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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#21 » by NuggetsWY » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:45 pm

spree8 wrote:Just out of curiosity, Jokic is an UFA in 2019 correct? I know you can offer the most because of Bird rights, but Denver doesn’t have the option to match (and keep him) if he were to sign with another team right?

Nah, look closer, Denver has protected themselves so they'll be able to sign him.
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#22 » by spree8 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:00 pm

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spree8 wrote:Just out of curiosity, Jokic is an UFA in 2019 correct? I know you can offer the most because of Bird rights, but Denver doesn’t have the option to match (and keep him) if he were to sign with another team right?

Nah, look closer, Denver has protected themselves so they'll be able to sign him.


I looked at both Basketball Insiders and Spotrac and they both say TO in 2018 and UFA in 2019. What site are you looking at?
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#23 » by skywalker33 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:34 pm

spree8 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:
spree8 wrote:Just out of curiosity, Jokic is an UFA in 2019 correct? I know you can offer the most because of Bird rights, but Denver doesn’t have the option to match (and keep him) if he were to sign with another team right?

Nah, look closer, Denver has protected themselves so they'll be able to sign him.


I looked at both Basketball Insiders and Spotrac and they both say TO in 2018 and UFA in 2019. What site are you looking at?


Denver will more than likely never let him reach free agency, if they sign him this offseason to a MAX (very likely) he won't see free agency until 2023. Jokic is said to really like it here in DEN, IMO given his brother's/agent's comments, it's more likely Porzingas leaves NYK than Jokic leaving the Nuggets
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#24 » by Acountant_Z » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:51 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
spree8 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:Nah, look closer, Denver has protected themselves so they'll be able to sign him.


I looked at both Basketball Insiders and Spotrac and they both say TO in 2018 and UFA in 2019. What site are you looking at?


Denver will more than likely never let him reach free agency, if they sign him this offseason to a MAX (very likely) he won't see free agency until 2023. Jokic is said to really like it here in DEN, IMO given his brother's/agent's comments, it's more likely Porzingas leaves NYK than Jokic leaving the Nuggets


I do think Jokic will stay in Denver and I do think he likes it there. But, if he so chooses he could play out his contract and leave after next season. It is not up to Nuggets if he refuses to sign long-term contract nothing they can do.
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#25 » by spree8 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:56 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
spree8 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:Nah, look closer, Denver has protected themselves so they'll be able to sign him.


I looked at both Basketball Insiders and Spotrac and they both say TO in 2018 and UFA in 2019. What site are you looking at?


Denver will more than likely never let him reach free agency, if they sign him this offseason to a MAX (very likely) he won't see free agency until 2023. Jokic is said to really like it here in DEN, IMO given his brother's/agent's comments, it's more likely Porzingas leaves NYK than Jokic leaving the Nuggets



lol didn’t mean to offend you.. no reason to try to throw a jab. The NYK own KP’s rights and can match any offer sheet he signs elsewhere... we aren’t losing him... I’d account bet you on that.

As far as offering him an extension this summer, sure, that’s plausible. Didn’t know if that was being discussed or not tho. That’s why I was simply asking his status since it’s unusual for a player of his caliber to be a an UFA like that so soon.
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#26 » by Acountant_Z » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:21 am

spree8 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
spree8 wrote:
I looked at both Basketball Insiders and Spotrac and they both say TO in 2018 and UFA in 2019. What site are you looking at?


Denver will more than likely never let him reach free agency, if they sign him this offseason to a MAX (very likely) he won't see free agency until 2023. Jokic is said to really like it here in DEN, IMO given his brother's/agent's comments, it's more likely Porzingas leaves NYK than Jokic leaving the Nuggets



lol didn’t mean to offend you.. no reason to try to throw a jab. The NYK own KP’s rights and can match any offer sheet he signs elsewhere... we aren’t losing him... I’d account bet you on that.

As far as offering him an extension this summer, sure, that’s plausible. Didn’t know if that was being discussed or not tho. That’s why I was simply asking his status since it’s unusual for a player of his caliber to be a an UFA like that so soon.


It is not much different for KP than Joker. Next year for Jokic is a team option, if Nuggets chose not to exercise team option, Jokic becomes an RFA and Nuggets can match any offer. Only if he chooses not to sign any offer sheets and not to sign what Nuggets offer he would be taking the qualifying offer and be UFE after that year. The same thing is true for KP, Knicks cannot force him to sign, he can always just play out his last year. Of course, both would be leaving large amounts of money on the table they could likely never be able to recoup.
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#27 » by The Rebel » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:07 am

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spree8 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Denver will more than likely never let him reach free agency, if they sign him this offseason to a MAX (very likely) he won't see free agency until 2023. Jokic is said to really like it here in DEN, IMO given his brother's/agent's comments, it's more likely Porzingas leaves NYK than Jokic leaving the Nuggets



lol didn’t mean to offend you.. no reason to try to throw a jab. The NYK own KP’s rights and can match any offer sheet he signs elsewhere... we aren’t losing him... I’d account bet you on that.

As far as offering him an extension this summer, sure, that’s plausible. Didn’t know if that was being discussed or not tho. That’s why I was simply asking his status since it’s unusual for a player of his caliber to be a an UFA like that so soon.


It is not much different for KP than Joker. Next year for Jokic is a team option, if Nuggets chose not to exercise team option, Jokic becomes an RFA and Nuggets can match any offer. Only if he chooses not to sign any offer sheets and not to sign what Nuggets offer he would be taking the qualifying offer and be UFE after that year. The same thing is true for KP, Knicks cannot force him to sign, he can always just play out his last year. Of course, both would be leaving large amounts of money on the table they could likely never be able to recoup.


AccountantZ is right, both teams will have restricted free agents on their hands when they become free agents.

Personally I think the team that should be more worried about their guy is the Knicks. They are capped out, with limited young talent, and limited future picks. They really don't even have guys that they can trade that will bring back good value, and Porzingis is already rumored to have issues with the franchise.

The nuggets right now have are loaded with young talent, they have plenty of young players to develop and if the right deal comes up they can trade some and still be a young team. Jokic and his brothers seem to love the Nuggets and have never made any bad statements about the franchise or city to my knowledge, the Nuggets are an easy sell to a young franchise potential player.
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#28 » by skywalker33 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 am

Acountant_Z wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
spree8 wrote:
I looked at both Basketball Insiders and Spotrac and they both say TO in 2018 and UFA in 2019. What site are you looking at?


Denver will more than likely never let him reach free agency, if they sign him this offseason to a MAX (very likely) he won't see free agency until 2023. Jokic is said to really like it here in DEN, IMO given his brother's/agent's comments, it's more likely Porzingas leaves NYK than Jokic leaving the Nuggets


I do think Jokic will stay in Denver and I do think he likes it there. But, if he so chooses he could play out his contract and leave after next season. It is not up to Nuggets if he refuses to sign long-term contract nothing they can do.


Captain Obvious, that can be said about ANY similar free agent :roll:
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#29 » by skywalker33 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:15 am

spree8 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
spree8 wrote:
I looked at both Basketball Insiders and Spotrac and they both say TO in 2018 and UFA in 2019. What site are you looking at?


Denver will more than likely never let him reach free agency, if they sign him this offseason to a MAX (very likely) he won't see free agency until 2023. Jokic is said to really like it here in DEN, IMO given his brother's/agent's comments, it's more likely Porzingas leaves NYK than Jokic leaving the Nuggets



lol didn’t mean to offend you.. no reason to try to throw a jab. The NYK own KP’s rights and can match any offer sheet he signs elsewhere... we aren’t losing him... I’d account bet you on that.

As far as offering him an extension this summer, sure, that’s plausible. Didn’t know if that was being discussed or not tho. That’s why I was simply asking his status since it’s unusual for a player of his caliber to be a an UFA like that so soon.


No offense taken or intended, just an opinion based upon the statements and heresay. Jokic was a 2nd round pick so that’s where his UFA status comes from
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#30 » by THE J0KER » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:14 am

I opened an intriguing poll thread on GeneralBoard section Who should replace DeMarcus Cousins for All-Star game?

Jokic season so far is under expectations, it is not secret. Not that he is not great, but he can be better for sure. Out of only three NBA players which can be called point-centers (Jokic, Draymond Green and Al Horford) I think Nikola is already best despite other two are arguably better in defense, but I'm not surprised that he is the only one out of this three who is not selected for 2018 All-Star game. Simply because he plays for the small market team, and as 22 old Jokic is still not so established a household name in NBA. I'm disappointed because Jokic is not selected this year despite all his all-around game qualities and Denver current playoff spot, but not surprised... after all, Western Conference is so stacked with stars.

But last night the only center selected to LeBron James All-Star team, DeMarcus Cousins, is injured with a season-ending injury and will not play in LA this year. So I think in this circumstances Nikola Jokic as best non-selected Western center deserved to be chosen as Cousins replacement more than anyone else!
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#31 » by NuggetsWY » Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:57 pm

https://milehighsports.com/dan-issel-nikola-jokic-is-a-home-run-but-something-is-holding-him-back/

Dan Issel seems to think Jokic's exaggerating every contact is hurting his play.
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#32 » by skywalker33 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:53 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:https://milehighsports.com/dan-issel-nikola-jokic-is-a-home-run-but-something-is-holding-him-back/

Dan Issel seems to think Jokic's exaggerating every contact is hurting his play.


I can see it hurting his concentration and he does wear his emotions on his sleeve so there is that.

With Cousins going down with an ACL, do you think Jokic will be able to get into his 1st All-Star game or does LBJ still hold a grudge against hi and goes with Marc Gasol ??
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Re: Jokic's Year So Far 

Post#33 » by NuggetsWY » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:44 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:https://milehighsports.com/dan-issel-nikola-jokic-is-a-home-run-but-something-is-holding-him-back/

Dan Issel seems to think Jokic's exaggerating every contact is hurting his play.

I can see it hurting his concentration and he does wear his emotions on his sleeve so there is that.

With Cousins going down with an ACL, do you think Jokic will be able to get into his 1st All-Star game or does LBJ still hold a grudge against hi and goes with Marc Gasol ??

I think it also hurts him on fouls not being called. He fakes/exaggerates so much, the refs just ignore when he does get hit. Gallinari did the same thing and often did not get calls when he was legitimately fouled IMO. I do believe the same thing is happening to Jokic and he often complains to the ref, leaving him behind the play. He doesn't usually hurt the team doing that, but if he hurts the team once and it ends up being a close game ....

As for his 1st All-Star game? He clearly deserves to be there when considering the stats; especially because he is the only player in the same ball-park as Cousins (at center). Unfortunately, I doubt he'll get the nod. Paul George seems most likely and Chris Paul would be the second most likely. It does leave that team with no center, but the all-star game is a joke anyway, so it really doesn't matter. But that's just my opinion. I'm planning on spending my all-star weekend doing something much more exciting - watching paint dry comes to mind.

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