J.R. Suspended?

[pickaxe]

I have not for one minute not seen JR trying. Someone's not coaching him. Just because you keep failing doesn't mean you're not trying.

I hold more disdain for Karl's lack of effort to get JR involved in a way he can handle. JR obviously has off the chart talent but has a hard time with certain situations. That is only cured with experience and mentoring.

Get your head out of your ass Karl.

[SnakefromHell]

^In the 2006-2007 season, I would say Karl was an ass... but now it's solely on J.R.

This season, almost all 41 games of them, J.R. showed terrible body language, one that is very similar to Melo in his early years when he was labeled lazy. The level of energy is just not there... it looks like someone who just woke up from bed and straight played hoop. Worse, it looks like J.R. is not putting any effort to up his energy level... it's like he's intentionally doing that.

When you play with low energy, the first person affected is yourself... you think you're focused, but you're not. You think you can drain the shots in your sleep but they keep clanking. It's like someone who is so good at cycling and now he's taking it easy and thinking he can do it in his sleep, but his underestimating of things are what cause him to forget to do the basics he usually does and he ends up in an accident. J.R. is underestimating and brushing off the subtle basics and habits in the game thinking they're just "subtle" and "unimportant", thinking he can get by them, when they play crucial reasons to consistency in performance. That's what's happening to J.R. right now.

[Teens On Acid]

anyone think that JR's slump has something to do with how well AA is playing?
if we could package JR and either Kenyon, nene or a package of Carter Balk and Allen in return for a similar SG to AA and a big body with height i'd be all for it, but only if the mentality for winning no matter what your spot on the bench is comes with it.

[eathy]

I wouldn't want an SG similar to AA in return.

If we're going to trade JR for a big, then we need a scoring SG in return.

Not an AA who can't create his own type shot.

[SnakefromHell]

I think it's safe to say AA has played himself into the fixture starting SG for rest of season, guys.

His three pt shooting, his defense, he is becoming a next guard version of Bruce Bowen.

Plus, although he struggles guarding small guards like Chris Paul/ Deron Williams, or bigger small forwards, I absolutely love his defense on Kobe in that Laker game. He will have more nights where he contributes big defensively and three pt shooting than the off nights. And on off nights, his defense is still above average than most guys in the L.


If we were to trade J.R. though, remember we would have to bring back some scoring as well as playmaking and passing which J.R. excels at.

[Teens On Acid]

i'm not sure we need a SG to create his own shot, especially when Ty is running.
playmaking and passing definitely. a hard nose defender who can knock down an open jumper would be perfect. for the system Karl seems to be running, we don't need our SG's to be scoring machines. it would help of course, but if defense first is the mantra, then all we need are defensive minded sg's able to finish or knock down an open j. let Billups and Ty look after creating the shots.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

Since when JR started alongside Melo last year in the playoff?
The only season he started more than 20 games in a season is 06/07
Last season is arguably his best season in Nuggets,and his role is the same as last season
How come it's all Karl's fault?

He just regresses,plain and simple

You're correct, he didn't start last year, but he played well when he did start and he is a much better than he was then. Karl should have given him a chance to see what he could do in the starting line up this year. I have not said it was all Karl's fault though.

But Karl has definitely failed as a coach with JR. When JR was in jail over the summer, it was reported some of the players visited him, but Karl did nothing. No visits or calls (shows Karl doesn't care). It was reported last year Karl won't even talk to him, though an article says Karl use to try to talk to him but JR wouldn't listen. It doesn't say when that happened. If it was when Karl was starting AC over JR, heck.. I can understand why he wouldn't listen. Karl is the type of stubborn guy who would then continue to not talk to him when JR was ready too. But whose to know for sure how it went down? There are always two sides to a story.

A great point was mentioned, AA has been playing well. JR must see that and he knows his coach will look for anything reason to not play him, because that coach hates him. That would have JR pressing and playing tighter, which would hurt his shooting percentage.

This isn't to say JR isn't at fault too. JR does make stupid plays and he is an emotional person. Karl's supposedly good at managing egos and personalities. He has failed to manage JR properly. So I think it would be best for the Nuggets to trade him unless they plan to let Karl walk at the end of the season.

Only trade that really would make me happy is one that brings back a big and a combo SG who can fill in as the third PG and create his own shot. An outside shot would be nice too.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

Although going against what I just said.. I'd be happy with a trade centering around JR for Battier/Landry or Hayes. That would definitely put the Nuggets ahead of LA, I think.

[pickaxe]

^In the 2006-2007 season, I would say Karl was an ass... but now it's solely on J.R.

This season, almost all 41 games of them, J.R. showed terrible body language, one that is very similar to Melo in his early years when he was labeled lazy. The level of energy is just not there... it looks like someone who just woke up from bed and straight played hoop. Worse, it looks like J.R. is not putting any effort to up his energy level... it's like he's intentionally doing that.

When you play with low energy, the first person affected is yourself... you think you're focused, but you're not. You think you can drain the shots in your sleep but they keep clanking. It's like someone who is so good at cycling and now he's taking it easy and thinking he can do it in his sleep, but his underestimating of things are what cause him to forget to do the basics he usually does and he ends up in an accident. J.R. is underestimating and brushing off the subtle basics and habits in the game thinking they're just "subtle" and "unimportant", thinking he can get by them, when they play crucial reasons to consistency in performance. That's what's happening to J.R. right now.

Knowing JR is a bit "eclectic" I interpret it as a guy who's shooting was off the charts last season and he is in a dreamland about it happening instantly any moment...he's stunned himself, he's confused himself - and that's the look on his face, a confused and stunned player. It is a hard work issue. JR needs to know to get back to that level of play he has to go through a process.

Karl does know this and has expressed it, but I haven't seen the effort for this process to get underway from either of the two.

JR looked sleepy when he was hitting over 40% from long range last season. That's his look.

We all get on Melo for smiling too much at the wrong time sometimes. Now JR is bashed for sulking. Yeah he's a little sad JR fantasyland is gone away - I think JR needs a little strength from those surrounding him and encouragement to do those things which he can handle and which will bring him a little happiness and the team success.

I still think JR was too great a find for so little $ that we have to at least respect the fact that we are getting a huge boost. It's also very lucky for JR himself to have landed on such a team. Both sides have to respect that and at least put in the follow up work. I don't think they've worked hard enough on that issue. Chances? What are chances, you get 50 more every game, if you on the wrong track you waste 50 more chances every game.....set him up for success not failure.

[elbowthrower]

I still think JR was too great a find for so little $ that we have to at least respect the fact that we are getting a huge boost. It's also very lucky for JR himself to have landed on such a team.

Every time I hear how JR's been so badly mistreated by Karl I think of your second point. Because more often than not, players like him end up riding the pine on crappy teams or playing in places like Israel.

And as for your second point, I don't want to trade him either. I don't think anybody does, including Karl. Everyone just wants him to play well. I guess that's one thing that Karl, JR, the FO and the fans all have in common.

[corona]

never been a better time to trade JR than now.

yep.

he's in the midst of a huge shooting slump, and there's been big rumors about how the front office was going to suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team.

think of the value we'd get in return! this is perfect timing for a trade.

let Billups and Ty look after creating the shots.

two pg lineups do not work. you can bank on it (and AC) if jr's traded for a big or a mediocre sg.

[Teens On Acid]

never been a better time to trade JR than now.

yep.

he's in the midst of a huge shooting slump, and there's been big rumors about how the front office was going to suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team.

think of the value we'd get in return! this is perfect timing for a trade.

let Billups and Ty look after creating the shots.

two pg lineups do not work. you can bank on it (and AC) if jr's traded for a big or a mediocre sg.

i think JR would be more productive on a team that needs him to start, which is what we're not asking from him. i would love for him to settle back into his 6th man role, but with the emergence of AA it just doesn't seem likely.

i didn't say run with a 2 pg lineup, i said with those guys creating plays we wouldn't necessarily NEED a SG who can create his own shot. defense and knocking down open jumpers is more important IMO because we have guys to create opportunities already.