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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#581 » by mademan » Wed Sep 6, 2017 4:15 pm

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NuggetsWY wrote:Just read an article about Cleveland's lack of rebounding and they don't have "playing depth" - referring to "quality minutes". However, they seem to have more than 15 players under contract (not real sure on that).

Faried is a monster rebounder and his game would fit nice there. Not sure they'll like his contract but if they want to contend now, he'd be a good addition.


Faried & Barton for Shumpert & Crowder

I'd take that in a heartbeat. I think it greatly favors Denver. On the other hand, it meats some needs of Cleveland in a "win-now" sense.


I dunno about that. Crowder is there for Durant. Faried wouldn't get good minutes against the only competition they believe they have (W's).
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#582 » by skywalker33 » Wed Sep 6, 2017 9:36 pm

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Faried & Barton for Shumpert & Crowder

I'd take that in a heartbeat. I think it greatly favors Denver. On the other hand, it meats some needs of Cleveland in a "win-now" sense.


I dunno about that. Crowder is there for Durant. Faried wouldn't get good minutes against the only competition they believe they have (W's).


Definitely more of a regular season trade to help the Cav's. Denver would have to consider this would cut into their cap space going forward. Not a big Shump fan myself but I'd do it to get Crowder.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#583 » by raferfenix » Thu Sep 7, 2017 11:04 pm

U hova wrote:Eric Bledsoe still available hopefully for Mudiay and powerforwards


Any news on this front or is this more a response to Bledsoe still being with Phoenix post-Irving?
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#584 » by NuggetsWY » Thu Sep 7, 2017 11:43 pm

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U hova wrote:Eric Bledsoe still available hopefully for Mudiay and powerforwards


Any news on this front or is this more a response to Bledsoe still being with Phoenix post-Irving?

Well there are a few people around here that would like Bledsoe on the Nuggets and they typically are people who think Mudiay is a flop and Murray isn't a real PG.

There are others that believe Murray can play point, as a scoring point with Jokic running the offense. Some still believe in Mudiay. A few believe in Nelson. All agree we have enough PFs to stock about 3 teams. :lol: Oh yeah, and some hate the idea of Bledsoe being on the Nuggets.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#585 » by Coeur » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:57 am

Jabari Parker is the guy to go after. Health is a gamble but fit is perfect for the young core.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#586 » by NuggetsWY » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:08 am

Coeur wrote:Jabari Parker is the guy to go after. Health is a gamble but fit is perfect for the young core.

Gallinari - many games missed due to injury.
Chandler - many games missed due to injury, although not so many the last few years.
Arthur - many games missed due to injury.
Parker - injured for 94 of 246 games - 'nuff said.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#587 » by skywalker33 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:30 pm

And isn't Parker playing the PF ??? think we have enough of those. I do see the upside if he's healthy, but that's a huge high risk gamble, especially when he'll be asking for the max on his next contract.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#588 » by Alatan » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:34 am

And he is trash at D.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#589 » by NuggetsWY » Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:03 am

But we might need another power forward just in case Millsap & Faried & Arthur & Lyles & Hernangomez &
Lydon & Chandler & Plumlee are all injured.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#590 » by Alatan » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:47 am

NuggetsWY wrote:But we might need another power forward just in case Millsap & Faried & Arthur & Lyles & Hernangomez &
Lydon & Chandler & Plumlee are all injured.


No worries we'll just put Jokic back at PF. :P
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#591 » by skywalker33 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:54 pm

One guy I'd like to look into would be Detroit SF Tobias Harris. He's young enough to mix into our core, versatile as well. Could shoot better from 3-pt yet he is under contract for a couple more years
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#592 » by Alatan » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:07 pm

skywalker33 wrote:One guy I'd like to look into would be Detroit SF Tobias Harris. He's young enough to mix into our core, versatile as well. Could shoot better from 3-pt yet he is under contract for a couple more years


I dont like him at all. He is a bad defender and a twiner who cant shoot. Overrated and overpaid.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#593 » by skywalker33 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:44 pm

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skywalker33 wrote:One guy I'd like to look into would be Detroit SF Tobias Harris. He's young enough to mix into our core, versatile as well. Could shoot better from 3-pt yet he is under contract for a couple more years


I dont like him at all. He is a bad defender and a twiner who cant shoot. Overrated and overpaid.


Can't be a worse defender than what we had last year, but he did score 16/5 on 48%, FT's at 84% which seems to say he has good form. However, as I said he did only shoot 35% on 3's but should improve with more open shots via the Joker.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#594 » by NuggetsWY » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:48 pm

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skywalker33 wrote:One guy I'd like to look into would be Detroit SF Tobias Harris. He's young enough to mix into our core, versatile as well. Could shoot better from 3-pt yet he is under contract for a couple more years


I dont like him at all. He is a bad defender and a twiner who cant shoot. Overrated and overpaid.

48% 35% 85% is "can't shoot"? Sure, it's not superstar but his FG% is better than Chandler, 5th best of those still on the Nuggets. His 3pt% would be 6th on the Nuggets and his FT% would be 3rd best. I could live with that shooting for a player who's a 4th or 5th option.

Add in 5.5 rebounds per game and his offensive win shares and his defensive win shares are both significantly better than Chandler's - the man he'd likely be replacing.

I think he'd fit well on the Nuggets!
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#595 » by Alatan » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:48 pm

From three he is actually worse than Chandler but a better shooter in general
Tobias Harris .347 on 3.8 attempts, .332 on 2.7 career average / TS 55.2% (career average) Drtg 108 DRPM -0.25
Chandler .337 on 4.6 attempts, .339 on 3.9 career average / TS 52.9% -//- Drtg 113 DRPM - 1.54

The problem is he is a very small upgrade to Chandler and cost 50% more. He is paid around 15 million and that was before the cap inflation was projected. He will probably ask for around 17-20 if not more.

Covington who you guys dislike has

.333 on 6.1 attempts .354 on 6.4 career average/ TS 54.4% -//- Drtg 105 (Roberson has 106) DRPM + 4.32

It seems to me that you want a guy who can score more than a guy who can defend and with Jokic, Murray, Harris and Millsap we will have trouble giving everyone touches. If we assume that the starters play 36 minutes and that in 36 minutes there are 75 possessions Jokic took 19, Millsap 18, Murray 16, Harris 15 and Chandler takes 17. That's 85. So i think we dont need a scoring wing but a 3nD wing that defends, provides spacing with his shooting threat and cuts to the basket.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#596 » by NuggetsWY » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:12 pm

Alatan wrote:From three he is actually worse than Chandler but a better shooter in general
Tobias Harris .347 on 3.8 attempts, .332 on 2.7 career average / TS 55.2% (career average) Drtg 108 DRPM -0.25
Chandler .337 on 4.6 attempts, .339 on 3.9 career average / TS 52.9% -//- Drtg 113 DRPM - 1.54

The problem is he is a very small upgrade to Chandler and cost 50% more. He is paid around 15 million and that was before the cap inflation was projected. He will probably ask for around 17-20 if not more.

Covington who you guys dislike has

.333 on 6.1 attempts .354 on 6.4 career average/ TS 54.4% -//- Drtg 105 (Roberson has 106) DRPM + 4.32

It seems to me that you want a guy who can score more than a guy who can defend and with Jokic, Murray, Harris and Millsap we will have trouble giving everyone touches. If we assume that the starters play 36 minutes and that in 36 minutes there are 75 possessions Jokic took 19, Millsap 18, Murray 16, Harris 15 and Chandler takes 17. That's 85. So i think we dont need a scoring wing but a 3nD wing that defends, provides spacing with his shooting threat and cuts to the basket.

Some good points but Tobias Harris is a better fit than Covington. Covington is no where near a 3-n-D. I doubt there are many small forwards in the NBA that are afraid of going one-on-one against him.

I notice you neglected to mention that Covington averaged 11 shots per game in 30 minutes. The only return Nuggets with more shots per game were Chandler, Jokic, Harris, and Barton. Covington is more of a 3-with-a-touch-of-D
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#597 » by Alatan » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:15 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:
Alatan wrote:From three he is actually worse than Chandler but a better shooter in general
Tobias Harris .347 on 3.8 attempts, .332 on 2.7 career average / TS 55.2% (career average) Drtg 108 DRPM -0.25
Chandler .337 on 4.6 attempts, .339 on 3.9 career average / TS 52.9% -//- Drtg 113 DRPM - 1.54

The problem is he is a very small upgrade to Chandler and cost 50% more. He is paid around 15 million and that was before the cap inflation was projected. He will probably ask for around 17-20 if not more.

Covington who you guys dislike has

.333 on 6.1 attempts .354 on 6.4 career average/ TS 54.4% -//- Drtg 105 (Roberson has 106) DRPM + 4.32

It seems to me that you want a guy who can score more than a guy who can defend and with Jokic, Murray, Harris and Millsap we will have trouble giving everyone touches. If we assume that the starters play 36 minutes and that in 36 minutes there are 75 possessions Jokic took 19, Millsap 18, Murray 16, Harris 15 and Chandler takes 17. That's 85. So i think we dont need a scoring wing but a 3nD wing that defends, provides spacing with his shooting threat and cuts to the basket.

Some good points but Tobias Harris is a better fit than Covington. Covington is no where near a 3-n-D. I doubt there are many small forwards in the NBA that are afraid of going one-on-one against him.

I notice you neglected to mention that Covington averaged 11 shots per game in 30 minutes. The only return Nuggets with more shots per game were Chandler, Jokic, Harris, and Barton. Covington is more of a 3-with-a-touch-of-D


Well i might be mistaken but stats say he is one of the best wing defenders in the NBA right now. And what i watched of him, he is a pretty good perimeter defender and help defender.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#598 » by U hova » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:04 am

Tobias Harris is more expensive than Jabari Parker and has less upside.
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#599 » by skywalker33 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:36 am

U hova wrote:Tobias Harris is more expensive than Jabari Parker and has less upside.


Parker is looking to get the MAX next year, he's recovering from his 2nd ACL injury, and Harris is only $3M more than Chandler...get real !!!
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Re: Trade ideas thread 

Post#600 » by The Rebel » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:01 pm

U hova wrote:Tobias Harris is more expensive than Jabari Parker and has less upside.


He had less upside than Parker, now it is an unknown with Parker tearing up the same knee he already had ACL surgery on, he may not ever be an effective player again at this point.

As I said in the offseason thread, I do not see the Nuggets going after any of these role players at SF. I think they are only going after stars.

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