Dealing Chucky

[JRS-One]

It's like talking Shakespeare to a tree.

[berserker]

Problem solved.

Chucker for Ike Diogu, straight up.

[corona]

i don't think you guys understand the situation.

first off chucky doesn't have any value. a 3.4 expiring isn't much, and we don't want to take back money if the player's not going to have an impact...and we're not going to get a good player for atkins 3.4 million - anyone that is a good player at 3.4 million isn't going to be traded by their team for an expiring contract....would you trade LK or JR for an expiring? chucky's been injured, he hasn't shown much since coming back, he wasn't that good to start off with.

being 1 million over the luxury tax means kroenke has to pay 1 million to the league at the end of the season. that's 1 million out. if you're over the luxury tax, you don't get the share of the pot from all the other teams that are over the luxury tax (about 10 teams right now) - that's typically 3-4 million per team that's paid back by the league for not being over the luxury tax. let's say that 3.5 million kroenke loses. now add in atkins contract....3.4 million. that's 7.9 million in savings if we trade atkins for a TPE.

now consider we have a 10 million dollar TPE we can use from now until next november, we'd also a TPE from the atkins trade (3.4 million), and a TPE from the iverson/billups trade (another 3 million? i forget)

you think if kroenke saves 8 million this season on chucky-flipping-atkins, he'll be more likely to pony up 8-10 million next season when a very good player comes on the market and is available for our TPE. a player that takes us from a second tier team to a finals teams. whatever we get for atkins won't make that difference, so its best to cut our loses and save the money. i think he'd be more likely to spend later if he saved now.

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i'd do atkins, hunter & a 1st for cook & their TPE
i'd do atkins for their TPE. might throw in a second rounder too.

[berserker]

Understanding your point, Corona........

I think we already HAVE the nucleus.....we just need a few extra pieces. I like Diogu's game, and I think that we could convince Portland to part with him, given their dearth of bigs. he doesn't get much tick, but he's a solid backup with a nice shooting touch.

Hell, I'd even throw a 2nd into that deal.........git r dun

[pickaxe]

hey, the sit. has been illuminated, it makes much more sense to go for a TPE that is bigger going into next season

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _to_magic/

plus, no hard feelings

[sportsmikegm23]

1st off... if they trade their TPE (Orlando's) doesn't it expire??? didn't think you could transfer it???

While I know your points are all valid, my issue is that if we are 2nd or 3rd overall in the conference in Feb... and playing well... how are you going to tell that locker room, you are going to wait until next year? There are so many other variables and things that can and might happen. If we are 6th or worse...yes, by all means, sit on everything and play it all out and maybe we can get a difference maker next year.

The Chucky thing, I just figure we are going to have to give up a 2nd, but probably a 1st... and I don't want to give up a 1st rounder for this... I won't be too happy with a 2nd, but I could stomach that. Chucky has been injured and not done a damn thing here...but if healthy he might be a better option that AC... I just don't think it's smart to wear down Chauncey. AC hasn't been playing very well or that many minutes of late... fortunately the last 3 games have been blowouts so Chauncey hasn't gotten over extended minutes, but it's something to watch for.

[pickaxe]

Well, all of this is only valid if they meant to deal Chucky anyway, which is what it sounded like recently.

[corona]

when denver trades a player for a TPE, it creates a new TPE for denver t hat expires a year from the date the trade was made.

you don't have to tell the lockerroom anything. the FO just traded a 10 million/year player and the team got better, now you trade a 3.4 million player who doesn't play at all? you really think they thing he was worth a pierce to get them over the top? no. if trading chucky atkins messes with the heads/chemistry of the team, they're not mentally tough enough to win a title anyway.

if they're 2nd in february, and someone comes on the market for a large TPE that denver needs...its certainly possible they trade up and go for it. next year seems more realistic though, because the lakers should probably lose one of their players (they're going to be really hard to beat this year regardless of who we have) and there's a lot more players available in the range we need....as well as a lot of teams more willing to give them up for cheap in a last ditch attempt to get under the cap to sign bron/wade/bosh/stoudemire...etc. also, if someone in the ~8 million range does come on the market at the deadline this year....you think kroenke's more willing to go 11 million dollars over the luxury tax threshold...or 5 million over?

bottomline....it's chucky atkins. his value sucks. we won't get anything for him. its best to get the savings if we can. don't stress about it.

[el loco]

^^^^ The 10 million TPE that was regenerated to next November is only 9.7 million now or something like that, so if looking at BYC players from this season that this thing can/will supposedly be used on. You have to look at guys making 9.7 or less, which probably narrows the field quite a bit. I haven't looked into it just yet to be honest about it.

It takes us out of the running for guys like Hinrich who make 10 million per.

[corona]

hinrich's deal diminishes every season. he'll make 9.5 million next season. as much as karl loves a 2 pg backcourt, i don't think he puts us over the top though.

i think with this TPE the 15% rule still applies? that means a guy like okafur could be available to us.

[JRS-One]

I was wondering the same thing awhile ago, but I think I read that the rule doesn't apply to TPEs and that the contract coming back can't exceed the value of the TPE.

[corona]

oh.

[el loco]

^^^ I was just using Hinrich as an example, we need another big body more then we need another guard. I didn't know that the 15% rule applied to trade exceptions. Actually, I didn't think it did, so if you are sure about that then that is good news.