Blow it up and build with Billups as the GM

[skywalker33]

Beal would be great, but we have no realistic chance of getting him. Even if the Wizards don't match, we won't be the only team with max money to throw at him.

This thread seems like an early overreaction to what everyone knew was going to be a rough couple months to start the season. The losses suck to watch, but I'd say these are the results we should be looking for. Our young guys have looked good but we're still losing and putting ourselves in position for (at least) another lottery pick.

The problem, along with the injuries, is that our veterans (Nelson, Foye, Hickson, Arthur, Miller) are absolutely worthless. The guys that are supposed to be leading and setting examples for the young guys are garbage on the floor. Trading Gallo and Faried for even more youth and draft picks doesn't help, it just makes us the Sixers of the West and that's not the right strategy IMO.

I've been relatively happy with the way TC has built this team through the draft. I have far more confidence in him continuing to do so with our plethora of draft picks than I do in giving Chauncey the keys and hoping his name is enough to lure some big name free agents.

We don't have a plethora of picks. Right now in 2016 we'll only have our own pick. No pick swap because the Knicks are playing well, no Blazers or Rockets picks because they are playing bad. Maybe we'll get that Rockets one back.

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Nuggets.htm

Well, both POR and HOU are within one game of the playoffs. I'm of the belief that HOU will make the playoffs, they're easily more talented than MIN or UTH right now, DH12 is still recovering from injury, DoMo will help when he comes back and they're adjusting to Bickerstaff's way of play. POR is see fading, but we still have opportunity to get their pick next year which isn't the case with HOU. That we only have opportunity to get those 1st on such short time frames IS lack of GM skills I am in agreement with. If we don't get the HOU 1st THIS year, it becomes POR 2017 2nd (or essentially a swap for it since we "gave" them our 2017 in the deal ) which really is terrible value even at the time . A real GM would have give 2-3 drafts, not being so short-sighted and impatient. I also think TC didn't take into consideration LMA's pending free agency which led to a POR rebuild, again not looking ahead when making that trade, else he was just taken advantage of, neither quality I like in my GM.

I do think Chancey would have been a bit more saavy, but I do like the drafting the FO has been doing recently, whether it's TC/JK or our scouting dept is realistically up for debate. And honestly, the Kroenke's are notorious for low-balling and limiting our GM's, have to take that into view as well. Not even sure TC gets re-signed, it really is up in the air IMO.

As for trading vets, Faried seems the most likely to be moved given what we have in our big man rotation as compared to our SF/wings. But his market is really small, hope Josh Kroenke has Masai's number on speed-dial.

[The Rebel]

Here is the question that I wonder, do we really trust Josh and TC to get a decent deal in any trade, especially right now? Between totally misreading the Igoudala situation, that Lawson deal, and trading Fournier for Afflalo TC has had as many bad or iffy deals as he has good deals like Afflalo for Barton and a future 1st, Mozgov given his terrible play last year, getting anything for Nate Robinson at that point, trading back with the Bulls. I just do not know if we want him out there making another deal with a bigger name player.

[skywalker33]

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Granted, the Connelly/Kronke gm tandem is hit-or-miss, but who is going to take over for them that's better, more proven ?? I LOVED Chauncey as a player, but can ANYONE say for sure he wouldn't be making the same (or worse) inexperienced mistakes TC has made ??

[tstrick33]

I like TC, he's not afraid to jump into big deals. I don't blame him for the Lawson trade. We had to dump him and the $25m we cleared up is the best we could hope for given the situation. He's been on target in terms of the draft.

TC needs to make a strong trade offer to the next team who puts a star or potential leader on the block. We have enough assets to get just about any deal done. I think everyone's dream situation would be a sign and trade with Beal, but I can't see any way Washington gives him up.

Nuggets are frustrating to figure out what path to go down.

[The Rebel]

my problem with the Lawson deal is that they did not pull the trigger when they were getting real offers for him. If the rumors that reportedly came out right after the deal are even partially true the Nuggets knew they needed to move him long before they did. The right time to trade him was after the Denver DUI, if not then they should have moved him during the draft when there were reportedly still deals for 1st round picks on the table, waiting until that 2nd dui and while he was in rehab was a huge mistake, and could end up netting out nothing more than money, which is infuriating to me as a fan of the team, especially considering how many other money deals this team has made over the years.

Going after every star out there is not the secret, every report I have read was that the Twolves liked the Nuggets offer more than the Cavs deal to get Kevin Love, but Love refused to come here. He is not the 1st one I have heard that about. Like it or not even with guaranteed contracts you cannot force an NBA player to come to Denver if he is not interested.

The guys they need to find are guys who are 2nd or 3rd tier young guys who have the chance to breakout with more touches and a team built around them. Like the deal the Rockets used to get Hardin, but the problem is those guys are not exactly growing on trees, and the ones out there are only being traded when the teams have to. I mentioned Beal earlier as the Wizards refused to max him out last summer, and I think he still has room to grow with a team that has bigs that can kick out to him and allow him to play his game.

[skywalker33]

So what would it take to get Beal ?? Harris, Hickson, HOU 1st & POR 1st ?? Would WAS bite on that ? Would DEN offer that ?

[The Rebel]

So what would it take to get Beal ?? Harris, Hickson, HOU 1st & POR 1st ?? Would WAS bite on that ? Would DEN offer that ?

I am sure it would take more than that, Beal even expiring with restricted free agency next summer is worth more than that type of deal. I would give Faried and Foye and maybe even Harris if I had to and they would do that, even if it took one of those 2 picks. The only guys I would not give up are any of the 3 young bigs, Gallo, and our pick.

[skywalker33]

So what would it take to get Beal ?? Harris, Hickson, HOU 1st & POR 1st ?? Would WAS bite on that ? Would DEN offer that ?

I am sure it would take more than that, Beal even expiring with restricted free agency next summer is worth more than that type of deal. I would give Faried and Foye and maybe even Harris if I had to and they would do that, even if it took one of those 2 picks. The only guys I would not give up are any of the 3 young bigs, Gallo, and our pick.

I would gladly do that too but part of the reason they haven't signed Beal yet is they want to keep finances available to make a run at Durant and adding Faried would diminish those available resources. I know they have needs for competent bigs but Durant would still be their top goal. Harris is on a rookie contract, Hickson would be an expiring but has played well this season and the HOU pick is looking to be around the 15-20th pick and the POR pick is still a decent value right now. Harris though has shown a big step up in his 2nd season and should be a nice piece of the puzzle, either for the Nuggets or another team, he's looking to become an elite-level defender.

[The Rebel]

From what I can find the Wizards have about $49.5 million in committed salary for next year with cap holds for Beal and another rookie I would put them at about $59 m in salary as is, plus they have about $5.5 m in non guaranteed money. So you may be right they would not want much guaranteed money for next year, although they will have a hard time convincing Durant to leave a team like the Thunder who are stacked for a team with declining bigs and a very limited bench like they would have left after signing Durant.

[Powder Blue]

Back to TC and his signings..

The Barton 3 for $10 mil isn't looking too back but Nelson on the books for 2 more years at 5 per along with Arthur having a 3 mil player option look like dumb signings only a few months after the deals were done. I get the cap is going up but they're still taking up cap space and roster spots while not getting any better as players.

If Foye or JJ are extended I'll jump off a cliff.

[The Rebel]

Back to TC and his signings..

The Barton 3 for $10 mil isn't looking too back but Nelson on the books for 2 more years at 5 per along with Arthur having a 3 mil player option look like dumb signings only a few months after the deals were done. I get the cap is going up but they're still taking up cap space and roster spots while not getting any better as players.

If Foye or JJ are extended I'll jump off a cliff.

After last night I am all for firing TC just based on signing those 2 in the 1st place and picking up the option on Foye when we have plenty of young Sgs was another bad decision. Hickson looked horrific last night, and somehow Foye had a -18 despite only playing 17 minutes, and yet the team keeps them and the coaches play them.

[skywalker33]

Well, honestly, isn't that on Malone ?? He could've/should've started Jokic and isn't Harris cleared of concussion protocols yet ?? Maybe there is a little more tanking going on than we are lead to believe.

[StunnaStan]

Back to TC and his signings..

The Barton 3 for $10 mil isn't looking too back but Nelson on the books for 2 more years at 5 per along with Arthur having a 3 mil player option look like dumb signings only a few months after the deals were done. I get the cap is going up but they're still taking up cap space and roster spots while not getting any better as players.

If Foye or JJ are extended I'll jump off a cliff.

After last night I am all for firing TC just based on signing those 2 in the 1st place and picking up the option on Foye when we have plenty of young Sgs was another bad decision. Hickson looked horrific last night, and somehow Foye had a -18 despite only playing 17 minutes, and yet the team keeps them and the coaches play them.

This might be the first time i can agree with you although i haven't watched a single nug game for the first time in 15 seasons this season. When they decide to do a real rebuild and fire tc, ill start repping the nuggs again