for the game... he tries too hard to show that he belongs in the conversation of top 5-7 players, especially when it's in the national spotlight. He needs to focus on getting easy baskets and playing defense. The few times I saw him with the ball he was consistently playing the 1v1 game on the wings. That's not how you show improvement.

Oh well, time for a drubbing by the Celts. No one get too down on the team, it's a long way to go and we shouldn't win either of these games. If we pull one out, consider it a bonus.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#44 » by eathy » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:48 am

i hate this team.

just **** win.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#45 » by ambiglight » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:52 am

they looked like they gassed out at the end.

some of the individual decision-making leaves a lot to be desired.

itll be interesting to see how they play some of the better teams.

cause they look less erratic but still look middle of the road either way.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#46 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:47 am

Da_James_Gang wrote:I would just like to point out that Melo shot 8 free throws tonight, to Lebrons 4. Maybe he should focus on being more aggressive offensively period, he only had 12 shot attempts.

Sorry, but comparing FT attempts is totally silly. It doesn't take in to account how the game was actually played. One playing can have more FT's and still have been raped by the Refs.

Would have been nice for Melo to have had more shots, but eh.. this team is coached by a moron.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#47 » by PeTBuLL » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:40 pm

Well i just dont understand the lack of energie on the both ends, Nene had 2 wake games, no post movies, jacking up with his non abilities to shoot, didnt demanda the ball...

Melo, again, trying to solve the problem by himself...

Well, overall its just loss, Cleveland is great team and Lebron is real deal!
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#48 » by MHZ » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:50 pm

I have to say it was tough to watch that. It's like a completely different team showed up in the second half. Melo wasn't sharp at all - way too many turnovers.

I'm beginning to really hate Kenyon Martin offensively. He doesn't try to fit into the offense at all, he just decides at some point he's going to try to score, and too often it's a poor attempt at a jumper or a running hook or something. Very similar to the way Camby used to kill our offensive flow. It's especially frustrating when he hasn't played in a week or so, and clearly isn't sharp at all, but that doesn't phase him. As for the ejection, what are you gonna do? If that was LeBron/Duncan/Wade, Joey Crawford would have been kicked out of the league by now, but because it's K-Mart or Rasheed Wallace or something, I'm sure he'll get a raise and a promotion.

I think it's ridiculous to try to put this on the refs. Were there some crappy calls, sure, but nothing that was at all impactful of the final result. I'd give my left nut to never see Anthony Carter on the court again. Our defensive specialist got burned time and time against by Daniel Gibson. JR Smith did that fine, and at least he can help offensively.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#49 » by carlos1223 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:51 pm

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b-melo wrote:Lack of offense and bench cost us the game

Far as Melo... man his driving game has decreased soo much in the past year or so. He misses layups, he loses the ball in the post, he get his shot blocked constantly... I understand getting fouled, but so do Bron and he still make them

I dont understand what's going on. Thats what keeping him from scoring 25-30 each night

Is Karl still trying to coach Melo?

Seems with AI here, Melo's driving game went down hill. Now whenever he is in the paint, he is trying to follow in AI's lead and get the foul, instead of focusing on scoring. He needs to realize the Refs for whatever reason aren't going to treat him like Wade or Lebron. So to cut that crap out go in strong.. oh wait.. going in strong results in an offensive foul. He needs to uhh.. shoot jumpers.. I guess. :lol:

But seriously, fire Karl. Get in a coach who will get back to coaching. Get this team moving and working on offense. This team could be really great right now if Karl allowed to continue his do nothing, excuses for everything ways.



Wow...looks like Nuggs fans still find ways to blame their teams failures EVEN when AI is gone :lol:
WOW. Just WOW.
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Post#50 » by The Rebel » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:32 pm

MHizzle wrote:I have to say it was tough to watch that. It's like a completely different team showed up in the second half. Melo wasn't sharp at all - way too many turnovers.


Melo seems to be pressing this year, and his game is not as good when he does that. He needs to relax and let the game come to him a little more, when he played that way he was one of the top players in the league.

The one thing that I thought was a little funny last night is that TNT kept killing Melo for his defense, yet once Melo was placed on Lebron in the 2nd half Lebron was not nearly as effective.
MHizzle wrote:I'm beginning to really hate Kenyon Martin offensively. He doesn't try to fit into the offense at all, he just decides at some point he's going to try to score, and too often it's a poor attempt at a jumper or a running hook or something. Very similar to the way Camby used to kill our offensive flow. It's especially frustrating when he hasn't played in a week or so, and clearly isn't sharp at all, but that doesn't phase him.

I noticed this last week with Kmart, I don't know when it really started with him but it is annoying as hell.
MHizzle wrote:As for the ejection, what are you gonna do? If that was LeBron/Duncan/Wade, Joey Crawford would have been kicked out of the league by now, but because it's K-Mart or Rasheed Wallace or something, I'm sure he'll get a raise and a promotion.

Agreed, this star treatment around the league is getting old.

MHizzle wrote:I think it's ridiculous to try to put this on the refs. Were there some crappy calls, sure, but nothing that was at all impactful of the final result. I'd give my left nut to never see Anthony Carter on the court again. Our defensive specialist got burned time and time against by Daniel Gibson. JR Smith did that fine, and at least he can help offensively.


I am so tired of these supposed defensive specialists getting burned, while Karl plays them constantly because they play his way. It should be embarrassing for the front office that they went out and got a top 5 Pg to solve the issue of our starting Pg being a 3rd stringer, yet Karl then decides to play a d-leaguer at Sg, as opposed to a guy who has shown the potential to be an all star. If Karl wants to start a real defensive specialist, then why not start Balkman, he is the better defender and neither one of them can shoot.

Other then that I would love to know what it will take for Nene to actually get the ball in the post 12-14 times a game.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#51 » by MHZ » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:44 pm

A buddy of mine was telling me he sat near Stan Kroenke at the game the other day, and that he openly cheers for Anthony Carter, but is completely expressionless otherwise. BIZARRE.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#52 » by MHZ » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:50 pm

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b-melo wrote:Lack of offense and bench cost us the game

Far as Melo... man his driving game has decreased soo much in the past year or so. He misses layups, he loses the ball in the post, he get his shot blocked constantly... I understand getting fouled, but so do Bron and he still make them

I dont understand what's going on. Thats what keeping him from scoring 25-30 each night

Is Karl still trying to coach Melo?

Seems with AI here, Melo's driving game went down hill. Now whenever he is in the paint, he is trying to follow in AI's lead and get the foul, instead of focusing on scoring. He needs to realize the Refs for whatever reason aren't going to treat him like Wade or Lebron. So to cut that crap out go in strong.. oh wait.. going in strong results in an offensive foul. He needs to uhh.. shoot jumpers.. I guess. :lol:

But seriously, fire Karl. Get in a coach who will get back to coaching. Get this team moving and working on offense. This team could be really great right now if Karl allowed to continue his do nothing, excuses for everything ways.



Wow...looks like Nuggs fans still find ways to blame their teams failures EVEN when AI is gone :lol:
WOW. Just WOW.


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Post#53 » by The Rebel » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:08 pm

MHizzle wrote:A buddy of mine was telling me he sat near Stan Kroenke at the game the other day, and that he openly cheers for Anthony Carter, but is completely expressionless otherwise. BIZARRE.


Why wouldn't he cheer for AC, lately he seems to be the only player playing up to his paycheck. I have never been one for the Ac hate, I believe he is a 3rd string PG, and he gets paid like one, it is not his fault that Karl treats him as a starting quality guard. I think this Karl is the major problem with our backcourt, let Ac play 12 minutes a night backing up Billups and he is fine for what we need, play him 20 and he is a liability while on the court with another PG. Let Jones come in off the bench and get under the quicker guards skin when we are having trouble defending them, not start him on Lebron when he does not have the size or strength to even really bother him outside of cheapshots. This team should have a rotation of JR and Billups starting and getting 35+ minutes a night, with Jones and Ac getting 12 minutes at max a night. We do that and we win more games, then trying the one defensive player in the backcourt that brings nothing else gimmick that Karl has loved so much since he arrived.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#54 » by el loco » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:12 pm

MHizzle wrote:A buddy of mine was telling me he sat near Stan Kroenke at the game the other day, and that he openly cheers for Anthony Carter, but is completely expressionless otherwise. BIZARRE.


Did your friend have a few prior to making his/her observation?
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#55 » by MHZ » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:30 pm

Not at all. He said SK is extremely reserved, doesn't say anything out loud at all, except for "Attaboy, AC" and such.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#56 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:04 pm

carlos1223 wrote:
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b-melo wrote:Lack of offense and bench cost us the game

Far as Melo... man his driving game has decreased soo much in the past year or so. He misses layups, he loses the ball in the post, he get his shot blocked constantly... I understand getting fouled, but so do Bron and he still make them

I dont understand what's going on. Thats what keeping him from scoring 25-30 each night

Is Karl still trying to coach Melo?

Seems with AI here, Melo's driving game went down hill. Now whenever he is in the paint, he is trying to follow in AI's lead and get the foul, instead of focusing on scoring. He needs to realize the Refs for whatever reason aren't going to treat him like Wade or Lebron. So to cut that crap out go in strong.. oh wait.. going in strong results in an offensive foul. He needs to uhh.. shoot jumpers.. I guess. :lol:

But seriously, fire Karl. Get in a coach who will get back to coaching. Get this team moving and working on offense. This team could be really great right now if Karl allowed to continue his do nothing, excuses for everything ways.



Wow...looks like Nuggs fans still find ways to blame their teams failures EVEN when AI is gone :lol:
WOW. Just WOW.

Wow, haven't you AI fans left yet? And don't be a bloody moron. Learn to read. I did not blame any failures on AI. I was commenting it seemed like Melo tries to play like AI, by getting to the foul line. For Melo this doesn't work. That is a failure on Melo's part.

Not blaming a thing on AI. So stop being so overly sensitive whenever your man crushes' name comes up.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#57 » by el loco » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:11 pm

MHizzle wrote:Not at all. He said SK is extremely reserved, doesn't say anything out loud at all, except for "Attaboy, AC" and such.


It sounds like Stan might have himself a soft spot for the under dog. It is still kinda sorta odd if you ask me, and yes Rebel gave a good explanation as to why it isn't so weird, but of all the players on this team a guy could give an attaboy to, Carter wouldn't have been on the top of my list.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#58 » by SnakefromHell » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:22 am

It seems everything they threw up in the first quarter went in... but Billups was hot in the first to keep us in the game. Then in the second quarter, Cavs went a bit cold.

They're a very good defensive team... but I thought we lost because we just didn't play D in this one... a major letdown because we've been pretty good in the season. Z knocking down open shots like 4 straight possessions, then Gibson took his turn, and then Mo Will.

Have to play better D, and I hate the whole Cavs squad not named LeBron... especially that flopper Varejao... what a HOF flopper. He should be penalized for flopping on Nene in the third quarter.
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#59 » by b-lawson » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:25 am

carlos1223 wrote:
Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
b-melo wrote:Lack of offense and bench cost us the game

Far as Melo... man his driving game has decreased soo much in the past year or so. He misses layups, he loses the ball in the post, he get his shot blocked constantly... I understand getting fouled, but so do Bron and he still make them

I dont understand what's going on. Thats what keeping him from scoring 25-30 each night

Is Karl still trying to coach Melo?

Seems with AI here, Melo's driving game went down hill. Now whenever he is in the paint, he is trying to follow in AI's lead and get the foul, instead of focusing on scoring. He needs to realize the Refs for whatever reason aren't going to treat him like Wade or Lebron. So to cut that crap out go in strong.. oh wait.. going in strong results in an offensive foul. He needs to uhh.. shoot jumpers.. I guess. :lol:

But seriously, fire Karl. Get in a coach who will get back to coaching. Get this team moving and working on offense. This team could be really great right now if Karl allowed to continue his do nothing, excuses for everything ways.



Wow...looks like Nuggs fans still find ways to blame their teams failures EVEN when AI is gone :lol:
WOW. Just WOW.


Not a Nuggs fan, get the f*ck off the board lame
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Re: Denver @ Cleveland : Game 8 

Post#60 » by corona » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:02 am

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