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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#41 » by The Rebel » Sun May 16, 2010 2:08 pm

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eathy wrote:It actually started in the opening post when someone said that Bosh was a better leader and player than Melo which isn't true at all.

And I dont buy into that he's a good leader crap. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Bosh to come here and play alongisde Melo but I doubt he'd be one of the captains here.

But getting back on topic I would not trade Nene and JR for Bosh unless there is another deal incoming to get a post player in return. I think that if we were to have any chance of getting Bosh for KMart + JR, we'd need to also take one of Calderon and Hedo's contracts (probably Hedo's).


I'm not saying Bosh is a better leader than Melo. They're honestly equal, although Bosh hasn't had the off-court problems that Melo has, so maybe he has that going for him in the leadership department. He has been a class act for his 7 years here and has not been any kind of distraction.


Say what you will about off the court issues, most of which were completely overblown in Melo's case. I mean it is not like he fathered a child and then told his babies momma and child to get lost, leaving them to live in the ghetto without any kind of child support. Of course he has thrown his teammates under the bus one time, when the did not show up in the playoffs, but then Bosh has done that a few times during the regular season, and was not Bosh just sued for child support for his child that he refuses to pay for or see? I mean getting served for a lawsuit and having a custody fight during the season is not causing a distraction in the least bit, right?

Give me the guy who is the key player on a team players reputation improves after joining the team, I don't have to listen to the star constantly whine about his teammates, where the team continues to make the playoffs, and without a key cancer issue as well as injury issues they would be contenders.
Lionel Messi wrote:As players, all 4 of Melo/Bosh/Dirk/Deron are equal IMO, with Nash also maybe being there.

PS - My top 10 list:
LeBron
Kobe
Dwight
Wade
Durant
Paul
Dirk/Melo/Bosh/Nash/Deron

There's the top 5, and then the bottom 5 are all pretty equal as players. That's my opinion, no one has to agree.


Top 5 or 10 lists are subjective, just understand that I think you are totally off, and most non biased observers also believe you are way off base just trying to put Bosh on the same level as Melo.
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#42 » by The Rebel » Sun May 16, 2010 2:14 pm

token wrote:FIRST OF BOSH IS THE BEST PF IN THE NBA, better than paul,amare,and dirk..what makes those pf seem better is because they play with allstars. p.gasol/kobe amare/nash dirk/kidd/butler. BOSH PUTS UP 24-11 AND WOULD OF MADE THE PLAYOFF IF HE HAD NOT GOT INJURED. reason why the raptors are SO **** IS BECAUSE THEY GOT EURO FU@CKIN PLAYERS WHO DON'T PLAY DEFENSE.. THEY DRAFTED A BIG MAN (BARGNANI) WHO GETS 4REBS A GAME, A POINT GUARD (JOSE CALDERON) WHO GETS BURNED EVERY DEFENSIVE POSSESION AND A SMALL FORWARD (HEDO) 6FEET 10 GETS 4REBS 11POINTS AND RATHER GO OUT CLUBBING AND LIEING. IF BOSH PLAYED WITH KOBE,NASH HE WOULD OF WON A CHAMPIONSHIP


Screaming just makes you look foolish, and stats mean nothing, considering guys like ZBo put up 24 and 10+ rebounds and Marion who Raptor fans love to trash put up 22 and 12 on better efficiency then Bosh.

As for bitching about teammates that Bosh has, why is it he cannot make them better? Melo sure seems to help his, but players go to the Raptors to have their reps trashed.

Of course if most players played with Kobe and Nash they would win a championship. Hell the Lakers only need Kobe and the did pretty good the last couple of years.
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#43 » by token » Mon May 17, 2010 2:10 am

How does melo make his team better when he has an alstar on his team in billups, to really be good team you have to have depth and more than one alstar. Wade barley did and bosh would have done it if he didn’t get injured. Yea the lakers did good lol, first round exist with what less than 50wins.
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#44 » by SuigintouEV » Mon May 17, 2010 3:56 am

U guys shud sign and trade carmelo for lebron.
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#45 » by The Rebel » Mon May 17, 2010 4:39 am

token wrote:How does melo make his team better when he has an alstar on his team in billups, to really be good team you have to have depth and more than one alstar. Wade barley did and bosh would have done it if he didn’t get injured. Yea the lakers did good lol, first round exist with what less than 50wins.

How does Melo make his team better? I am guessing you are talking teammates, however just in case let me point out that Melo has always lead his team to a winning record and the playoffs regardless of teammates, despite joining the worst team in the league when he was drafted. It is an accomplishment when your team can have 250 games lost to injuries, and play 2-5 guys in the rotation that should be in Europe, you may lose in the playoffs, but teams dealing with that kind of crap accomplish a great deal making the playoffs. Being a fan of a team like Toronto where they struggle to even remember what the playoffs are, I would think you would view a trip there as something worthwhile.

Now if you are talking about actual teammates, I have a list of those.

Let's look at some of Melo's current and past teammates.

Billups was seen as pretty much done, and dumped to the Nuggets in a salary dump, only to have a career resurection.

Aaron Afflalo was traded for a future 2nd round pick, and now many on the trade board would not hesitate to give up picks or other prospects for him.

JR. Smith was forced into a trade from the Hornets to the Bulls, where they never even talked to him, but sent him to Denver for 2 2nd rounders after shopping him for over a week. He has finished top 5 in 6th man of the year voting in each of the last two years.

Chris Andersen could not even get a guaranteed deal after he came back from his drug suspension to look like crap with the Hornets. After a season in Denver he turned down bigger deals to sign a $21 million dollar deal with the team.

Dahntay Jones was out of the league when the Nuggets called him, he left last offseason for a nice long deal considering he is about a 10th man on his current team.

AI was sent to Denver with the 76ers thinking he was totally done, he put up near career numbers while in Denver, only to be traded 4 months later and be out of the league within the year.

Anthony carter was out of the league prior to catching on with Denver after they traded their PGs, prior to his major mistakes in the western conference finals against the Lakers last year he was suddenly thought a top backup pg.

Steve Blake was on a $1.25 million dollar contract when he was salary dumped just months before he expired. Fact is that most thought he was on his way out of the league, and Bucks fans celebrated when they dumped him. After just 49 games in Denver he earned an almost MLE deal that the Blazers had hated until they finally dumped him this year.

Earl Boykins was in and out of the league prior to joining the Nuggets, While with the Nuggets he was in the top 5 of 6th man of the year voting, once he was dumped so that the Nuggets could get under the luxury tax, he went right back to being in and out of the league.

Eddie Najera was traded to Denver along with a prospect and a 1st rounder for expiring contracts. After 3 and a half years he left the Nuggets to sign with the Nets, where the only time he has been heard from since was when they salary dumped him to the Mavs, and he commited a flagrant 1 in his few minutes he has been allowed to play since.

Greg Buckner was cut by the 76ers despite a guaranteed deal and was out of the league, when the Nuggets signed him. after 2 years with the Nuggets he signed a nice long contract, only to be salary dumped, not once, hell not even twice, but three times since he left the Nuggets. With his last team being the Mavericks, who have cut him again.

Francisco Elson was a backup Center for the Nuggets, when he left the Nuggets it was to go to the Spurs where he was penciled in as the starter, less then a year and half later he was salary dumped. He was also salary dumped a 2nd time after that, and finally expired, allowing him to sign a couple of minimum deals since then.

Marcus Camby was the salary filler on an injured Mcdyess for the 8th pick trade. Not only did he revive his career, but he won a DPOY award while playing with the Nuggets.

The two things in common with all these guys is they all went to the playoffs as members as the Nuggets, and they all played with Melo. The only guy who has been here as long as Melo is Nene, and he missed most of 2 seasons with injuries. Yet despite having 3 seasons in a row where they lost a starter in the 1st week, through over 110 teammates, seasons where their head coach was battling cancer, seasons with over 250 games missed due to injuries, Melo and the Nuggets have made the playoffs. The names here prove that players come to Denver to rehab their career, and get another deal. I have asked plenty of times for someone to provide me a list of guys made better by all the supposed great players in the league, that are said to make players better. Kobe and the Lakers can do it. D Wade and the Heat have not had anyone leave with a better rep then they arrived with since Shaq left. Lebron? Bosh?

By the way some of you are complaining that the Raptors need a starting SG, I hear Buckner and Demarr Johnson both need jobs. Fact is they were the entire SG rotation for the Nuggets for a couple of years from 04-06.
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#46 » by eathy » Mon May 17, 2010 6:41 am

SuigintouEV wrote:U guys shud sign and trade carmelo for lebron.


Would be nice... but I doubt LeBron would do that to Melo.
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Post#47 » by wang000hk » Mon May 17, 2010 11:05 am

Rebel,don't forget Wesley Person,Byron Russell,Rodney White,Ruben Patterson,Julius Hodge,Yakhouba Diawara
lol All those scrubs are not any better than the bad SGs in Toronto
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#48 » by Lionel Messi » Mon May 17, 2010 10:46 pm

I'd rather not argue with you because you probably didn't watch more than 2 Raptors games this year and you're completely uninformed in some of the statements you're making. For example, Bosh's baby momma situation. He wanted that baby, he got his GF some kind of fertilizer to help her get pregnant and bought a big house for them to live in. Obviously something happened and he decided that they should break up.
I never said Melo's off-court incidents weren't overblown, because they were, but they were still distractions. Bosh's "situation" was never a distraction and was in the news for like 3 days until everyone figured out that she was just trying to juice him for as much money as she could.
Calderon actually lost his starting spot and only regained it when the Raptors were struggling again. He is now on the trading block. If Jack was such an obviously inferior player to Colangelo and the coaches then they'd look to deal his very reasonable contract and keep a "top 15" ( top 15 :rofl:) Pg in the league. Instead they will try and deal Calderon's far less valuable big contract.

If you put Melo on the Raptors they will get better. The biggest reason being that he is a wing player and would balance out the Raptors roster a lot better. It would allow Bargnani to move to the 4 and there wouldn't be any redundancy between Bosh/Bargnani anymore.
How much better? Not more than 4 wins. Still decent though.
The only thing I find funny is that you're oblivious to how much better a Billups/Nene/Afflalo/Smith/Martin/Lawson supporting cast is than a Calderon/Jack/Turkoglu/Bargnani/Johnson is. At least in terms of "fit".

Basically, both Melo and Bosh are top 3 players at their positions (if not top 2).
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#49 » by ClevelandRocks8 » Mon May 24, 2010 8:13 pm

No way Toronto takes this.

Nene has a bad contract and I doubt anyone deep inside wants JR Smith on their team.
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Post#50 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Mon May 24, 2010 8:34 pm

ClevelandRocks8 wrote:No way Toronto takes this.

Nene has a bad contract and I doubt anyone deep inside wants JR Smith on their team.

ROFL!! Nene a bad contract? Now you are funny. And I remember when Cav fans wanted JR Smith. A change of team (or coach) and he will be back to everyone wanting him.
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#51 » by wang000hk » Tue May 25, 2010 12:11 am

lol,you still think GK is the reason why he's struggling?
that guy is still the same idiot whoever coach this team
Well,knicks and warriors may want him because he's chucking 3 like them

Nene does not have a bad contact at the moment,but I wouldn't call him deserve it as long as he's still a pussy
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#52 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Tue May 25, 2010 12:45 am

wang000hk wrote:lol,you still think GK is the reason why he's struggling?
that guy is still the same idiot whoever coach this team

No one was coaching the team when GK was out. JR's season was already in a tailspin before that. JR had improved every year he has been on the Nuggets, and he couldn't get an ounce of respect from GK. JR is an emotional kid, GK had finally broke that camel's back since he is even less mature than JR.
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#53 » by ClevelandRocks8 » Tue May 25, 2010 8:11 pm

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
ClevelandRocks8 wrote:No way Toronto takes this.

Nene has a bad contract and I doubt anyone deep inside wants JR Smith on their team.

ROFL!! Nene a bad contract? Now you are funny. And I remember when Cav fans wanted JR Smith. A change of team (or coach) and he will be back to everyone wanting him.


I don't know what you consider a bad contract but 2 years $23 million for Nene? As underrated as he is, I wouldn't give him $8 million a year. Then add on the all the knee surgeries and he just had another knee injury in the Utah series. No team in their right mind would touch Nene right now. Kenyon Martin doesn't have a bad contract either, does he?

As for JR Smith: He shot 34% this year, that's terrible for a guy that's known for his 3-point shooting. He's a punk and chucks up shots without a conscience. Sure he catches fire once every ten games, but in those other nine games he's just wasting possessions with his terrible shots. At this moment, the only reason anyone would want him would be for his $6 million expiring.
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Post#54 » by The Rebel » Tue May 25, 2010 9:36 pm

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ClevelandRocks8 wrote:No way Toronto takes this.

Nene has a bad contract and I doubt anyone deep inside wants JR Smith on their team.

ROFL!! Nene a bad contract? Now you are funny. And I remember when Cav fans wanted JR Smith. A change of team (or coach) and he will be back to everyone wanting him.


I don't know what you consider a bad contract but 2 years $23 million for Nene? As underrated as he is, I wouldn't give him $8 million a year. Then add on the all the knee surgeries and he just had another knee injury in the Utah series. No team in their right mind would touch Nene right now. Kenyon Martin doesn't have a bad contract either, does he?

:lol: :roll:
I think you have been smoking a few to many Cleveland Rocks.

2yrs 23 million is too much for a good defensive center, that plays a solid offensive post game? Take a look around the NBA centers that are good on both ends make well over $10 million a year, trying to pay $8 million a year gets you guys like Villenuava, Verajao, Etan Thomas, and Darko, it does not even get you guys like Biedrens, Okur, Al Harrington, Big Z (prior to the buyout), or even a Boris Diaw. If you do not think that Nene is at least good enough to deserve a contract averaging $10 million per over 6 years you are out of your mind. Especially when guys like Curry, Tyson Chandler, and Dalembert all had similar contract. Hell guys like Okafer make a ton more then Nene, and most knowledgable basketball people would never take Okafer over Nene. That is not even mentioning the fact that Camby a guy the Nuggets dumped to make room for the better Nene just got a contract for $22 million over the next year. Considering those deals Nene is paid fairly especially considering that the money is paid out over 20 years, and in fact Nene may be able to opt out of that last year to get a bigger deal.

As for Nene's knee injuries, he only had one major one, and that was clear back in 2005, it was a major one, and did take almost 2 years to be able to come back fully from it, but it only happened once. The only other major issue he had was testicular cancer which was removed and treated costing him most of the 07-08 season. His major knee injury in the playoffs was a deep bone bruise, which cost him one game.
ClevelandRocks8 wrote:As for JR Smith: He shot 34% this year, that's terrible for a guy that's known for his 3-point shooting. He's a punk and chucks up shots without a conscience. Sure he catches fire once every ten games, but in those other nine games he's just wasting possessions with his terrible shots. At this moment, the only reason anyone would want him would be for his $6 million expiring.

JR did have a bad season shooting the 3, but is still a solid Sg that put up 15.5 ppg off the bench, where he was the only offensive option. If you had actually watched the Nuggets you would see the Jr usually had teams focused on him when he was on the court, due to the fact that much of the time he was on the court he was playing with Carter, Andersen, Graham, and Allen. In other words not a single one that is even serviceable on the offensive end, leaving JR as the only option. He is not a superstar, and needs others to draw the defense enough that he can either go one on one or have an open look. While I understand the national idiots have no clue what his problem was, someone that wants to come on the Nuggets board and act like they are not total fools, should realize that JR was forced to chuck up shots, while in 08-09 he usually had Kleiza on the court to help space it.

As for JR's head problems, that may be one of the most overblown stories in the NBA over the last 5 years. People want to bitch that he had an accident and it killed his friend. That happens more than anybody likes to admit, and does not indicate a guy is a headcase. A coach known for bitching about his talented players to the media, bitches a couple of times, and JR is the headcase? Was Ray Allen, Gary Payton, or Sam Cassell headcases? Because Karl used to love hitting them with the bus. I guess we could go all the way back to his problems fresh out of high school with Byron Scott, of course that had nothing to do with Scott either, I mean he never had his 3 top players call a press conference and say it was either him or them. As for the supposed chucking, as I said earlier it may have something to do that he spent more then half his time on the court without a single player that could create, shoot, or slash on the court. Prior to this year he was on the court with at all times with one or two other players that defenses had to at least respect on the offensive end, and he put up close to 40% which considering the numbers of 3s he took is a very good number.

The fact that is he is expiring is just sweetener, although I prefer that the Nuggets actually get someone else who can play offense to come off the bench with JR and Lawson, and watch as JR not only redeems himself, but makes some people look silly.
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#55 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Wed May 26, 2010 1:15 am

Thanks Rebel, you just saved me some time.

What Rebel said.
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Re: trade nene and JR for bosh 

Post#56 » by lumpatot » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:53 pm

uhhh.. earl smith? he's just a chucker.. awesome when he gets hot.. but doesn't know how to stop when he's not.. earl smith has serious issues man, the second coming of isiah rider.. no team wants this problem, not worth the risk and btw just a chucker.. and nene? if he's so good, how come nuggets defense sucked so much this year.. keeping in mind that Utah series, Jazz had NO center.. right...... in no way are those two star calibar players... nene is good but he's a poor man's bynum and earl is just marginal..... cmon... nugs fans overrating their players

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