Nene Opt'd OUT

[CableKC]

Nene has always had a great FG% and shows glimmers of beasting. In the right situation I believe he could be beasting much more consistently. That situation might just be right here in Denver, but his loyalty isn't quite at the same level as when the team had a proven unit.

This new team is going to be a set of fresh faces and reeks of playing a broken record.

The amount of work Nene had to put in to hold down the center position, he probably feels there needs to be massive appreciation for him to stay at that level. When he has to work too hard and doesn't see a ton of results......shouldn't he at least look for a better fit? Keep the phone turned up.

2009 was the year we really needed that 1 or 2 solid center figures to relieve Kenyon and Nene and that year passed. I believe Nene was overworked in the sense there wasn't a lot of reward for that hard work. I say this because I could see him on another team that really needs his skills ALSO, but it is fresh appreciation. That can lead to better production on the floor....or maybe better USE of what he does produce.

As for his ability to play power forward, if the Nuggets had a better Center the past several years, he would probably be a 4 instead of a 5. He has the speed and size to be a big and quick power forward, but in a league where there are few quality Centers, he has been forced to play Center primarily. A move to power forward would probably help his rebounding numbers and he could take advantage of smaller match ups on both ends of the floor which would probably be for the best with Nene. He is also one of the best passing bigs around at the moment. He is at times far too unselfish actually.

Thanks for the input.

One of the knocks on the Pacers lineup is that Darren Collison ( whose supposedly a really good at the Pick and Roll ) doesn't have a good Player to run the play with. How is Nene when it comes to the Pick and Roll?

[The Rebel]

Nene is good in the pick and roll when he is feeling aggressive, which is about half the time.

[Solid]

Nene will feel aggressive more often when he's playing his natural position.
He'll get to bully guys 6'9" 230 instead of strain himself against guys 7' 260.

He can play 30 min per instead of 36 if he wants to and be strong for the finish
He can mentor both Tyler and Hibbert - who will soak it up.

He'll start for one of the best young front courts in the league.

If we pay him 13 mil a year that's better to us than paying almost as much for a lessor player and having to trade Danny or Hibb to get him- RIGHT?!

It just works.

[LarsV8]

It just works.

[patrol345]

I could see us pay 13 mil to keep nene, its half a million more than what we already offered him, and we would be moving him to pf anyways, so whats your point?

[vincecarter4pres]

I could see us pay 13 mil to keep nene, its half a million more than what we already offered him, and we would be moving him to pf anyways, so whats your point?

Is he going to give Denver a chance to match if he gets an offer and a situation he likes though?

[The Rebel]

I could see us pay 13 mil to keep nene, its half a million more than what we already offered him, and we would be moving him to pf anyways, so whats your point?

Is he going to give Denver a chance to match if he gets an offer and a situation he likes though?

If you listen to Nene's comments prior to the lockout, he really had no interest in leaving, it is his agent putting out rumors and trying like hell to get him a huge contract. Nene was almost in tears in the last interview I seen where he was discussing the possibility of leaving Denver. When the lockout ends we will see, but right now I still am 75% convinced that he will be back.

[The Rebel]

Nene will feel aggressive more often when he's playing his natural position.
He'll get to bully guys 6'9" 230 instead of strain himself against guys 7' 260.

He can play 30 min per instead of 36 if he wants to and be strong for the finish
He can mentor both Tyler and Hibbert - who will soak it up.

He'll start for one of the best young front courts in the league.

If we pay him 13 mil a year that's better to us than paying almost as much for a lessor player and having to trade Danny or Hibb to get him- RIGHT?!

It just works.

I still don't understand why Pacers fans think their team is so appealing to free agents. They have not had a winning season in years, Hibbert already will be clogging the middle on offense cutting down spacing, Granger already appears to be declining, their backcourt has a long way to go to reach the current ability of the Nuggets backcourt, and the Nuggets have younger more talented players with the potential to reach much higher limits.

I could see a team like the Kings having fans troll this board about Nene, at least they have some high potential players, a culture in the area that Nene seems to like, the cap room, and owners that have sworn they were going to spend money this summer. The Pacers I do not see the appeal for Nene, and I do not see the fit for the team.

[vincecarter4pres]

I could see us pay 13 mil to keep nene, its half a million more than what we already offered him, and we would be moving him to pf anyways, so whats your point?

Is he going to give Denver a chance to match if he gets an offer and a situation he likes though?

If you listen to Nene's comments prior to the lockout, he really had no interest in leaving, it is his agent putting out rumors and trying like hell to get him a huge contract. Nene was almost in tears in the last interview I seen where he was discussing the possibility of leaving Denver. When the lockout ends we will see, but right now I still am 75% convinced that he will be back.

Almost in tears? I need some sort of link here.

No offense, but you were the guy until maybe last December that was saying there was still a solid chance Melo would resign and stick around.

I heard his comments where he said he would like to finish his career in Denver.

I've also heard the interviews where he said he felt disrespected or at least unappreciated.

I saw him turn down 4 years for $50 million.

I know he wants to go back to his natural position of power forward.

And I've heard he wants to be part of a true winning situation.

This isn't just his agent.

I would be incredibly surprised if Denver retains Nene.

Honestly, I don't see the point.

As is, Denver is probably not even going to make the playoffs next year and if they do it will be as an 8th seed and ensuing 1st round exit.

You're setup like a treadmill team if you resign Nene.

It's time for a true rebuild including a few seasons of suck. I know it. You know it.

[The Rebel]

Almost in tears? I need some sort of link here.

do a search, I do not really use youtube, and do not have the time to do that right now.

No offense, but you were the guy until maybe last December that was saying there was still a solid chance Melo would resign and stick around.

link please? Because I was one of the 1st Nuggets fans to say that Melo was leaving, and considering the post was written on Aug 20th of last year I would say your dates are way off.

I am actually fine with melo leaving, and I personally think the writing is on the wall. While he could be doing this for the attention, I think it is more then that. I think he wants the attention that helping turn around a franchise in a major market will bring him, he has always been jealous of the attention guys like Lebron and wade have gotten while he was ignored.

With the right package coming back I would trade him today.

It is on the bottom of the page.
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I heard his comments where he said he would like to finish his career in Denver.

I've also heard the interviews where he said he felt disrespected or at least unappreciated.

I saw him turn down 4 years for $50 million.

He will more then likely regret that decision to turn down that money, but we shall see.

I know he wants to go back to his natural position of power forward.

Denver now has 3 centers on the roster, and no starting pf, what do you think is the plan for Nene in Denver?

And I've heard he wants to be part of a true winning situation.

Unfortunately for you the Nuggets are the only winning situation that has cap space, do some research, they won 50 games, and got better after they traded Melo.

This isn't just his agent.

I would be incredibly surprised if Denver retains Nene.

Honestly, I don't see the point.

Just like you thought the Nets would never offer Harris, Favors, and 2 1st rounders?

As is, Denver is probably not even going to make the playoffs next year and if they do it will be as an 8th seed and ensuing 1st round exit.

Given that you are an expert, how does a team that won 50 games, and just under 71% of their games after trading their superstar, now going to be lucky to make the playoffs?

You're setup like a treadmill team if you resign Nene.

I wish someone out there could explain this thought process to me. The Nuggets have young proven starters at 3 positions, 2 young center with potential, great depth, and plenty of money to spend, how is that a treadmill team? The Nuggets are not the Cavs, they did not get left with nothing when their star left.

It's time for a true rebuild including a few seasons of suck. I know it. You know it.

Why would a young team with plenty of cap room and young talent rebuild? Especially after they just won 50 games? If the Nuggets would have wanted to completly rebuild they would have taken the Nets deal, but they choose to go with the Knicks package. Now they have young talent, draft picks, cap room, how exactly can other teams compete with that? it is not like they are a team with one great player and a bunch of average to below average players that is hoping to pull some superstar while they flounder about the floor of the eastern conference. something you may know about.

[vincecarter4pres]

Dude, I would put a thousand dollars up to say the Nuggets don't win more then 42 games next year and miss the playoffs.

Denver has plenty of young talent and all of it is basically role players and fringe starters.

You have no franchise player, no star and the only prospect on your team that has that potential is Gallo and I still doubt he ever gets to that level.

Stop fooling yourself, there isn't a snowball chance in a microwave that Denver "chose" the NY package, they settled for it cause Melo just wasn't going to go to NJ as they were built.

NY got it out the way cause things change. Say they say **** it and let Melo hit free agency and then the Nets wind up with Deron and the cap to sign him, he very well may have chosen the Nets.

That NJ package blew the Knicks package out of the water with an atomic bomb, they aren't in the same stratosphere.

I love the dig at the end too. Something I should know about. Yeah cause the Nuggets have been a real model of success themselves.

There is no way in hell the Nuggets are a better team without Melo, they just caught lightening in a bottle and were ahead of the curve as was when the trade went down.

If you resign basically everyone, I think you're looking at 38 wins next year.

And what good does cap space do when every dime of it will go to resigning the guys already on your roster?

And how are you not a treadmill team even if you remain a 50 win squad?

You have no real way to get significantly better, you're topped out as a 2nd round team if everything goes "right".

What's wrong with what Cleveland wound up with? They did things the right way, they didn't disillusion themselves with happy thoughts of the playoffs, they sucked and sucked hard and will suck for another season or two and will build through the draft and trade, land 1 if not 2 franchise stars in this fashion and be a force again within 5 or 6 years and probably in the playoffs in another 2 or 3.

I mean you can't possibly believe your team as is, is a contender or will be shortly without a MAJOR move, do you?

[patrol345]

^^^^^ that all sounds good except I got two words for you...... Minesotta Timberwolves, how long have they been stuck rebuilding the "right way"? Id much rather be in the playoffs with a crap load of cap space, and a few assests to figure out if you wanna keep, or trade for picks, and I am fine with keeping nene, he can be moved if we no longer need him.

[eathb_au]

As long as we keep Nene, we'll win 50 easy especially with Karl as coach.

Whether we get out of the first round is the question.

Personally it might be best if we just threw away this what appears to be a short season, get a decent lotto pick and the franchise would look as good as ever.

To be fair, even though Nene is not an All-Star, he has All-Star impact if it makes sense. The offense was so much better and more fluent when it ran through him instead of Melo.

[Nuggets_Talk]

Dude, I would put a thousand dollars up to say the Nuggets don't win more then 42 games next year and miss the playoffs.

ok

Denver has plenty of young talent and all of it is basically role players and fringe starters.

You have no franchise player, no star and the only prospect on your team that has that potential is Gallo and I still doubt he ever gets to that level.

and yet we still did very well.

Stop fooling yourself, there isn't a snowball chance in a microwave that Denver "chose" the NY package, they settled for it cause Melo just wasn't going to go to NJ as they were built.

NY got it out the way cause things change. Say they say **** it and let Melo hit free agency and then the Nets wind up with Deron and the cap to sign him, he very well may have chosen the Nets.

failx1000 not only did we choose the package we got NY to throw in more.

That NJ package blew the Knicks package out of the water with an atomic bomb, they aren't in the same stratosphere.

and yet the nets had to wait to see what we did and then went to utah.

I love the dig at the end too. Something I should know about. Yeah cause the Nuggets have been a real model of success themselves.

recently we have been...how many teams in the entire nba have made the playoffs the last 8 years?

ill wait...

There is no way in hell the Nuggets are a better team without Melo, they just caught lightening in a bottle and were ahead of the curve as was when the trade went down.

we got better after melo left. that is a fact.

If you resign basically everyone, I think you're looking at 38 wins next year.

awesome.

And what good does cap space do when every dime of it will go to resigning the guys already on your roster?

nothing.

And how are you not a treadmill team even if you remain a 50 win squad?

ill take 50 wins.

You have no real way to get significantly better, you're topped out as a 2nd round team if everything goes "right".

What's wrong with what Cleveland wound up with? They did things the right way, they didn't disillusion themselves with happy thoughts of the playoffs, they sucked and sucked hard and will suck for another season or two and will build through the draft and trade, land 1 if not 2 franchise stars in this fashion and be a force again within 5 or 6 years and probably in the playoffs in another 2 or 3.

what cleveland did was the "right way"? wtf?

I mean you can't possibly believe your team as is, is a contender or will be shortly without a MAJOR move, do you?

same for about 25 other teams...and if it takes a major move, then so be it. right now we are looking pretty good. thanks

[The Rebel]

Dude, I would put a thousand dollars up to say the Nuggets don't win more then 42 games next year and miss the playoffs.

Good luck with that, although you should be careful, considering you are on this board pumping up a team that has not won 42 games in the last 2 years combined.

Denver has plenty of young talent and all of it is basically role players and fringe starters.

Funny they seem to have plenty of interest around the league, the Nuggets are not the Nets, the Nuggets have legitimate starters at 4 slots next year, and will fill the 5 easily with their cap room. It could be argued the Nets and several other teams that think they are the better option for Nene, do not have more then 2 legit starters.

You have no franchise player, no star and the only prospect on your team that has that potential is Gallo and I still doubt he ever gets to that level.

Yet they somehow managed to win 50 games last years, no star and no other prospects then the guy who was fighting injuries directly after the trade, I guess they are in line for 70 wins next year when Gallo is healthy? by the way since you spent so little time watching the Nuggets as your opinions in this very thread prove, you should know that Gallo was at best the 4th best player on the court for the Nuggets.

Stop fooling yourself, there isn't a snowball chance in a microwave that Denver "chose" the NY package, they settled for it cause Melo just wasn't going to go to NJ as they were built.

go back and read some of the quotes from Melo even after the deal, he thought he was going to New Jersey the night before the deal. But he refused to go?

NY got it out the way cause things change. Say they say **** it and let Melo hit free agency and then the Nets wind up with Deron and the cap to sign him, he very well may have chosen the Nets.

Except the Knicks did the deal because otherwise he was going to the Nets, which has been confirmed by plenty of article both directly before and after the deal. The Knicks did not give up that package for the hell of it, and to say they did just shows complete ignorance, no team would give up what the Knicks offered for a guy who made it clear they were his 1st choice.

That NJ package blew the Knicks package out of the water with an atomic bomb, they aren't in the same stratosphere.

What package 4 draft picks, a young raw PF prospect, an overpaid injury prone average pg, and cap relief. the Nuggets got 5 prospects, an average pg, 3 picks, a pick swap, cap relief. Deals are damn close, and obviously the Nuggets decided they would rather win now as opposed to going through a complete rebuild.

I love the dig at the end too. Something I should know about. Yeah cause the Nuggets have been a real model of success themselves.

the Nuggets had a bad run throughout the 90s, but have had 18 winning seasons since joining the NBA, the Nets have had 11 winning seasons since joining the NBA, so yes the Nuggets franchise has had more success.

There is no way in hell the Nuggets are a better team without Melo, they just caught lightening in a bottle and were ahead of the curve as was when the trade went down.

It is up for debate if the Nuggets are better without Melo, funny thing is their offense ran smoother, their defense was tons better, and they played hard. I would never say they were more talented, but the iso offense, and lackadaisical defense from Melo did as much to hurt the Nuggets as his talent helped them. Every observer who watched both teams say the Nuggets after the trade were a much better team then they had been with melo.

If you resign basically everyone, I think you're looking at 38 wins next year.

Once again with the projections, considering your lack of knowledge with the Nuggets, i would say we should all take this with a grain of salt.

And what good does cap space do when every dime of it will go to resigning the guys already on your roster?

You realize the Nuggets have plenty of cap space to resign all their guys, and still have the largest TPE in the history of the league, they have plenty of ways to add to the team.

And how are you not a treadmill team even if you remain a 50 win squad?

Young team winning 50 games a season is not a treadmill team, I love how every player in the league has the chance to get better, but the young guys on the Nuggets are fringe starters and have no chance to get better.

You have no real way to get significantly better, you're topped out as a 2nd round team if everything goes "right".

have you ever heard of players improving? What about draft picks and the MLE? Trades using TPEs? The Nuggets have plenty of young talent that likely will get better, and plenty of other options to add good young talent. it is not like they went out and spent all their money on 3rd stringers and busts. they got 3 starters and a 6th man all from teams that were on pace to win 50 games last year, and won 50 games with those players and their own young talent.

What's wrong with what Cleveland wound up with? They did things the right way, they didn't disillusion themselves with happy thoughts of the playoffs, they sucked and sucked hard and will suck for another season or two and will build through the draft and trade, land 1 if not 2 franchise stars in this fashion and be a force again within 5 or 6 years and probably in the playoffs in another 2 or 3.

You realize that the odds are the Cavs get one starter out of their 2 lotto picks right? you obviously believe a ton more in draft picks then I do, or then the results bare out in the end. Draft picks are nice, but they can lead to a decade of futility, believe me as a Nuggets fan I Know. by the way how are they going to land a franchise player? they do not have the trade pieces, and are depending on the draft, considering the odds it can be a damn long wait. To proclaim them to have a better future shows lack of understanding how teams are built in the NBA. For every team like the Thunder, there are 2 like the the Cavs, Clippers, Knicks, and Bulls. they go a decade between good teams hoping to get lucky one time in the draft.

I mean you can't possibly believe your team as is, is a contender or will be shortly without a MAJOR move, do you?

Did you see the Mavs as a contender last year? the Nuggets are a good 50 win team, with plenty of depth and young talent, as well as the draft picks, TPe, and cap space to make any trade they come across, and still leave themselves in a position to entice a star into staying in Denver. They are not some team that struggled to win a game after trading Melo, but instead improved dramatically. You come on here acting as if the Nets and Cavs are in a position to do anything more then the Nuggets right, now the Cavs have limited trade assets and nothing to entice a player to stay, and the Nets gave up all their trade chips to get one star, and now have little ability to improve the team around him enough to entice him to stay. Nuggets have all the tools to continue to win 50 games, and as long as the front office continues to make good moves they are much closer to being a contender then the Cavs, or Nets, or any other young rebuilding team right now.

[vincecarter4pres]

Your post is full of so much fail and inaccuracies I don't even know where to begin.

I'll come back to this a little later and quote it just as so to show my above statement isn't going to be some wide sweeping cop out. And no, not trying to make it like my opinion matters that much, just don't want to simply make the above statement with nothing to back it up and leave it like that with no accountability.

[Bensational]

if Nene walks, would the Nugs consider trading for (basically absorbing) one of the other 'overpriced' C's in the league, such as Okafor or Jefferson?

[youngthegiant]

if Nene walks, would the Nugs consider trading for (basically absorbing) one of the other 'overpriced' C's in the league, such as Okafor or Jefferson?

no to okafor unless we got something to sweeten the deal. yes to jefferson.