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Draft on Thursday

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Who should Denver draft?

Jared Sullinger
5
38%
Perry Jones
1
8%
Kendall Marshall
3
23%
Quincy Miller
1
8%
Arnette Moultrie
0
No votes
Andrew Nicholson
0
No votes
Royce White
1
8%
Other
2
15%
 
Total votes: 13

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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#21 » by Rakner » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:24 am

The Rebel wrote:https://twitter.com/denvernuggets
#Nuggets‬ president Josh Kroenke: "Our existing roster deserved a chance to move forward and compete together."


Looks like the Nuggets are happy with this team as is, and are not going to do much to change it this year.


We just need to make a few tweaks here and there. Add a shooter, a good low post presence and we are playoff contenders for a long time, maybe a title contender in a few years :) .
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#22 » by DaFan334 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:38 am

eathb_au wrote:Great, let's draft a shooting guard that cannot shoot.

Management seems to think that's his strength.
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#23 » by youngthegiant » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:41 am

Rakner wrote:
The Rebel wrote:https://twitter.com/denvernuggets
#Nuggets‬ president Josh Kroenke: "Our existing roster deserved a chance to move forward and compete together."


Looks like the Nuggets are happy with this team as is, and are not going to do much to change it this year.


We just need to make a few tweaks here and there. Add a shooter, a good low post presence and we are playoff contenders for a long time, maybe a title contender in a few years :) .
smh we could have done that in this draft
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#24 » by youngthegiant » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:45 am

Roster as it stands
Ty lawson
Andre Miller
Julyan Stone
Arron Afflalo
Jordan Hamilton
Corey Brewer
Rudy Fernandez
Danilo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler
Kenneth faried
Al harrington
Javale Mcgee
Timofey Mozgov
Kosta Koufos
Chris Anderson
Evan Fournier
Quincy Miller

17 players- Rudy is most likely gone, Anderson is most likely gone, Miller is a possibility to be gone as well. If two of those leave then we just barely have enough to fit in our 2 new players.
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#25 » by Rakner » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:52 am

youngthegiant wrote:
Rakner wrote:
We just need to make a few tweaks here and there. Add a shooter, a good low post presence and we are playoff contenders for a long time, maybe a title contender in a few years :) .
smh we could have done that in this draft


Well i was hoping that as well but we still have Free Agency, so maybe we could grab someone there.
Theres plenty of proven shooters in FA this year.
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#26 » by Ice32 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:30 am

youngthegiant wrote:Roster as it stands
Ty lawson
Andre Miller
Julyan Stone
Arron Afflalo
Jordan Hamilton
Corey Brewer
Rudy Fernandez
Danilo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler
Kenneth faried
Al harrington
Javale Mcgee
Timofey Mozgov
Kosta Koufos
Chris Anderson
Evan Fournier
Quincy Miller

17 players- Rudy is most likely gone, Anderson is most likely gone, Miller is a possibility to be gone as well. If two of those leave then we just barely have enough to fit in our 2 new players.


Well Dre, Rudy & McGee don't have contracts yet. We wont have a clearer picture until July 1st. I'm guessing that Rudy is most likely gone, Dre probably gone and Birdman maybe gone.
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#27 » by Sabas11 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:34 pm

Fournier is decent value at 20 but he is your typical long-term prospect. If you look at the biggets sites' mock drafts, he was always going to be picked in that range (18-25).

He's a 19 year-old 6-6 SG who has now been playing professionnally for two years in France, for the team of Poitiers. Last year he averaged 14 ppg (1st on team), 3.2 rpg and 2.2 apg (3rd) in 26 mpg (3rd).

Let's begin with the competition he faced: the French league is in the second tier of European basketball behind Spain, Greece, Italy and Russia. No French team has managed to qualify for the Euroleague's top 16 for 4 years now so this is definitely not the top level of basketball in Europe. However it is a guard-oriented league, usually each team will build around a couple US imports at either guard position. Some names that you might know who played in France last year: Taylor Rochestie (Washington St), Allan Ray (Villanova), DeMarcus Nelson (Duke), Andre Barrett (Seton Hall), Kareem Reid (Arkansas), among others. The point is that while France is overall an average league, Fournier's position is the most stacked and he faced tough competition every week.

Fournier's team finished in 13th place out of 16 and did not qualify for the playoffs. It has by far the smallest budget of all elite teams as Poitiers has only been a fully professional club for 3 years, having promoted their way to the top in 2010. This can explain why they took the risk to give the keys of the team to a 19 year old. Fournier responded very well to this situation for a guy of his age and as the team's best player helped Poitiers avoid relegation. In fairness, this also helped Fournier's exposition as the teams's featured player.

His strengths: At 6-6 with long arms he has good length for the SG position. He's a very good scorer with a varied offensive game. He can create his shots and likes to attack the basket, his quick first step enables him to do so and to draw fouls (4 FTA per game last year). He runs the floor well and has good athleticism to easily finish above the rim. He has range on his jumpshot and is a decent spot-up shooter and off one or two dribbles. On defense he plays the passing lanes well and his long arms enable him to get steals (1.5 spg). He's coachable and has demonstrated a good learning curve so he probably will become better.

His weaknesses: he probably won't play in the NBA for at least one year, probably two. He's skinny and lacks upper body strength to finish off contact consistently. He needs the ball in his hand to be effective and needs to improve his off the ball play. He also needs to improve his shooting off of screens and improve on his mid-range game. While he is not a bad shooter, he is streaky and can be subject to long cold periods. His handles needs work, if he dribbles more than two times attacking the basket he is prone to turnovers and struggles creating for himself and his teammates. He's an OK passer but best used as a finisher, in that sense he is a bit one dimesional.

All in all he's an intriguing prospect and has good upside. The only other players from the French league I can remember who were 1)clearly the man on their team 2) French and 3) under 20 years old are Tony Parker and Boris Diaw. I'm not saying he will become as good as them but that makes him exciting in my eyes. Now is he worth passing up on Sullinger and Perry Jones? That's debatable as Fournier's skillset is more easily replicable.
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#28 » by The Rebel » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:29 pm

Rakner wrote:
The Rebel wrote:https://twitter.com/denvernuggets
#Nuggets‬ president Josh Kroenke: "Our existing roster deserved a chance to move forward and compete together."


Looks like the Nuggets are happy with this team as is, and are not going to do much to change it this year.


We just need to make a few tweaks here and there. Add a shooter, a good low post presence and we are playoff contenders for a long time, maybe a title contender in a few years :) .


the more I think about that quote the more it irritates me, reminds of 2005 after that crazy run with Karl, and then a 1st round exit. All you heard all summer was how the team deserved to stay together, and not much was done to the team. the next year the team was basically the same, and had the exact same result. Personally I am tired of getting the exact same result year after year, I would rather they take some big chances, worst case it does not work and you rebuild, otherwise you are getting the same resutl year after year.
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#29 » by youngthegiant » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:45 pm

the more I think about that quote the more it irritates me, reminds of 2005 after that crazy run with Karl, and then a 1st round exit. All you heard all summer was how the team deserved to stay together, and not much was done to the team. the next year the team was basically the same, and had the exact same result. Personally I am tired of getting the exact same result year after year, I would rather they take some big chances, worst case it does not work and you rebuild, otherwise you are getting the same resutl year after year.
Amen to that.....
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#30 » by almost famous » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:25 pm

The Rebel wrote:
the more I think about that quote the more it irritates me, reminds of 2005 after that crazy run with Karl, and then a 1st round exit. All you heard all summer was how the team deserved to stay together, and not much was done to the team. the next year the team was basically the same, and had the exact same result. Personally I am tired of getting the exact same result year after year, I would rather they take some big chances, worst case it does not work and you rebuild, otherwise you are getting the same resutl year after year.


Exactly.
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#31 » by youngthegiant » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:38 am

Been hearing that Fournier could possibly play the point. I'm still a little weary of that but if he can, then that would make him a very versatile player. Hopefully we get to see him in the summer league.

Ty lawson/Evan Fournier/Julyan Stone
Arron Afflalo/Jordan Hamilton
Danilo gallinari/Wilson Chandler/Quincy Miller
Kenneth faried/Wilson Chandler/Al Harrington
Javale Mcgee/Kosta Koufos/Mozgov
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#32 » by Mac1958 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:53 pm

youngthegiant wrote:Roster as it stands
Ty lawson
Andre Miller
Julyan Stone
Arron Afflalo
Jordan Hamilton
Corey Brewer
Rudy Fernandez
Danilo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler
Kenneth faried
Al harrington
Javale Mcgee
Timofey Mozgov
Kosta Koufos
Chris Anderson
Evan Fournier
Quincy Miller

17 players- Rudy is most likely gone, Anderson is most likely gone, Miller is a possibility to be gone as well. If two of those leave then we just barely have enough to fit in our 2 new players.



Seems to me that, with all this depth, the Nuggets are in a perfect position to pursue a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 trade for a big name. Hell, even TWO 2-for-1 trades.

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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#33 » by Rakner » Sun Jul 1, 2012 5:35 am

Mac1958 wrote:Seems to me that, with all this depth, the Nuggets are in a perfect position to pursue a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 trade for a big name. Hell, even TWO 2-for-1 trades.


Yeah we definitely have the assets to pursuit some "Big Names" but the question isn't if we have those assets, the questions is who we should get with those assets?
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#34 » by The Rebel » Mon Jul 2, 2012 10:37 pm

Good article on the Millers past hype.
"After witnessing his remarkable abilities on the court," explained a blog on the site, "he arguably is a mirror image."

That summer, Miller was dunking destiny. Most respected recruiting sites had him among the top prospects of the seniors-to-be. Dave Telep, an acclaimed recruiting eye, wrote that Anthony Davis, yes, was No. 1 in the class, but "there is a legitimate argument that can be made for Quincy Miller as the top prospect in this class."


Read more: Quincy Miller's new view with Denver Nuggets puts injury in past - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_20 ... z1zVWgb9mc
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Re: Draft on Thursday 

Post#35 » by gensu3k1 » Thu Jul 5, 2012 7:13 am

I love this draft for the Nuggets. Both picks were exactly whom I wanted in those spots.
Zach Randolph + Kevin Durant >>>>>>> Greg Oden. Bob Whitsitt>>>>>> Kevin Pritchard.
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