Game 41: Atlanta Hawks @ Denver Nuggets 9:00 PM ET

[Acountant_Z]

I see Jokic's MAX contract diminishing game by game

Based on his work this year I would never offer Jokic a max. If he is not willing to take a reduced contract I would make him play his last year and become a free agent.

Of course, we could always trade him and get some solid assets in return.

[Lala870]

The Nuggets proved again that they play to the level of their opposition and that they can lose what should be an easy win.

This nuggets team is not exactly golden state or cleveland. "playing to the level of opposition" would indicate this team has clearly superior talent to most in the league.

You could make that case for teams like OKC.

[Lala870]

I see Jokic's MAX contract diminishing game by game

Based on his work this year I would never offer Jokic a max. If he is not willing to take a reduced contract I would make him play his last year and become a free agent.

Of course, we could always trade him and get some solid assets in return.

Yeah i would not give jokic the max. I would try to get him to take a massively discounted deal here in denver.

Hes not worth harden/westbrook money

[skywalker33]

I see Jokic's MAX contract diminishing game by game

Based on his work this year I would never offer Jokic a max. If he is not willing to take a reduced contract I would make him play his last year and become a free agent.

Of course, we could always trade him and get some solid assets in return.

Again with the MORONIC trade Jokic comments, I'd prefer you not respond to any of my posts, I find you and your comments below intellectual standards.

[Powder Blue]

Malone took some of the blame, time for that crack front office to do the same.

[skywalker33]

The problem seems to be our front court is just not ready to play, starts slow and puts us in a hole. Can't continue this way. Can't wait to see Millsap back on the court, see if he can bring that fire to the starting lineup, Lord knows Chandler has none and Plumlee is a backup, I want Jokic back at C when he's comfortable and more effective.

[THE J0KER]

Another FO miss is SF Gerald Green. They start panic about SF, even desperately take veterans like Childress or Jefferson, but when finally some free and cheap useful SF is available on the market, they just ignored him.

[NuggetsWY]

Jokic's stats are almost identical to last year's. He is not the problem, although I do believe he is being under-utilized. It would have been nice if his stats improved from last year; that's what we were expecting.

If the Nuggets do not take care of Jokic in terms of contract, he probably will look at going RFA and without a doubt there will be a team offering him a max contract. That will not make him feel as good about himself and he is a player that plays with emotion. It would be a huge mistake to not make sure Jokic feels wanted.

[The Rebel]

Jokic is being played out of position and a role that doesn't fit his game yet he is still clearly our best player, anybody saying he shouldn't get a max or should be traded needs to learn something about the NBA. Right now I am questioning how people with such a low IQ can even find this board.

[skywalker33]

Jokic is being played out of position and a role that doesn't fit his game yet he is still clearly our best player, anybody saying he shouldn't get a max or should be traded needs to learn something about the NBA. Right now I am questioning how people with such a low IQ can even find this board.

C'mon Rebel, it's not like Joker was playing the PF position the whole game, he was playing with low-energy and his shooting was off, that wasn't just because he was playing out of position. And your insult about people with "low IQ can't even find this board" just shows your frustration, a bit below your" high IQ" posts. Since I'm one of those you just insulted, I know I'm questioning Jokic's conditioning, his motor and I've see guys who dog it when finally getting paid, tell me you haven't seen it too ??? And given Jokic hasn't seemed the same this whole year even before he was forced into the PF position, I am starting to question his motivation, these loses to lower record teams are infuriating to say the least. His relationship with the FO seems OK, you even posted about that, he seems to like his teammates, so what is his lack of passion ?? Is his family in danger ?? is his horse ill ?? Doubt it, seems just a off and it hard to see a guy with this much talent play so many sub-par games. In games where Jokic is on the negative side of a +/- we're 3-10. this team goes as he goes.

I guess it's just wrong and drops my IQ down when I get frustratrated at Jokic, I am sure that's what happen

[NuggetsWY]

My frustration over Jokic remains his tendency to take dumb fouls and his tendency to argue with officials when he should be playing. But my biggest Jokic-frustration is that he should be used as a high-post, not setting picks and wandering along the baseline.

[U hova]

studies show hitting your head against the wall has a negative effect on your iq

[The Rebel]

Jokic is being played out of position and a role that doesn't fit his game yet he is still clearly our best player, anybody saying he shouldn't get a max or should be traded needs to learn something about the NBA. Right now I am questioning how people with such a low IQ can even find this board.

C'mon Rebel, it's not like Joker was playing the PF position the whole game, he was playing with low-energy and his shooting was off, that wasn't just because he was playing out of position. And your insult about people with "low IQ can't even find this board" just shows your frustration, a bit below your" high IQ" posts. Since I'm one of those you just insulted, I know I'm questioning Jokic's conditioning, his motor and I've see guys who dog it when finally getting paid, tell me you haven't seen it too ??? And given Jokic hasn't seemed the same this whole year even before he was forced into the PF position, I am starting to question his motivation, these loses to lower record teams are infuriating to say the least. His relationship with the FO seems OK, you even posted about that, he seems to like his teammates, so what is his lack of passion ?? Is his family in danger ?? is his horse ill ?? Doubt it, seems just a off and it hard to see a guy with this much talent play so many sub-par games. In games where Jokic is on the negative side of a +/- we're 3-10. this team goes as he goes.

I guess it's just wrong and drops my IQ down when I get frustratrated at Jokic, I am sure that's what happen

OF course everybody can get frustrated by Jokic, but there are 29 other teams that would love to give Jokic the max and they could all probably figure out how to use him better than Malone. You are right I am frustrated, but frustrated more by supposed Nuggets fans who are talking about trading our franchise player, who are saying he is not worth the max, and who turn on a guy because he has a bad 2 weeks. I am frustrated by a coach that has a vision of who he wants guys to be regardless of their natural talent, knowing full well our front office will keep him regardless of how bad it gets.

Jokic is not just playing PF he is being asked to play a totally different style. Adam Mares was on Altitude radio a couple of days ago and he said that Malone has this picture of who he wants this team to be, and he said it was the bad boy pistons, but after Millsap went out I think it is closer to the Billups era Pistons that Malone seems to want. Look at it this way with the bad boy Pistons the guards were the offense, they scored in bunches, Rodman was the defensive SF that didn't score much, they had a host of different PFs that were more Iso type players with Salley being good at defense, and Lambier was the defensive center in the middle that could hit jump shots and pass a little. It transitioned into more the Billups era now without Millsap as Plumlee is being asked to play the Ben Wallace role, the guards being asked to score and do what they want, the SF that is a great defender and can score when left open, and Jokic playing the Rasheed role. We can go over how stupid it is that Malone thinks that fits this team, but it is pretty obvious that is what Malone wants when you watch the games. Malone can't adjust his vision and it is screwing up this team.

So let's talk about Jokic and the Lambier or Wallace roles that he is being asked to fill. Lambier was a terrible low post player, he was good from the free throw line out to the 3 point line on offense and loved his occasion jump shot but really did not care about offense, he was a defensive guy, Jokic is never going to be the great defender and without the low post game you are asking him to be a jumpshooter where he has always been streaky as hell.

Rasheed Wallace is actually slightly closer to Jokic, many will tell you that he was asked to play a different way in detroit, where he stopped playing much in the low post and became a high post jumpshooter while being great on defense. It worked for him because he never wanted to be the big star and really did not have the talent to be the primary offensive option.

If you take away any players natural game, and the strongest areas of a guy's game they are going to struggle, and I am talking about any of them. I doubt any of them are happy about it, and I bet they struggle more than they should. That is what Malone is doing to Jokic, Jokic should be on the floor with at least 3 guys who can shoot and play off the ball, he needs to be able to play in the low post, he needs the ball in his hands. Instead heis on the floor usually with 2 guys that are bad at offense this year, he is playing a large portion of his minutes with Barton who we all know is not giving up the ball,and he is being asked to be a defensive enforcer. In other words he is being asked to be the complete opposite of who he is on the court, and he is failing, but so would anybody else.

It is on Malone who can't figure out that his team doesn't fit his vision but he refuses to change that vision. Malone reminds me of Bzdelick, not a terrible coach but one that has limited imagination and will not adjust to what is best for the team. Stan and Kiki fired Buzz and eventually got a good coach that could adjust to the personnel, Josh and TC don't seem to have that in them, so we get this mess of a system that is making our talent appear worse then they are.

[NuggetsWY]

Spoiler:

Jokic is being played out of position and a role that doesn't fit his game yet he is still clearly our best player, anybody saying he shouldn't get a max or should be traded needs to learn something about the NBA. Right now I am questioning how people with such a low IQ can even find this board.

C'mon Rebel, it's not like Joker was playing the PF position the whole game, he was playing with low-energy and his shooting was off, that wasn't just because he was playing out of position. And your insult about people with "low IQ can't even find this board" just shows your frustration, a bit below your" high IQ" posts. Since I'm one of those you just insulted, I know I'm questioning Jokic's conditioning, his motor and I've see guys who dog it when finally getting paid, tell me you haven't seen it too ??? And given Jokic hasn't seemed the same this whole year even before he was forced into the PF position, I am starting to question his motivation, these loses to lower record teams are infuriating to say the least. His relationship with the FO seems OK, you even posted about that, he seems to like his teammates, so what is his lack of passion ?? Is his family in danger ?? is his horse ill ?? Doubt it, seems just a off and it hard to see a guy with this much talent play so many sub-par games. In games where Jokic is on the negative side of a +/- we're 3-10. this team goes as he goes.

I guess it's just wrong and drops my IQ down when I get frustratrated at Jokic, I am sure that's what happen

OF course everybody can get frustrated by Jokic, but there are 29 other teams that would love to give Jokic the max and they could all probably figure out how to use him better than Malone. You are right I am frustrated, but frustrated more by supposed Nuggets fans who are talking about trading our franchise player, who are saying he is not worth the max, and who turn on a guy because he has a bad 2 weeks. I am frustrated by a coach that has a vision of who he wants guys to be regardless of their natural talent, knowing full well our front office will keep him regardless of how bad it gets.

Jokic is not just playing PF he is being asked to play a totally different style. Adam Mares was on Altitude radio a couple of days ago and he said that Malone has this picture of who he wants this team to be, and he said it was the bad boy pistons, but after Millsap went out I think it is closer to the Billups era Pistons that Malone seems to want. Look at it this way with the bad boy Pistons the guards were the offense, they scored in bunches, Rodman was the defensive SF that didn't score much, they had a host of different PFs that were more Iso type players with Salley being good at defense, and Lambier was the defensive center in the middle that could hit jump shots and pass a little. It transitioned into more the Billups era now without Millsap as Plumlee is being asked to play the Ben Wallace role, the guards being asked to score and do what they want, the SF that is a great defender and can score when left open, and Jokic playing the Rasheed role. We can go over how stupid it is that Malone thinks that fits this team, but it is pretty obvious that is what Malone wants when you watch the games. Malone can't adjust his vision and it is screwing up this team.

So let's talk about Jokic and the Lambier or Wallace roles that he is being asked to fill. Lambier was a terrible low post player, he was good from the free throw line out to the 3 point line on offense and loved his occasion jump shot but really did not care about offense, he was a defensive guy, Jokic is never going to be the great defender and without the low post game you are asking him to be a jumpshooter where he has always been streaky as hell.

Rasheed Wallace is actually slightly closer to Jokic, many will tell you that he was asked to play a different way in detroit, where he stopped playing much in the low post and became a high post jumpshooter while being great on defense. It worked for him because he never wanted to be the big star and really did not have the talent to be the primary offensive option.

If you take away any players natural game, and the strongest areas of a guy's game they are going to struggle, and I am talking about any of them. I doubt any of them are happy about it, and I bet they struggle more than they should. That is what Malone is doing to Jokic, Jokic should be on the floor with at least 3 guys who can shoot and play off the ball, he needs to be able to play in the low post, he needs the ball in his hands. Instead heis on the floor usually with 2 guys that are bad at offense this year, he is playing a large portion of his minutes with Barton who we all know is not giving up the ball,and he is being asked to be a defensive enforcer. In other words he is being asked to be the complete opposite of who he is on the court, and he is failing, but so would anybody else.

It is on Malone who can't figure out that his team doesn't fit his vision but he refuses to change that vision. Malone reminds me of Bzdelick, not a terrible coach but one that has limited imagination and will not adjust to what is best for the team. Stan and Kiki fired Buzz and eventually got a good coach that could adjust to the personnel, Josh and TC don't seem to have that in them, so we get this mess of a system that is making our talent appear worse then they are.

An excellent take Rebel. I hadn't seen it that way but what I have observed of Malone is that he is a very inflexible man and he is going to do everything he can to do things his way. Some coaches have their system and if the players don't fit, then they are going (ala Nurkic). Good coaches adapt their system to the players they have (ala Popovich). We've watched Popovich maintain an overall approach for longer than many of our RealGM people have been following the NBA. Yet he makes tweaks and adjustments to his system to take advantage of the players he's got.

[NuggetsWY]

Spoiler:

C'mon Rebel, it's not like Joker was playing the PF position the whole game, he was playing with low-energy and his shooting was off, that wasn't just because he was playing out of position. And your insult about people with "low IQ can't even find this board" just shows your frustration, a bit below your" high IQ" posts. Since I'm one of those you just insulted, I know I'm questioning Jokic's conditioning, his motor and I've see guys who dog it when finally getting paid, tell me you haven't seen it too ??? And given Jokic hasn't seemed the same this whole year even before he was forced into the PF position, I am starting to question his motivation, these loses to lower record teams are infuriating to say the least. His relationship with the FO seems OK, you even posted about that, he seems to like his teammates, so what is his lack of passion ?? Is his family in danger ?? is his horse ill ?? Doubt it, seems just a off and it hard to see a guy with this much talent play so many sub-par games. In games where Jokic is on the negative side of a +/- we're 3-10. this team goes as he goes.

I guess it's just wrong and drops my IQ down when I get frustratrated at Jokic, I am sure that's what happen

OF course everybody can get frustrated by Jokic, but there are 29 other teams that would love to give Jokic the max and they could all probably figure out how to use him better than Malone. You are right I am frustrated, but frustrated more by supposed Nuggets fans who are talking about trading our franchise player, who are saying he is not worth the max, and who turn on a guy because he has a bad 2 weeks. I am frustrated by a coach that has a vision of who he wants guys to be regardless of their natural talent, knowing full well our front office will keep him regardless of how bad it gets.

Jokic is not just playing PF he is being asked to play a totally different style. Adam Mares was on Altitude radio a couple of days ago and he said that Malone has this picture of who he wants this team to be, and he said it was the bad boy pistons, but after Millsap went out I think it is closer to the Billups era Pistons that Malone seems to want. Look at it this way with the bad boy Pistons the guards were the offense, they scored in bunches, Rodman was the defensive SF that didn't score much, they had a host of different PFs that were more Iso type players with Salley being good at defense, and Lambier was the defensive center in the middle that could hit jump shots and pass a little. It transitioned into more the Billups era now without Millsap as Plumlee is being asked to play the Ben Wallace role, the guards being asked to score and do what they want, the SF that is a great defender and can score when left open, and Jokic playing the Rasheed role. We can go over how stupid it is that Malone thinks that fits this team, but it is pretty obvious that is what Malone wants when you watch the games. Malone can't adjust his vision and it is screwing up this team.

So let's talk about Jokic and the Lambier or Wallace roles that he is being asked to fill. Lambier was a terrible low post player, he was good from the free throw line out to the 3 point line on offense and loved his occasion jump shot but really did not care about offense, he was a defensive guy, Jokic is never going to be the great defender and without the low post game you are asking him to be a jumpshooter where he has always been streaky as hell.

Rasheed Wallace is actually slightly closer to Jokic, many will tell you that he was asked to play a different way in detroit, where he stopped playing much in the low post and became a high post jumpshooter while being great on defense. It worked for him because he never wanted to be the big star and really did not have the talent to be the primary offensive option.

If you take away any players natural game, and the strongest areas of a guy's game they are going to struggle, and I am talking about any of them. I doubt any of them are happy about it, and I bet they struggle more than they should. That is what Malone is doing to Jokic, Jokic should be on the floor with at least 3 guys who can shoot and play off the ball, he needs to be able to play in the low post, he needs the ball in his hands. Instead heis on the floor usually with 2 guys that are bad at offense this year, he is playing a large portion of his minutes with Barton who we all know is not giving up the ball,and he is being asked to be a defensive enforcer. In other words he is being asked to be the complete opposite of who he is on the court, and he is failing, but so would anybody else.

It is on Malone who can't figure out that his team doesn't fit his vision but he refuses to change that vision. Malone reminds me of Bzdelick, not a terrible coach but one that has limited imagination and will not adjust to what is best for the team. Stan and Kiki fired Buzz and eventually got a good coach that could adjust to the personnel, Josh and TC don't seem to have that in them, so we get this mess of a system that is making our talent appear worse then they are.

An excellent take Rebel. I hadn't seen it that way but what I have observed of Malone is that he is a very inflexible man and he is going to do everything he can to do things his way. Some coaches have their system and if the players don't fit, then they are going (ala Nurkic). Good coaches adapt their system to the players they have (ala Popovich). We've watched Popovich maintain an overall approach for longer than many of our RealGM people have been following the NBA. Yet he makes tweaks and adjustments to his system to take advantage of the players he's got.

Just noticed this article quoting Popovich
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248581/Gregg-Popovich-Reveals-LaMarcus-Aldridge-Requested-Trade-In-Offseason