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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#41 » by andremiller96 » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:28 am

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andremiller96 wrote:Gallo is a shooter, and not a very good one. Shooting is not what has made this team so successful. Now, if Faried went down, or Mcgee, or Dre, or Iggy, or Koufos, then I would be very worried, because they are the ones who are scoring in the paint, forcing turnovers, defending, running the floor, blocking shots, getting offensive rebounds, and penetrating the opponents defense. Gallinari does none of this, and this is why him going down is the best thing that could have happened to them this year. You mark my words, just wait. Come playoffs, WIlson Chandler is going to hit some big shots, and make some great drives to the basket, and all you Gallo worshipers who know nothin but stats are gonna be hiding in the dark with your tail between your legs :)


those other guys have room to cut and slash and get to the rim because there's at least one respected shooter on the court in gallo. without someone to spread the court teams can really just sprint back to the paint on defense and stay there.

it's a big reason why with dre & brewer on the court, the halfcourt offense typically becomes absolutely dismal, filled with dre iso post ups and brewer untimely chucking 3's.

believe me, i'm no gallo homer. i wish he'd play more aggressive (which unfortunately is what got him injured). i wish he'd refine his ~15 foot post game like dirk to take advantage of shorter/faster players. with his size he should be a better rebounder. but we will miss a lot without him. he has been damn clutch all season and does have a big impact on the game even if you can't see it every possession.

the saving grace is that wilson chandler is a baller. he'd start on most teams in the league, it seems like he's improved his perimeter shot since previous years, if not lawson...he's probably the best drive-and-score player on the team....great variety of euro-step and soft-shots around the paint. the time in china may have helped him become a better go-to/iso scorer. he brings a different dimension to the team...not necessarily better, but different and perhaps equally beneficial. wouldn't surprise me to see him average 20ppg in ~34 minutes the rest of the way.

and fournier seems like the real deal as well. and its vital to this team to have another guy on the court who can knock down perimeter shots consistently.


Agree with everything you just said right there. But I think Gallinari is just terribly inefficient and Chandler should be getting his minutes, and will now that he is injured, which is why this Gallo injury is a godsend in disguise
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#42 » by corona » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:22 am

andremiller96 wrote:Agree with everything you just said right there. But I think Gallinari is just terribly inefficient and Chandler should be getting his minutes, and will now that he is injured, which is why this Gallo injury is a godsend in disguise

he has the most offensive win shares on the team, and the best TS% of nuggets players who take any shots outside 10 feet (not faried/mcgee/koufos).....and for some reason this season has been his worst in terms of shooting efficiency.

the team can certainly be effective without him, and still make a deep playoff run. but it's not a godsend or benefit that he got injured....that's just silly. if you said that about corey brewer, you might have a case....because statistically as the most inefficient player/shooter on the team who gets regular (and important) minutes, he takes the most shots and nearly the most 3 point attempts despite shooting just 30%.
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#43 » by darivo » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:50 am

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Andre Miller doesn't slow down the offense per say, he controls it and sets the tempo in relation to the game situation. He plays smart basketball, the way the game should be played. He moves the ball up the court by passing it instead of walking it, throws ally oops, and gets the ball to the open man immediately after the opposing team misses a shot.



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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#44 » by The Rebel » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:37 pm

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The Rebel wrote:You want Eric Gordon why? Do the Nuggets not have enough injury prone players? Why not add an injury prone guy who makes a max salary as well.


http://www.hornets247.com/2013/02/18/an ... y-history/

So to break things down, he has missed games because of:
•Hamstring tightness (1)
•Sprained left big toe (2)
•Left shoulder bruise (6)
•Precautionary/rest/sickness (10)
•Strained groin (13)
•Right wrist/hand injury (24)
•Right knee injury (86)

The goal of this outline is not to push fans in one way or the other in regards to their opinions regarding Eric Gordon’s future in New Orleans, but merely to make them aware of what has ailed Gordon throughout his 4 1/2 year NBA career.


If they take back McGee and say Andre Miller I think there is something to discuss there. Gordon is only 24 so it is possible for him to bounce back from this. And Denver is a pretty decent fit for his offensive skills. I think this deal makes more sense if Iggy opts out. I'd rather go with the 24 year old.

Klay Thompson would be a better choice. I'd go that route first. Hell I'd take Afflalo back too. But we need a 2 guard next year... with Gallo down especially we need the shooting.


Gordon missed over 29 games per season on average, people complain about Gallo and Chandler being injury prone Gallo has missed a little over 24 games per season despite missing most of his rookie season with a back injury, and chandler has missed less then 20 games per season from injury. You can make any excuse you want to about injuries but when a guy finds ways to miss almost 30 games per season he is injury prone.

Add to that Gordon's terrible attitude and his max contract, and I would rather pay Brewer a full MLE deal to split time with Fournier.
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#45 » by The Rebel » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:47 pm

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HotrodBeaubois wrote:Sorry to hear about Gallos injury

Since his recovery will last for most of next season would you be interested in a Brewer sign and trade for Marions expiring Contract ? Marion could fill in for Gallo while he's hurt and then expire next year or traded at the deadline after Gallo returns?


I would rather have Brewer back.

I was just going by if Iggy comes back you will probably be a taxpayer for the length oh his contract so you might not be able top afford Brewer . Marion expires next year so you get him for the time you need him then you drop under the tax.


Dallas should have never gifted Brewer to you guys


Why would denver be a tax payer if they resign Iggy? If Iggy is getting a paycut then they have room to resign Brewer, get their picks signed, and will probably still have a little room under the tax, if he does not take a paycut then the Nuggets will have plenty of room, as I do not see the Nuggets signing him to a long term deal paying anywhere close to what he is making now.
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#46 » by The Rebel » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:04 pm

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Andre Miller doesn't slow down the offense per say, he controls it and sets the tempo in relation to the game situation. He plays smart basketball, the way the game should be played. He moves the ball up the court by passing it instead of walking it, throws ally oops, and gets the ball to the open man immediately after the opposing team misses a shot.


LOL, Andre Miller does not slow down the offense but Gallo does? Andre Miller loves to play at his pace, it is one of the reasons that the starters for the Nuggets have had so much trouble since Lawson went down. Miller loves to half walk half jog up the court with the ball in his hands, allowing opposing defenses to get set, now without either Gallo or Lawson on the court to spread the floor, it is killing the Nuggets half court offense. As Chandler gets more respect from outside maybe he can help that problem, but until then the Nuggets need Gallo much more then Miller.

One thing to look at is the fact that the Nuggets are 14-15 or a 48.2 winning percentage when Gallo is out of the lineup over the last 2 years, with Gallo in the lineup they are 63-40 or a 61.2 winning percentage. Now having Chandler healthy and fournier emerging will help that, but a 13% point spread over 2 years is a big margin and enough to show the Nuggets are and have been clearly better with Gallo on the court.
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#47 » by andremiller96 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:38 am

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andremiller96 wrote:
Andre Miller doesn't slow down the offense per say, he controls it and sets the tempo in relation to the game situation. He plays smart basketball, the way the game should be played. He moves the ball up the court by passing it instead of walking it, throws ally oops, and gets the ball to the open man immediately after the opposing team misses a shot.


LOL, Andre Miller does not slow down the offense but Gallo does? Andre Miller loves to play at his pace, it is one of the reasons that the starters for the Nuggets have had so much trouble since Lawson went down. Miller loves to half walk half jog up the court with the ball in his hands, allowing opposing defenses to get set, now without either Gallo or Lawson on the court to spread the floor, it is killing the Nuggets half court offense. As Chandler gets more respect from outside maybe he can help that problem, but until then the Nuggets need Gallo much more then Miller.

One thing to look at is the fact that the Nuggets are 14-15 or a 48.2 winning percentage when Gallo is out of the lineup over the last 2 years, with Gallo in the lineup they are 63-40 or a 61.2 winning percentage. Now having Chandler healthy and fournier emerging will help that, but a 13% point spread over 2 years is a big margin and enough to show the Nuggets are and have been clearly better with Gallo on the court.


Those numbers and advanced stats can be so deceiving. You never know what they can mean. And haven't you noticed that when dre walks the ball up the court, he usually drives to the lane and tries to score? It's his iso play, but sometimes he thinks he can find something better and doesnt try to score, which can sometimes result in him slowing down the offense. And Denver only lost 2 games since Lawson left, and one of those losses was only by 1 point IN San Antonio, where there were some questionable calls in the spurs favor....I get you that Dre sometimes messes with the Nuggets run and gun athletic philosophy, but he does far more good than bad. A lot of his shots are drives to the basket, or runners in the lane, and he usually makes sure an offensive rebounder is available in case he misses, and Mcgee and Koufos and Faried have picked up many of his shots that always seem to fumble out of the basket around the rim. It's a great offensive weapon, and he can pass too. He provides balance and experience
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#48 » by The Rebel » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:04 am

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The Rebel wrote:
andremiller96 wrote:
Andre Miller doesn't slow down the offense per say, he controls it and sets the tempo in relation to the game situation. He plays smart basketball, the way the game should be played. He moves the ball up the court by passing it instead of walking it, throws ally oops, and gets the ball to the open man immediately after the opposing team misses a shot.


LOL, Andre Miller does not slow down the offense but Gallo does? Andre Miller loves to play at his pace, it is one of the reasons that the starters for the Nuggets have had so much trouble since Lawson went down. Miller loves to half walk half jog up the court with the ball in his hands, allowing opposing defenses to get set, now without either Gallo or Lawson on the court to spread the floor, it is killing the Nuggets half court offense. As Chandler gets more respect from outside maybe he can help that problem, but until then the Nuggets need Gallo much more then Miller.

One thing to look at is the fact that the Nuggets are 14-15 or a 48.2 winning percentage when Gallo is out of the lineup over the last 2 years, with Gallo in the lineup they are 63-40 or a 61.2 winning percentage. Now having Chandler healthy and fournier emerging will help that, but a 13% point spread over 2 years is a big margin and enough to show the Nuggets are and have been clearly better with Gallo on the court.


Those numbers and advanced stats can be so deceiving. You never know what they can mean. And haven't you noticed that when dre walks the ball up the court, he usually drives to the lane and tries to score? It's his iso play, but sometimes he thinks he can find something better and doesnt try to score, which can sometimes result in him slowing down the offense. And Denver only lost 2 games since Lawson left, and one of those losses was only by 1 point IN San Antonio, where there were some questionable calls in the spurs favor....I get you that Dre sometimes messes with the Nuggets run and gun athletic philosophy, but he does far more good than bad. A lot of his shots are drives to the basket, or runners in the lane, and he usually makes sure an offensive rebounder is available in case he misses, and Mcgee and Koufos and Faried have picked up many of his shots that always seem to fumble out of the basket around the rim. It's a great offensive weapon, and he can pass too. He provides balance and experience


Oh yes win/loss and advanced stats are deceiving, but a guy irrationally slamming someone while hyping a guy who happens to have the same name as his user name has absolutely no bias and his views are 100% the truth.
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#49 » by pickIBL » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:53 pm

Andre Miller is on the way out and he thinks he should be starting for a contender.
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#50 » by andremiller96 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:25 am

pickIBL wrote:Andre Miller is on the way out and he thinks he should be starting for a contender.


He is one of the best back up points in the league, if not thee best. i can't think of anybody better actually, can you? His numbers are great too. he actually probably shoots better than 50% if you factor in the fact that he times his shots to increase the chance of an offensive rebound by knowing where his big are. his shots roll off the rim if they miss, they aren't big rebounds, so they lead to a lot of put backs and offensive rebounds. his post game is unparelled by a point guard, which scares the **** out of defenses. it confuses them, because they know he's looking for a passer, and they have to scramble if he fakes a pass inside, but through it out to the perimeter. he does so many little things that arent noticed. you have to have actually played basketball to truly appreciate his game.
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#51 » by Ironman7 » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:44 am

Sorry to hear about Gallo,
Wish him a full recovery

btw, Chandler had a great game against the spurs

Miller is one of my favorite player in the league, but he does instill an old man game in a youthful team that needs to run, and with Lawson out for the time being, Miller will have to do. Hes one of the best back up PGs in the league, wish we had him instead of Mike James...
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Re: Gallo out for season+, Torn ACL 

Post#52 » by corona » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:49 am

and it turns out it wasn't an ACL tear. amazing

said in a facebook video today (in italian) they did a 'healing response treatment' thing instead. recovery time should be much quicker. (albeit probably not until 2014 that we see him.....but way better than a torn acl)

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