Refreshed Vision of our Nuggets

pickaxe · Post #1 » by **pickaxe** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:20 pm

Ok. It's too early this a.m. to paint a perfect picture.....that's where all of you come in.

Seems to all of us that there are various pieces to this team that are big ? question marks. If they were all sound and in tact, perhaps we really do have the pieces we want. Idk, that's my humble opinion. Wishful, but also in reality thinking of all the work it takes to get all the right players in the Denver locker room in the first place.

So, let's do a poll here. Without a clear direction we could be doing like 100 permutations of 10 different goals and end up with a boring product that doesn't inspire or motivate.

Can we agree upon some basics:

1) We embarked on a journey already to get past the formulaic 1st round of the playoffs exit by removing GK.
2) We liked the product post-Melo, but seem to be complaining ad-nauseum about not having a Melo level talent (imo Gallo)
3) The glue guys that held the pieces together are and have been injured long enough to negate any and all momentum this team was operating under.

Ok, so......where do we want to go. Forget names. Forget specific players. Those conversations could go on for weeks. Let's just maybe think of the type of team we absolutely want that not only aesthetically pleases us, but does the nitty gritty and wins games and has the ability to push past initial successes.

Powder Blue · Post #2 » by **Powder Blue** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:53 am

Nice concept for a post...

Given that half the games the Nuggets play are a mile above sea-level it only makes sense to try and play fast and wear teams out. At the same time fundamentally basketball games slow down at the end and in the playoffs so a strictly running team would not be built to win in the postseason.

Based on your choices above i'm going with defend and run. I'm not a huge advanced stats guy but the way the league is played now you want layups and 3's. It's hard to be successful taking a lot of midrange jumpers. The layups are a product of running and good ball movement whereas the 3's are a product ultimately tied to good outside shooting. Our offense right now seems to be pick and roll, post-up and a lot of sloppy one-on-one. I don't see a lot of ball movement or moving without the ball.

I've been a Shaw supporter but that support is at an all-time low. I know he's only got one 7 footer right now but his rotations are bad and he continues to play guys together that are statistically terrible. He's also done a poor job at getting this team to play consistenty and ultimately that's his job. These blowouts that happen every few weeks are uncalled for. Whatever he's tried to do here isn't working, curious to see when/if Josh thinks it's time to go in a different direction.

pickaxe · Post #3 » by **pickaxe** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:09 am

It is really sloppy on the offensive end. I see a lot of partial penetration and weak passes.....sticky hands, hesitation, etc. This makes it impossible to complete the points off of turnovers. All it's doing is making our guys run a lap with nothing to show for it.

I checked the on court/off court stats and Wilson and J.J. are defensively decent but overall our lineups are more successful when they are off the court. In fact our greatest losing streak seem to be when J.J. gets a thirty minute game....he's helping is more at 15min or less in a support role. Wilson can improve his overall +/- but he needs to step up his offensive game.

Danilo is the sole player with the greatest impact when he is not on the court. We are a losing team when he is not playing. Wilson's talented but somehow I get the feeling he's holding back.

StunnaStan · Post #4 » by **StunnaStan** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:48 pm

If the nuggets had the grizzlies defensive grittyness and the fluidity of ball movement like spurs/hawks then they'd be a real threat. Regardless of what direction we go in now though, I don't think our roster will do any better or worse because being undersized at every position is still going to lead to defensive breakdowns. Atm, we're a slow paced half court team that stresses defense yet our bigs have no post moves whatsoever and our best defenders get burned themselves. Changing the roster and style of play go hand in hand unless your a team that is a move or 2 away from a chip

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eathb_au · Post #5 » by **eathb_au** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:54 am

We have the roster to play any style. I think we just play slow and run a bunch of isos because we play Hickson a lot as he doesn't have any assets to play a faster style.

pickaxe · Post #6 » by **pickaxe** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:17 am

Hickson man. Addition by subtraction. I'm going to point to his performance with Lebron .....he's been in the Conf. Finals and he folded and he doesn't seem to have anything to prove. Subtract him.

If Nurk's our rim blocker he needs to be in down the stretch and blocking out that damn rim. No one is.

J.J. HICKSON isn't doing **** to box out and protect the rim in the final minutes of games. So, what is he in there for to take up a lot of space a more energetic player could take up?

StunnaStan · Post #7 » by **StunnaStan** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:59 am

^ lmao jj hickson must be blackmailing shaw for minutes. As soon as he touches the ball, a black hole form's

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pickIBL · Post #8 » by **pickIBL** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:17 am

Whatever happens won't get fixed short-term. Danilo going down was the beginning of the end. I would keep Lawson around. I would keep Faried around. And I'd keep Harris and Nurkic. Those are the only contracts around past next year.

Denver is a run and gun team. You can thank Doug Moe for that. It's the coach that has to go. His style just doesn't work here. It doesn't work with Faried or Lawson. The right kind of coach is probably a Hoiberg type with a good defensive mind as an assistant.

pickaxe · Post #9 » by **pickaxe** » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:09 pm

pickIBL wrote:Whatever happens won't get fixed short-term. Danilo going down was the beginning of the end. I would keep Lawson around. I would keep Faried around. And I'd keep Harris and Nurkic. Those are the only contracts around past next year.

Denver is a run and gun team. You can thank Doug Moe for that. It's the coach that has to go. His style just doesn't work here. It doesn't work with Faried or Lawson. The right kind of coach is probably a Hoiberg type with a good defensive mind as an assistant.

Here's the thing: I want to see Shaw's mettle. What is he going to do when he is down 2-1 in the playoffs. By all accounts, he will fold easily. So what are we doing? We still hate Karl because he had to battle cancer?

We took a path post 57 wins and we thought we were sooooo smart and we are TOO STUBBORN to admit we made a costly choice.

We still have 90% of the players on that 57 win team. I'd rather 'experiment' with the guy that got us those 57 wins without Melo. What is it going to hurt? 1-2 seasons if we fail under Karl we have a legit excuse to rebuild finally.

Cancer is a bitch and so are people who don't support cancer survivors. Ya get what you support. You're supporting Shaw. This losing record is what ya get.

skywalker33 · Post #10 » by **skywalker33** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:56 am

pickaxe wrote:
pickIBL wrote:Whatever happens won't get fixed short-term. Danilo going down was the beginning of the end. I would keep Lawson around. I would keep Faried around. And I'd keep Harris and Nurkic. Those are the only contracts around past next year.

Denver is a run and gun team. You can thank Doug Moe for that. It's the coach that has to go. His style just doesn't work here. It doesn't work with Faried or Lawson. The right kind of coach is probably a Hoiberg type with a good defensive mind as an assistant.

Here's the thing: I want to see Shaw's mettle. What is he going to do when he is down 2-1 in the playoffs. By all accounts, he will fold easily. So what are we doing? We still hate Karl because he had to battle cancer?

We took a path post 57 wins and we thought we were sooooo smart and we are TOO STUBBORN to admit we made a costly choice.

We still have 90% of the players on that 57 win team. I'd rather 'experiment' with the guy that got us those 57 wins without Melo. What is it going to hurt? 1-2 seasons if we fail under Karl we have a legit excuse to rebuild finally.

Cancer is a bitch and so are people who don't support cancer survivors. Ya get what you support. You're supporting Shaw. This losing record is what ya get.

Please...I liked GK too but he had no clue about winning in the playoffs, he wasn't fired because he had cancer. For you to even equate his firing for that reason is stupid !!! Geeezzzzz :crazy:

pickIBL · Post #11 » by **pickIBL** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:11 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
pickaxe wrote:
pickIBL wrote:Whatever happens won't get fixed short-term. Danilo going down was the beginning of the end. I would keep Lawson around. I would keep Faried around. And I'd keep Harris and Nurkic. Those are the only contracts around past next year.

Denver is a run and gun team. You can thank Doug Moe for that. It's the coach that has to go. His style just doesn't work here. It doesn't work with Faried or Lawson. The right kind of coach is probably a Hoiberg type with a good defensive mind as an assistant.

Here's the thing: I want to see Shaw's mettle. What is he going to do when he is down 2-1 in the playoffs. By all accounts, he will fold easily. So what are we doing? We still hate Karl because he had to battle cancer?

We took a path post 57 wins and we thought we were sooooo smart and we are TOO STUBBORN to admit we made a costly choice.

We still have 90% of the players on that 57 win team. I'd rather 'experiment' with the guy that got us those 57 wins without Melo. What is it going to hurt? 1-2 seasons if we fail under Karl we have a legit excuse to rebuild finally.

Cancer is a bitch and so are people who don't support cancer survivors. Ya get what you support. You're supporting Shaw. This losing record is what ya get.

Please...I liked GK too but he had no clue about winning in the playoffs, he wasn't fired because he had cancer. For you to even equate his firing for that reason is stupid !!! Geeezzzzz

I seriously would suggest moving on and dealing with reality. The reality is the Nuggets have dealt with major injury issues. GK turned out to be a much better fit for the team than Shaw. Now you have to move on. The team's core is clearly Lawson and Faried. The team's style is clearly run and gun. The team's coach clearly does not fit that. So go find a coach that fits.