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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#21 » by Mickey8 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:36 am

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Mickey8 wrote:Jokic owned by Nurkic again, Nuggets have failed to establish Jokic at the beginning of the game, he was horrible rest of the game. Murray is horrible at PG job.






Yeah, it was the NUGEETS fault Jokic had a poor shooting night......just another of your man-crush moronic statements.

I will agree that he was OWNED by Nurkic....AGAIN, and that Murray has been so up and down .


Its Malone's fault for not involving his best player right at the beginning of the game , he took one shot in the first five minutes of the game , compare that to the game with Nets when he was established right from the start, Jokic was in the shooting rhythm and as the result of that he scored career high that night , it was the same thing against Washington where the Nuggets almost won that game , those were the only two game of the season when they made Jokic as the number one option on the offensive end , every other game was carbon copy of tonight's game . They don't play pick ''n'' roll with him anymore which is sad because he was killing opposing teams with all kind of shots , its just dumb strategy by Malone.
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#22 » by zzaj » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:48 am

skywalker33 wrote:Read on the POR thread that Nurkic's childish attitude is starting to flare as he left the arena right after a game, love (and miss) the guys talent, not missing his tantrums.


Just to clarify, Nurkic didn't leave the arena early. He missed media time because he was in the treatment room getting treatment on a sore back. Classic example of media making something out of nothing, and us Blazer fans running with it...

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2017/11/after_sitting_in_two_4th_quarters_trail_blazers_ju.html
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#23 » by skywalker33 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:34 am

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skywalker33 wrote:Read on the POR thread that Nurkic's childish attitude is starting to flare as he left the arena right after a game, love (and miss) the guys talent, not missing his tantrums.


Just to clarify, Nurkic didn't leave the arena early. He missed media time because he was in the treatment room getting treatment on a sore back. Classic example of media making something out of nothing, and us Blazer fans running with it...

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2017/11/after_sitting_in_two_4th_quarters_trail_blazers_ju.html


Possible, he was dealing with a sore back (at least that's what the reasoning was), but that has eerie similarities to what happened here. Interesting to watch it as the season unfolds :wink: I predict his immaturity will flare up before the off-season
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#24 » by Labinot41 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:59 pm

Portland Fan here. I want to know why Denver tradet pick 13 for trey liles and lydon? And they don't even play? Lol Denver could have Donavon Mitchell. Denver GM sucks. Btw sorry for my bad english

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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#25 » by NuggetsWY » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:40 pm

Labinot41 wrote:Portland Fan here. I want to know why Denver tradet pick 13 for trey liles and lydon? And they don't even play? Lol Denver could have Donavon Mitchell. Denver GM sucks. Btw sorry for my bad english

You don't have a lot of posts, so I'll just gently say that going to another team's board to just bash them, especially after your team blows them out of a game is not very welcome. Do that on some boards and you will get an official warning and repeat offenders do get suspended (probably just from that board and for a short time).
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#26 » by NuggetsWY » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:55 pm

Just finished watching the game and reading the comments. Yes Nurkic dominated Jokic but as was pointed out, Nurkic didn't have a monster game. IMO Malone's new offense is a huge problem, however, as much as I hate to say this, the Nuggets are scoring on roughly the same pace as last year - - a little less than the post December 15th offense, but still close.

If Jokic handles the ball a lot, he doesn't need to score for the Nuggets to win. The Nuggets win when he approaches 10 assists and he can't do that without the ball in his hands. But it's worse than that. For three years and more, we've watched the Nuggets revert to outside shooting far too often. That is not their strength. With last year's offense or this year's offense, their strength is driving to the bucket. The three best players to do that IMO opinion are Harris, Barton & Murray, in that order. Chandler's not too bad either and Mudiay is close behind. There are more players cutting/driving toward the basket when Jokic has the ball. This is basketball basics. If you look back at Walton & Sabonis & Divac and any other top passing big men, you'll find that same trend.

Defense is still a problem also. We see more help defense this year but it's the second or third pass where we are giving things away. They call it help-the-helper and we are not doing very well at that. Plus our players are not recovering fast enough when they do a short double-team. Either commit to the double-team and stop not only the shot but the pass also, or just avoid double-teams. Another basketball basic. The Nuggets seem to have one defensive scheme no matter who they are playing. That does not work against NBA talent, especially the stars. But how many bench players seem to have great nights against the Nuggets? Too many I think. Pick-n-rolls are just one example. Against some players, you trail over the top. Against other players you go below. Against others, you simply switch. But the entire team needs to know how to play against each player on the other team. If one player takes one approach and the other takes a different approach, both look terrible and bad things happen. Defense is the most difficult aspect of NBA basketball and the Nuggets are no where near good. On the other hand, most of us would have been happy with being above the bottom-3 and we are in the middle-third, so that's an improvement. A lot of the improvement has to do with individual effort, but that's still a plus.

IMO we lost this game because Jokic did not have enough assists and Portland's guards are the masters of the pick-n-roll, especially when you trail over the top.
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Post#27 » by Labinot41 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:24 pm

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Labinot41 wrote:Portland Fan here. I want to know why Denver tradet pick 13 for trey liles and lydon? And they don't even play? Lol Denver could have Donavon Mitchell. Denver GM sucks. Btw sorry for my bad english

You don't have a lot of posts, so I'll just gently say that going to another team's board to just bash them, especially after your team blows them out of a game is not very welcome. Do that on some boards and you will get an official warning and repeat offenders do get suspended (probably just from that board and for a short time).

What??? I am not bashing, Wtf. I just want to know why Denver tradet pick 13 for liles and lydon when they could have Donavon Mitchell. Lol

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Post#28 » by psimanic1 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:04 pm

Labinot41 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:
Labinot41 wrote:Portland Fan here. I want to know why Denver tradet pick 13 for trey liles and lydon? And they don't even play? Lol Denver could have Donavon Mitchell. Denver GM sucks. Btw sorry for my bad english

You don't have a lot of posts, so I'll just gently say that going to another team's board to just bash them, especially after your team blows them out of a game is not very welcome. Do that on some boards and you will get an official warning and repeat offenders do get suspended (probably just from that board and for a short time).

What??? I am not bashing, Wtf. I just want to know why Denver tradet pick 13 for liles and lydon when they could have Donavon Mitchell. Lol

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Why? Because Denver had deal in place that would get them Love and send out Love, and with Arthur being injured we could use Lyles, BUUUT, when that deal fell apart, we already got Lyles and Lydon(we have enough young guys at PG/SG, why not risk with PF with late first round pick right?) and there was no way back....

Edit: Why did POR sign Turner, Crabbe, Leonard those contracts when they could've signed someone better?
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#29 » by MidMountain » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:19 pm

Labinot41 wrote:Portland Fan here. I want to know why Denver tradet pick 13 for trey liles and lydon? And they don't even play? Lol Denver could have Donavon Mitchell. Denver GM sucks. Btw sorry for my bad english

Not bashing eh?
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#30 » by skywalker33 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:28 pm

Labinot41 wrote:Portland Fan here. I want to know why Denver tradet pick 13 for trey liles and lydon? And they don't even play? Lol Denver could have Donavon Mitchell. Denver GM sucks. Btw sorry for my bad english

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How about apologizing for bad manners as well
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#31 » by Powder Blue » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:37 pm

Labinot41 wrote:Portland Fan here. I want to know why Denver tradet pick 13 for trey liles and lydon? And they don't even play? Lol Denver could have Donavon Mitchell. Denver GM sucks. Btw sorry for my bad english

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Delivery was poor...but it's a valid question.

Maybe Adam Mares said this but the book is out on Denver, playing them physical is the best way to beat them. Not like I expected them to win this game so I'm not going to be too down on this early season loss....that being said they need to bring some F'in intensity for games like this if they want to take the next step. I did like the fire I saw in Milsap but the game was out of reach at that point.
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Post#32 » by MidMountain » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:41 pm

psimanic1 wrote:Why? Because Denver had deal in place that would get them Love and send out Love, and with Arthur being injured we could use Lyles, BUUUT, when that deal fell apart, we already got Lyles and Lydon(we have enough young guys at PG/SG, why not risk with PF with late first round pick right?) and there was no way back....


This was also done before the Millsap signing when we were weak at PF.
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#33 » by kololoco » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:35 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:Just finished watching the game and reading the comments. Yes Nurkic dominated Jokic but as was pointed out, Nurkic didn't have a monster game. IMO Malone's new offense is a huge problem, however, as much as I hate to say this, the Nuggets are scoring on roughly the same pace as last year - - a little less than the post December 15th offense, but still close.

If Jokic handles the ball a lot, he doesn't need to score for the Nuggets to win. The Nuggets win when he approaches 10 assists and he can't do that without the ball in his hands. But it's worse than that. For three years and more, we've watched the Nuggets revert to outside shooting far too often. That is not their strength. With last year's offense or this year's offense, their strength is driving to the bucket. The three best players to do that IMO opinion are Harris, Barton & Murray, in that order. Chandler's not too bad either and Mudiay is close behind. There are more players cutting/driving toward the basket when Jokic has the ball. This is basketball basics. If you look back at Walton & Sabonis & Divac and any other top passing big men, you'll find that same trend.

Defense is still a problem also. We see more help defense this year but it's the second or third pass where we are giving things away. They call it help-the-helper and we are not doing very well at that. Plus our players are not recovering fast enough when they do a short double-team. Either commit to the double-team and stop not only the shot but the pass also, or just avoid double-teams. Another basketball basic. The Nuggets seem to have one defensive scheme no matter who they are playing. That does not work against NBA talent, especially the stars. But how many bench players seem to have great nights against the Nuggets? Too many I think. Pick-n-rolls are just one example. Against some players, you trail over the top. Against other players you go below. Against others, you simply switch. But the entire team needs to know how to play against each player on the other team. If one player takes one approach and the other takes a different approach, both look terrible and bad things happen. Defense is the most difficult aspect of NBA basketball and the Nuggets are no where near good. On the other hand, most of us would have been happy with being above the bottom-3 and we are in the middle-third, so that's an improvement. A lot of the improvement has to do with individual effort, but that's still a plus.

IMO we lost this game because Jokic did not have enough assists and Portland's guards are the masters of the pick-n-roll, especially when you trail over the top.


Very nice analysis. The problem is not Jokic not scoring enough, it's not running the offence through him (which would probably lead to more points, but it doesn't have to, but would definitely lead to more assists). Look at last year and the types of assists he had. Those were assists for buckets. Now he got twice 9 and 10 assists, but those were handoffs to the shooter, or passing to Millsap who makes three dribbles and shoots. No more cutting, no more flow, no more Jokic-centric offence. Denver has an offensively very talented roster, Barton, Harris, Jamal, Millsap and Jokic are talented offensive players, but them playing iso, and not as a team is not good. And the only player that can make this unit play as a team is Jokic. So he definitely needs his old role back for Denver to have sustained success. When people say Jokic is a team player and doesn't need to score the ball don't understand the core of the problem. The core of the problem is not playing to your best players strengths. In Boston Stevens turned a 20 point player into a 30 point player just by adjusting his team to him because he recognized he was the best he has. And team success came together with it. I don't think Jokic should score 30, I think the offense should be played around him and to best utilize him, which will lead to better team play and a better record.
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#34 » by zzaj » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:13 pm

As a Portland fan, I saw a lot of similarities between these two teams last night. I'm gathering from these posts that most of your fans would rather see more of a wheel offense centered around Jokic. Can't say I disagree...the Blazers are so reliant on ISOs and perimeter scoring that it gives them a very small window of error to win games. It's a boon to have a generational, high BBIQ center like Jokic. I hope you guys see him fully utilized on a regular basis.

BTW, I'm still a bit salty about losing Barton to Denver. Portland has been struggling against length this season because of it's diminutive, Lillard/CJ/Connaugton/Napier guard rotation...

Nice to see your guards show some improvement from last season. Hopefully that improvement coupled with an offense that focuses on synergy between them and Jokic is in your future as fans. We had it with Sabonis and it was an absolute joy to watch.

I guess we'll see if Malone is capable of that long-term?
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Re: Game 14: Denver Nuggets @ Portland Trail Blazers 

Post#35 » by skywalker33 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:52 am

zzaj wrote:BTW, I'm still a bit salty about losing Barton to Denver. Portland has been struggling against length this season because of it's diminutive, Lillard/CJ/Connaugton/Napier guard rotation...


Well, we're all a bit on the pissed side of the Nurkic trade, your greedy GN cost us a 1st...kinda weighs back you you guys still owe us IMO
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