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Post#21 » by 303_Nuggets » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:42 am

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The Rebel wrote:I do not see Joffrey becoming and allstar but I do see him being a very good 3rd big or 5th starter type. I do however see Gary Harris being a good starting SG long term.

Also I do not see the point in trading for Cousins in the near future, why not see what you have with the young bigs and let the backcourt have time to develop before you go adding a player that is either going to demand to win now or force his way out in 2 years.



I've always thought you were on the fence when it comes to Harris, what you've seen this season leads you to believe Harris can be a starting 2? Where do you put him, Top 10/15/20? To me he still seems in over his head (and undersized) at the starting SG spot.

Right now I see him about average at starting SG (sorry state of the league) and he may end up working himself into the top 10 but never an all star type. The thing is he is okay on offense but an outstanding defender someone slightly undersized and as young as he is.

Harris has a problem.. he has great fundementals, but he lacks consistency. Well let me rephrase that, the entire nuggets team lacks consistency.
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Re: Nuggets need to make moves! 

Post#22 » by skywalker33 » Sat Jan 9, 2016 6:10 am

Most young player have a consistency problem....and Harris is only in his 2nd year. Made some serious strides from his rookie season let's see what the next season brings.
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Re: Nuggets need to make moves! 

Post#23 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Jan 9, 2016 7:57 am

C's fan- one of our insiders claimed that we wanted to trade Sullinger, David Lee and a 1st over the summer for Gallo, and that your FO's counter was Lee (expiring), Kelly Olynyk and James Young.

Given how your season and ours are playing out, what do you think is fair value for Gallinari now?
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Post#24 » by josh_nuggets » Sat Jan 9, 2016 11:22 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:C's fan- one of our insiders claimed that we wanted to trade Sullinger, David Lee and a 1st over the summer for Gallo, and that your FO's counter was Lee (expiring), Kelly Olynyk and James Young.

Given how your season and ours are playing out, what do you think is fair value for Gallinari now?


i highly doubt our FO would have been happy and offered gallo for Lee. Kelly Olynyk and James Young

gallos avergaing over 20 in january and just under 19 for the season, i dont think theres enough pieces to warrant moving gallo to tthe celtics... the only trade i would give gallo away in is to get a 'star' player.. somone who can play at all star level, and be able to put the team on his back and be that one guy who can give with the ball to and iso him with 10 seconds left to go and win a game.... u could argue issiah thomas is that kinda guy, but i dont think we have a need for him
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Post#25 » by The Rebel » Sat Jan 9, 2016 1:32 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:C's fan- one of our insiders claimed that we wanted to trade Sullinger, David Lee and a 1st over the summer for Gallo, and that your FO's counter was Lee (expiring), Kelly Olynyk and James Young.

Given how your season and ours are playing out, what do you think is fair value for Gallinari now?


As Josh said I do not see either of those deals being even close to working for the Nuggets. The problem is it is based on the Nuggets getting back 2 bigs, and considering the Nuggets knew Jokic was coming over in April, just signed Joffrey in March, had Nurkic who was so impressive as a rookie, and already had FAried and Hickson on the roster it makes no sense they would be wanting 2 more bigs expiring or not.

Also I believe that Gallo's value has went up, they extended his contract and he has been playing very well this year.
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Re: Nuggets need to make moves! 

Post#26 » by Powder Blue » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:20 pm

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The Rebel wrote:I do not see Joffrey becoming and allstar but I do see him being a very good 3rd big or 5th starter type. I do however see Gary Harris being a good starting SG long term.

Also I do not see the point in trading for Cousins in the near future, why not see what you have with the young bigs and let the backcourt have time to develop before you go adding a player that is either going to demand to win now or force his way out in 2 years.



I've always thought you were on the fence when it comes to Harris, what you've seen this season leads you to believe Harris can be a starting 2? Where do you put him, Top 10/15/20? To me he still seems in over his head (and undersized) at the starting SG spot.

Right now I see him about average at starting SG (sorry state of the league) and he may end up working himself into the top 10 but never an all star type. The thing is he is okay on offense but an outstanding defender someone slightly undersized and as young as he is.


Got cha, I suppose it depends on the makeup of the team. I'm ok with a 3-D starting 2 if we're getting scoring at the 1. Being that we aren't I wish Harris was more creative offensively. I still feel like it's ok to bring in some competition at that SG spot.
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Post#27 » by 303_Nuggets » Sat Jan 9, 2016 3:23 pm

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I've always thought you were on the fence when it comes to Harris, what you've seen this season leads you to believe Harris can be a starting 2? Where do you put him, Top 10/15/20? To me he still seems in over his head (and undersized) at the starting SG spot.

Right now I see him about average at starting SG (sorry state of the league) and he may end up working himself into the top 10 but never an all star type. The thing is he is okay on offense but an outstanding defender someone slightly undersized and as young as he is.


Got cha, I suppose it depends on the makeup of the team. I'm ok with a 3-D starting 2 if we're getting scoring at the 1. Being that we aren't I wish Harris was more creative offensively. I still feel like it's ok to bring in some competition at that SG spot.

I could see us striking a deal with the Celtics for James Young and Jared Sullinger. I just don't think the FO would do that. They've invested too much into Gallo already
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Post#28 » by The Rebel » Sat Jan 9, 2016 5:05 pm

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The Rebel wrote:Right now I see him about average at starting SG (sorry state of the league) and he may end up working himself into the top 10 but never an all star type. The thing is he is okay on offense but an outstanding defender someone slightly undersized and as young as he is.


Got cha, I suppose it depends on the makeup of the team. I'm ok with a 3-D starting 2 if we're getting scoring at the 1. Being that we aren't I wish Harris was more creative offensively. I still feel like it's ok to bring in some competition at that SG spot.


I am always fine with competition, but how are you going to go get someone right now? I do not see any SGs available that I would give up Gallo for, Faried I would trade for the right SG, Chandler has no value. I guess you an get a prospect if you are willing to take back a bad contract for Hickson and Foye, but really I would not give up any of the young bigs for a SG, can always pick one up in the draft this year.
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Post#29 » by skywalker33 » Sat Jan 9, 2016 5:07 pm

303_Nuggets wrote:
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The Rebel wrote:Right now I see him about average at starting SG (sorry state of the league) and he may end up working himself into the top 10 but never an all star type. The thing is he is okay on offense but an outstanding defender someone slightly undersized and as young as he is.


Got cha, I suppose it depends on the makeup of the team. I'm ok with a 3-D starting 2 if we're getting scoring at the 1. Being that we aren't I wish Harris was more creative offensively. I still feel like it's ok to bring in some competition at that SG spot.

I could see us striking a deal with the Celtics for James Young and Jared Sullinger. I just don't think the FO would do that. They've invested too much into Gallo already


Sullinger is a FA this year and is going to want to get paid, I can easily see us passing on that opportunity. Gallo is a team leader and our best scorer, unless the Celts are adding in the BKN 2016 (which we all know they won't) then there is no reason IMO.
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Re: Nuggets need to make moves! 

Post#30 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Jan 9, 2016 7:56 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:C's fan- one of our insiders claimed that we wanted to trade Sullinger, David Lee and a 1st over the summer for Gallo, and that your FO's counter was Lee (expiring), Kelly Olynyk and James Young.

Given how your season and ours are playing out, what do you think is fair value for Gallinari now?


josh_nuggets wrote:i highly doubt our FO would have been happy and offered gallo for Lee. Kelly Olynyk and James Young

gallos avergaing over 20 in january and just under 19 for the season, i dont think theres enough pieces to warrant moving gallo to tthe celtics... the only trade i would give gallo away in is to get a 'star' player.. somone who can play at all star level, and be able to put the team on his back and be that one guy who can give with the ball to and iso him with 10 seconds left to go and win a game.... u could argue issiah thomas is that kinda guy, but i dont think we have a need for him


The Rebel wrote:As Josh said I do not see either of those deals being even close to working for the Nuggets. The problem is it is based on the Nuggets getting back 2 bigs, and considering the Nuggets knew Jokic was coming over in April, just signed Joffrey in March, had Nurkic who was so impressive as a rookie, and already had FAried and Hickson on the roster it makes no sense they would be wanting 2 more bigs expiring or not.

Also I believe that Gallo's value has went up, they extended his contract and he has been playing very well this year.


Yeah, I'd agree with all that, unfortunately.. The only scenarios I can imagine would involve your FO wanting to improve their lotto status, wanting to dump Faried's money in the bargain (we could give expirings for both) and/or Boston putting one of the unprotected Brooklyn picks on the table.
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Re: Nuggets need to make moves! 

Post#31 » by RRFB » Sat Jan 9, 2016 8:30 pm

Yeah it'd take one of the Brooklyn picks to even start the conversation, imo. And even then, we just really need Gallo right now. He's the only SF we have, he's our best scorer, our best shooter, our best playmaker, our best at getting to the free throw line, and the list goes on. Plus he's playing great basketball right now. His January numbers are pretty ridiculous. It's going to take a serious overpay to get the Nuggets to trade him right now.
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Post#32 » by The Rebel » Sat Jan 9, 2016 8:36 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:C's fan- one of our insiders claimed that we wanted to trade Sullinger, David Lee and a 1st over the summer for Gallo, and that your FO's counter was Lee (expiring), Kelly Olynyk and James Young.

Given how your season and ours are playing out, what do you think is fair value for Gallinari now?


josh_nuggets wrote:i highly doubt our FO would have been happy and offered gallo for Lee. Kelly Olynyk and James Young

gallos avergaing over 20 in january and just under 19 for the season, i dont think theres enough pieces to warrant moving gallo to tthe celtics... the only trade i would give gallo away in is to get a 'star' player.. somone who can play at all star level, and be able to put the team on his back and be that one guy who can give with the ball to and iso him with 10 seconds left to go and win a game.... u could argue issiah thomas is that kinda guy, but i dont think we have a need for him


The Rebel wrote:As Josh said I do not see either of those deals being even close to working for the Nuggets. The problem is it is based on the Nuggets getting back 2 bigs, and considering the Nuggets knew Jokic was coming over in April, just signed Joffrey in March, had Nurkic who was so impressive as a rookie, and already had FAried and Hickson on the roster it makes no sense they would be wanting 2 more bigs expiring or not.

Also I believe that Gallo's value has went up, they extended his contract and he has been playing very well this year.


Yeah, I'd agree with all that, unfortunately.. The only scenarios I can imagine would involve your FO wanting to improve their lotto status, wanting to dump Faried's money in the bargain (we could give expirings for both) and/or Boston putting one of the unprotected Brooklyn picks on the table.


WTH, why would the Nuggets even consider trading Faried for expiring contracts when the deal is already not enough for what the Nuggets reportedly want for Gallo?
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Post#33 » by Powder Blue » Sat Jan 9, 2016 9:18 pm

The Rebel wrote:
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The Rebel wrote:Right now I see him about average at starting SG (sorry state of the league) and he may end up working himself into the top 10 but never an all star type. The thing is he is okay on offense but an outstanding defender someone slightly undersized and as young as he is.


Got cha, I suppose it depends on the makeup of the team. I'm ok with a 3-D starting 2 if we're getting scoring at the 1. Being that we aren't I wish Harris was more creative offensively. I still feel like it's ok to bring in some competition at that SG spot.


I am always fine with competition, but how are you going to go get someone right now? I do not see any SGs available that I would give up Gallo for, Faried I would trade for the right SG, Chandler has no value. I guess you an get a prospect if you are willing to take back a bad contract for Hickson and Foye, but really I would not give up any of the young bigs for a SG, can always pick one up in the draft this year.


I agree there's nothing out there now. Have to live with Foye the rest of the season
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Post#34 » by eathb_au » Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:58 am

I don't know if we 'need' to make moves, but I would like better guards. Mudiay, Nelson, Foye are all really really bad. I love the progress Harris has made this year but the backcourt is really wack if he's the best guard on the roster.

Personally, I'd put one of DA/Joffrey on the trading block to see if we can land a not too old rotation SG.
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Post#35 » by miggs » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:40 am

Lakers fan here, curious, with the Lauvergne talk i saw here im curious what you see your GM asking in return for Lauvergne.
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Post#36 » by The Rebel » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:53 pm

eathb_au wrote:I don't know if we 'need' to make moves, but I would like better guards. Mudiay, Nelson, Foye are all really really bad. I love the progress Harris has made this year but the backcourt is really wack if he's the best guard on the roster.

Personally, I'd put one of DA/Joffrey on the trading block to see if we can land a not too old rotation SG.

Mudiay will get better, and Foye is the 3rd string SG, and Nelson is the veteran presence that can help guys like Mudiay and Harris get better. The thing is Chandler's injury screws up the rotation at SG due to forcing Barton to play more at SF, and opens minutes for our 3rd string SG. I would like to see them add a combo guard that is better than Foye and has potential to get better, but I doubt I would trade Joffrey for him. Arthur is fine as 2 of Arthur, Faried, and Hickson will probably be gone by this time next year.

miggs wrote:Lakers fan here, curious, with the Lauvergne talk i saw here im curious what you see your GM asking in return for Lauvergne.


The guy has been in the NBA for 10 months, and everything from the front office is that they love him. I do not see him getting traded unless it is for a very good prospect PG or SF or in a combo deal where the Nuggets trade multiple players for an all star type of player.

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