Nuggets at Warriors Game 3

[The Rebel]

Last night it was even more obvious then ever that the Nuggets need outside shooting, the Warriors are going into that zone and packing the paint, and it seems like the only guys who do not lock up are Lawson and Brewer.

Also why does this team insist on only playing good defense for 1 quarter a game, it is starting to piss me off, Ujiri built this team based on defense at the 2/3 and 5, yet 2s and 3s are the ones always tearing up the defense 3 quarters a game.

Plus as I have said from the start of this season, this team is fully of athletes, some of which are not good at basketball, I know the Nuggets are short on bigs right now with Koufos playing like crap and Mozgov out with his broken thumb, but Anthony Randolph is getting meaningful minutes, while Fournier has gotten benched and limited minutes in the last 2 games? fournier also has played decent defense. I would rather play a lineup made up of the 3 point guards, Fournier, and Iggy then see Randolph back on the court in this or any other playoff series this year.

Even with the stupid mistakes the Nuggets should have won the game last night, they were straight screwed by the refs throughout the game, especially on the time out call that should have been a jump ball, allowing moving screens constantly on the Warriors end while always calling it on the nuggets end, and then Lawson being body blocked to the floor on basically the last play of the game. Those refs straight sucked last night.

[torotoe]

Terrible officiating the past three games. Bogut is a goon, but because he has a reputation as a star C, he gets away with anything. With the way they are calling screens on Denver's bigs, Bogut's six fouls wouldn't last through the third quarter if he was in a baby blue uniform.

Why are Curry, Jack, Thompson and Barnes shooting 60+% TS? Because they get open off blatantly illegal screens. Except barnes... Karl just thinks it is a good idea to not even guard Barnes.

[floppymoose]

Bogut is a goon. He is indeed fouling a lot of folks and not getting called.. not so much on shots or screens (he knows the refs are watching then) but on fighting for rebounding position before the shot.

And goons numbers 2 through 5 in this series are all Nuggets. Brewer, Fournier, Iggy, and Chandler. All those guys are fouling like crazy on the perimeter, pushing, slapping, and grabbing opposing guards, and in Brewer, Fournier, and Iggy's cases have also engaged in acting to try to draw fouls on the opponents. It's not particularly pretty to watch as a fan. I'd rather see a contest of skill. I wish the refs would tighten up on all 5 of those guys. I'm thankful at least that the refs didn't fall for Brewer's "lock and flop" on Curry near the end of game 3. I think the refs were trying to send him a message on the next possession when he tried to act his way into a Curry foul again, and then ran into Landry. He got called there for a foul that I think normally would have been ignored, but the refs were probably sick of him.

[The Rebel]

LOL are you really complaining about the Nuggets being goons? Have you not watched the same series as the rest of us, where the Nuggets are getting called for every foul they commit while the next legal screen any of the Warriors bigs set will be the 1st one this whole series? What Brewer did was dumb, as far as pushing, slapping, and grabbing, the Warriors are just as if not more guilty of the same thing, yet they are getting the whistle and have been the whole series. Here is what some Warriors fans are saying about the refs last night.

I could see he was out of bounds from the view on the television! Seemed like an obvious call to me haha....refs are on the dubs side all day i feel....excitement = $$$.

Wow that could have easily been called a foul... Nice to be on the right side of the whistle tonight...

There was some horrible calls/no-calls in this game. Not all of them went against the Warriors

At least like other fans of Bogut you realize just how bad he is.

Other than KG (they really hate each other) he's tended to be respectful of guys older than him and tried to intimidate younger guys. If you watch any of the highlight videos here you'll see him in the corner of the wcreen doing all sorts of dirty stuff to box out at the basket. He's become much more dodgy since he started getting injured.

Now the fact of the matter is that many of the Nuggets players are taken out of their games when it gets physical, they have had that problem for a while now. Really the only guys who usually play better in physical games are Lawson, Gallo, Mozgov, and Fournier. problem is 2 of the 4 are out with injuries, Fournier is getting a rookie whistle and has a coach that would rather play an ineffective Miller, a spotty at best Brewer, and a terrible Randolph then find minutes for him, and Lawson tried last night but cannot do it all alone. I don't blame the Warriors for playing very physical or some of the Nuggets for trying to match that physicality, I blame the refs for not calling the games straight. If you are going to call moving screens on Koufos, McGee and Faried then you need to call them on the Warriors. If the Nuggets are getting pushes and hacks then call it against the Warriors. If the Nuggets are getting called for hand checking and such then why aren't the Warriors? The fouls are happening on both ends on every play, but if you are calling it one way on one end, then call it the same on the other. I don't know when Curry, Bogut, and Thompson became superstars, but judging by the whistle they are getting they must be, and it personally seems to me that most of the Nuggets are getting the rookie whistle.

[floppymoose]

What Brewer did was dumb, as far as pushing, slapping, and grabbing, the Warriors are just as if not more guilty of the same thing

Umm, no. You are wrong. What's going on out on the perimeter is completely different on these two teams. Every fan base hates their coach in the playoffs after a loss, but you guys should be giving Karl huge credit for having his perimeter players out there taking what the refs will give them in order to shut down the Warrior guards. All that fouling has lead to a lot of Warrior turnovers which has really fueled the Nuggets on both ends of the court.

[GSForever]

This goon is making the difference! Doesn't matter at the end of the series. Real fans know we aren't the old Warriors. And Denver will soon be ousted out of the playoffs. This is the playoffs stop with the sour grapes. Goon this goon that. Faried had a cheap shot on Bogut when Bogut was running back as well.

[Wigginstime]

David Lee getting hurt was the worst thing that could happen to Denver because it gave Karl the green light to play extreme small ball....

Koufos: 14 min
McGee: 14 min
Faried: 33 min
Mozgov: DNP

GS is simply playing small next to us, packing the paint on defense, and turning this into a jump shooting series....

[torotoe]

This goon is making the difference! Doesn't matter at the end of the series. Real fans know we aren't the old Warriors. And Denver will soon be ousted out of the playoffs. This is the playoffs stop with the sour grapes. Goon this goon that. Faried had a cheap shot on Bogut when Bogut was running back as well.

I think GSW will flounder in the 2nd round. This insane performance is a function of the defense. If you know the nuggets' D, you know that they give up the three. That hasn't changed this series, they are just doubling and trapping more on better shooters. Curry goes on his runs when Brewer and Miller are on the floor, probably because they rotate like ****.

Denver-SAS is a better series, because frankly, Denver is still the better team. GSW is the worst matchup possible for this team. GS will get blown out if they make it to the 2nd round.

[pickIBL]

Especially with the Gallo injury it highlights why when you have a decent prospect on your bench (hamilton) you've got to give him some burn in the regular season.

The Harden trade and recent big injury with OKC I see as a crack in the ice. The Lakers imploded. Spurs are getting older. the CBA could very well take care of the heat.

I think after this series most Nuggets posters will start to come around on these issues. First, Hamilton deserved time in the regular season so he could step up after the injury to our main cog. Karl "f"ed up royally there.

We need a new head coach. I'm not going to Karl bash... I'm just saying... there needs to be serious consideration about removing him so that this club can evolve. Sometimes you need a fresh voice & perspective.

Andre Miller needs to go. I'd do everything I could to pack him with McGee. That's how you play the CBA game.

Don't bring brewer back. & if Iggy takes his option no problem. If not don't get locked into a long term deal because he's older than our core and we need shooting at the 2.

Koufos, Faried, Gallo, Lawson, Chandler, Hamilton, Fournier, Q Miller, 2013 1st, 213 2nd, QO to Mozgov (so we can include him in S&T... don't have to retain him)

So that's my extended core 11. Forget that I watch international basketball for a sec and tell me that's not a good idea. it lines us up for a max deal... or offering someone like Favors next summer.

We aren't over the hump... and I wouldn't mind seeing karl gone, mcgee's contract gone, and andre miller off where he will be happier as the nuggets focus on the core.

[The Rebel]

Especially with the Gallo injury it highlights why when you have a decent prospect on your bench (hamilton) you've got to give him some burn in the regular season.

The Harden trade and recent big injury with OKC I see as a crack in the ice. The Lakers imploded. Spurs are getting older. the CBA could very well take care of the heat.

I think after this series most Nuggets posters will start to come around on these issues. First, Hamilton deserved time in the regular season so he could step up after the injury to our main cog. Karl "f"ed up royally there.

We need a new head coach. I'm not going to Karl bash... I'm just saying... there needs to be serious consideration about removing him so that this club can evolve. Sometimes you need a fresh voice & perspective.

Andre Miller needs to go. I'd do everything I could to pack him with McGee. That's how you play the CBA game.

Don't bring brewer back. & if Iggy takes his option no problem. If not don't get locked into a long term deal because he's older than our core and we need shooting at the 2.

Koufos, Faried, Gallo, Lawson, Chandler, Hamilton, Fournier, Q Miller, 2013 1st, 213 2nd, QO to Mozgov (so we can include him in S&T... don't have to retain him)

So that's my extended core 11. Forget that I watch international basketball for a sec and tell me that's not a good idea. it lines us up for a max deal... or offering someone like Favors next summer.

We aren't over the hump... and I wouldn't mind seeing karl gone, mcgee's contract gone, and andre miller off where he will be happier as the nuggets focus on the core.

People give you crap about the international stuff, because you are constantly pulling for the Nuggets to destroy the team to take risks on international players, which given the history of struggles for some international players is the equivalent of trading good young players for mediocre draft picks.

There have been several of us complaining about Karl refusing to develop Hamilton and Fournier, both of those guys would make a huge difference in this series without Gallo, as the Warriors are allowed to pack the paint and basically rest on defense.

As for your core, I would have no problem with that core, although I have a problem with planning on getting Favors next year, the Jazz are not going to let him walk without giving him every chance to succeed after trading Williams for him. I could see them matching a max deal for the guy, and do not believe he should get a max deal.

[pickIBL]

As for your core, I would have no problem with that core, although I have a problem with planning on getting Favors next year, the Jazz are not going to let him walk without giving him every chance to succeed after trading Williams for him. I could see them matching a max deal for the guy, and do not believe he should get a max deal.

I think you are confused. You like my core... and yet i am wanting to blow up the team for international players? Well I have always been pretty straight forward about supporting this core while recognizing what is going on overseas as well. My trade proposals were focused on Dre, McGee, and Iggy. So let's keep you accurate.

I do however throw my support behind letting Brewer walk, letting Iggy opt out & walk (or S&T in the right deal), and trading McGee & Andre.

As for Favors. For him to get true max money he needs to be an all-star. the only way he does that is to play big minutes a night as a CENTER. That aint happening in Utah. I think Utah has to choose between Kanter and Favors assuming Favors has the aspirations to be a star in this league. And I happen to favor Favors way more than McGee. If we are going to pay a BIG... I'd be in the pro favors camp. I think a S&T or something could go down if Favors wants to force the issue. If Deron can... Favors can too.

And you always have to consider being in the game for MAX contract guys if you have the space. We'd have a lot of talent to go along with a lot of space... so that makes us players.

[tasball]

At least like other fans of Bogut you realize just how bad he is.

Other than KG (they really hate each other) he's tended to be respectful of guys older than him and tried to intimidate younger guys. If you watch any of the highlight videos here you'll see him in the corner of the wcreen doing all sorts of dirty stuff to box out at the basket. He's become much more dodgy since he started getting injured.

Oh please....don't know whether your statement or Aussie#uck's quote is the biggest piece of B.S.