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The 5 Most Overrated Nuggets Players of the Past 15 Years

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The 5 Most Overrated Nuggets Players of the Past 15 Years 

Post#1 » by JV4MVP » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:46 am

The Nuggets franchise has enjoyed moderate success over its lifespan, but has yet to win an NBA title. While a number of storied teams remain banner-less after decades of play (the Indiana Pacers, Phoenix Suns and Orlando Magic are but a few), it is surprising that a multitude of talented Nuggets squads have failed to garner a single championship win.

Perhaps this lack of success can be attributed to the presence of some substantially overrated players who have been tagged as leaders of recent Nuggets rosters. Let's take a look at some recent Nuggets who have failed to live up to expectations.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1377 ... f-all-time

Carmelo Anthony
Allen Iverson
Linas Kleiza
Vashon Leonard
J.R. Smith

Disclaimer: I actually am a fan of Anthony, Kleiza and J.R. Smith
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Post#2 » by The Rebel » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:47 am

LOL at bleacher report, that site has as much credibility as posters on this board.

As for the list, I can think of several that should be on the list over those guys, in fact I would take several of them off that list.

Everybody knew Vashon Leonard was a journeyman 3 point shooter that was limited in everything else he did, he did very well putting up 3s on a team that desperately needed the shooting, but everybody knew he was replaceable.

AI was also a very good player, but the fit between him and Melo was worse then the Melo Amare combo, he feel off quickley once he left Denver, but especially that first year he was in Denver he still had the talent and skills to be a difference maker, just a horrible fit.

Kleiza is another guy who should not be on the list, everybody knew he was our 2nd best bench player for years, you never heard arguments for him being a starter like you do others, nobody was really all that upset when he left, all anybody thought he was is what he is a nice 7th man type that can come in a play some solid minutes.

Carmelo, personally I am so tired of hearing about him being overrated, yes he did not do many of the little things, and yes 75% of the time his defense sucked, but everybody knew it. Karl knew it, fans knew it, and even the announcers admitted it. The guy is one hell of a scorer, he is a very good rebounder for a SF, and he will never reach his potential, but nobody thought he was the best player in the game, most Nuggets fans put him at a borderline top 10 player even while he was in Denver.

Also I do not think JR was all that overrated, while he had a bit of that one day he will grow up, we all knew what to expect from him, he is and always a gunner with tremendous talent. One day he would get hot and shoot us into games while dominating both ends, the next game he would be missing 12 shots and pouting on defense. People wanted him as a starter for years, but much of that had to do with the fact that he was behind guys like Dahntay Jones in the lineup, talk about a bad player.

I would easily replace that list with these guys.

Boykins, crowd and announcers loved him, Karl seemed to love the guy overplaying him, he thought he was a superstar, saying at one point something like that he would be a superstar if he was 6 inches taller. Yet the guy was a chucker who could not stay on the court for any team, or any coach outside of Karl.

Camby, he was supposedly a DPOY and a top 3 rebounder in the league, average fans loved the guy, but amazingly the defense and team rebounding actually got better with him off the court. He was very good at gathering stats, and ripping the ball out of teammates hands, but he very rarely was ever a difference maker in a game. People remember the AI for Billups trade, but forget Camby was dumped that offseason as well.

Nene was the ultimate just wait guy. He has all the talent you could want, he would go out and put up amazing games, and then he would be persona non grata for days or weeks even. Every time he would put together a couple of good games everybody thought he had finally got it, all offseason everybody thought this is the year he becomes an all star, only to realize a week later he still did not want it as bad as us fans wanted it for him.

I would also put Afflalo on the list, fact of the matter most Nuggets fans expected him to be a top 3 player on the team last year along with Nene and Gallo. Once Gallo went out it was obvious that Afflalo was limited on offense to the point of just being more of a d and 3 guy, except his defense went downhill once Melo was traded so that he became a below average defender and a decent shooter with a very limited game, Not what any of us were thinking he would become.

Another one I also overrated was Chris Andersen, while he was a good energy guy off the bench, and everybody around Denver loved him, he never did crap to shut down any big that was good in the post, and he was close to worthless on offense.
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Re: The 5 Most Overrated Nuggets Players of the Past 15 Year 

Post#3 » by clockwork » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:01 am

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kleiza performed up to expectations, and in my opinion j.r., under karl's leash, went above expectations (as much as i despised him), melo was great here regardless of how he left - i personally didn't mind considering our return and current situation, vashon was the best of a crap situation, and iverson gave his last umph here and i don't regret him playing here. those were some fun years of nuggets basketball.

aside from vashon who is the only reason for the title, most of these players only go back 4-5 years. did we forget that in 09 we went to the west finals with 3 out of the 5? best results since 1984-1985 and alex english?

3/4 years ago this kid was entering high school, now he's a supposed "featured columnist" give me a f.... break.
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Post#4 » by pickIBL » Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:37 pm

1. Allen Iverson (Based on overall expectations coming in... regardless of fit... this goes to AI based on the title of the list)
2. Nikoloz Tskitishvili (One of the biggest busts of all time... hyped up... fizzled out big time)
3. Earl Boykins
4. Chris Herren shoulda been a starter down the road for the Nuggets...
5. Kenyon Martin (headcase when it really counted in the playoffs for us... got a big contract coming off a lot of success with the Nets... expectations were sky high... intense player none the less... but based on expectations and that contract... he makes the list.
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Re: The 5 Most Overrated Nuggets Players of the Past 15 Year 

Post#5 » by elbowthrower » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:49 pm

Camby was the first guy to come to my mind- he takes the title by miles. Then Iverson and Melo.

Other than that I don't really think any Nuggets have been *that* overrated. I wonder how we'll perceive Gallo in 3 years though.

Who the hell really thought Voshon Lenard was going to do much?
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Post#6 » by Teens On Acid » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:31 pm

depends on opinion and who's doing the rating.
i'm gonna go ahead with who i imagine Coach George Karl would rate his players and where I would rate those players.

Camby, Nene, Kleiza, Najera and Carter ALL were overrated by coach in my opinion. All of those guys were given minutes when they shouldn't have.

in public opinion i definitely agree that Afflalo has been over rated.
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Post#7 » by Powder Blue » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:55 am

I always felt BR was garbage, now I know why....Shout out to the kid for gettin his journalism on, he's ready to be a beat writer for the post.

AI is a HOF lock and Melo is getting there.... Hard to call them "over-rated"

Nene and Camby I agree with. K-Mart was over paid but played with intensity when his knees let him. Current players like Gallo, Chandler and Ty could end up over- rated in a few years.

George Karl is probably the most over-rated coach in the NBA. Who is better at the 2 pg lineup, sit young talent, ride old talent, get 50 wins and get out coached in the first round?
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Post#8 » by Maf » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:27 pm

2 Rebel: Very nice. I think I've never read something that good from you. I totally agree with Camby and Boykins. Man I hate these two... Especially Camby. Our DPOY who guarded F. Elson during PO...
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Post#9 » by Manimal » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:03 pm

Vo wasn't overrated, he did exactly what he was here to do and did it well. And he played here when that kid was like 8 years old, so wtf does he know anyway? The only thing he mentioned was that his three point shooting sucked his last year here, but failed to mention that he barely even played because he tore his achilles the year before and was still working his way back. In his three healthy seasons with us he shot 37.5% from three. Maybe not elite, but still enough to be classified as a good shooter.

And the dude worked perfectly with Andre Miller. Bringing him back in 2003 and pairing those guys together was one of the big reasons we even made the playoffs Melo's rookie season. If anything those guys were underrated at the time, because all the credit went to Melo for our turnaround...when in reality, we wouldn't have gone anywhere without those guys.
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Post#10 » by maljanNBAfan » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:52 am

Manimal wrote:Vo wasn't overrated, he did exactly what he was here to do and did it well. And he played here when that kid was like 8 years old, so wtf does he know anyway? The only thing he mentioned was that his three point shooting sucked his last year here, but failed to mention that he barely even played because he tore his achilles the year before and was still working his way back. In his three healthy seasons with us he shot 37.5% from three. Maybe not elite, but still enough to be classified as a good shooter.

And the dude worked perfectly with Andre Miller. Bringing him back in 2003 and pairing those guys together was one of the big reasons we even made the playoffs Melo's rookie season. If anything those guys were underrated at the time, because all the credit went to Melo for our turnaround...when in reality, we wouldn't have gone anywhere without those guys.


I see what you're saying here. Nicely stated.
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Post#11 » by TKF » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:51 pm

The Rebel wrote:LOL at bleacher report, that site has as much credibility as posters on this board.

As for the list, I can think of several that should be on the list over those guys, in fact I would take several of them off that list.

Everybody knew Vashon Leonard was a journeyman 3 point shooter that was limited in everything else he did, he did very well putting up 3s on a team that desperately needed the shooting, but everybody knew he was replaceable.

AI was also a very good player, but the fit between him and Melo was worse then the Melo Amare combo, he feel off quickley once he left Denver, but especially that first year he was in Denver he still had the talent and skills to be a difference maker, just a horrible fit.

Kleiza is another guy who should not be on the list, everybody knew he was our 2nd best bench player for years, you never heard arguments for him being a starter like you do others, nobody was really all that upset when he left, all anybody thought he was is what he is a nice 7th man type that can come in a play some solid minutes.

Carmelo, personally I am so tired of hearing about him being overrated, yes he did not do many of the little things, and yes 75% of the time his defense sucked, but everybody knew it. Karl knew it, fans knew it, and even the announcers admitted it. The guy is one hell of a scorer, he is a very good rebounder for a SF, and he will never reach his potential, but nobody thought he was the best player in the game, most Nuggets fans put him at a borderline top 10 player even while he was in Denver.

Also I do not think JR was all that overrated, while he had a bit of that one day he will grow up, we all knew what to expect from him, he is and always a gunner with tremendous talent. One day he would get hot and shoot us into games while dominating both ends, the next game he would be missing 12 shots and pouting on defense. People wanted him as a starter for years, but much of that had to do with the fact that he was behind guys like Dahntay Jones in the lineup, talk about a bad player.

I would easily replace that list with these guys.

Boykins, crowd and announcers loved him, Karl seemed to love the guy overplaying him, he thought he was a superstar, saying at one point something like that he would be a superstar if he was 6 inches taller. Yet the guy was a chucker who could not stay on the court for any team, or any coach outside of Karl.

Camby, he was supposedly a DPOY and a top 3 rebounder in the league, average fans loved the guy, but amazingly the defense and team rebounding actually got better with him off the court. He was very good at gathering stats, and ripping the ball out of teammates hands, but he very rarely was ever a difference maker in a game. People remember the AI for Billups trade, but forget Camby was dumped that offseason as well.

Nene was the ultimate just wait guy. He has all the talent you could want, he would go out and put up amazing games, and then he would be persona non grata for days or weeks even. Every time he would put together a couple of good games everybody thought he had finally got it, all offseason everybody thought this is the year he becomes an all star, only to realize a week later he still did not want it as bad as us fans wanted it for him.

I would also put Afflalo on the list, fact of the matter most Nuggets fans expected him to be a top 3 player on the team last year along with Nene and Gallo. Once Gallo went out it was obvious that Afflalo was limited on offense to the point of just being more of a d and 3 guy, except his defense went downhill once Melo was traded so that he became a below average defender and a decent shooter with a very limited game, Not what any of us were thinking he would become.

Another one I also overrated was Chris Andersen, while he was a good energy guy off the bench, and everybody around Denver loved him, he never did crap to shut down any big that was good in the post, and he was close to worthless on offense.


well to be fair, the fact that people even consider him a top 10 player with all the flaws you just mention just proves how overrated he is.. top 10 players usually do the little things, they lead by example and they play defense most of the time.... He is a great streak scorer, never won scoring title, never averaged 30ppg in a season, never shot 50% in a season and only finished second in scoring once.. never made an all NBA first in his career, on either side of the ball.. so again when people talk about him in the same light as other stars, considering everything I just posted, he is overrated, a lot....
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