Looking Ahead - Contending Team

[The Rebel]

Beal > Harris
Plumlee >>> Mahinnmi
Millsap >>>Morris
Barton > OPJr

Hell No !!! No guarantee we'll have anywhere near the same chemistry, which appears non-existent in WAS already...these trades seem like trades for trade sake.

Ignore Otto Porter numbers of the current season. He is a 3rd most valuable player in this group, very close to Harris value. Potentially a perfect 3&D forward solution. Millsap is aging, and we can sign with him once again on the summer, but something like 35/2 deal.

WTF? Sorry but hell no, that trade is terrible for the Nuggets. Production wise I can easily argue that Harris is as valuable on his contract as Beal is on his, per dollar production is very similar. Porter JR is overpaid as hell, the value difference between him on his contract and Barton on his deal weighs pretty heavily on the side of Barton. No way am I giving up Plumlee for Mahinmi who was overpaid the minute he signed his deal and since his last injuries is now dead weight as he cannot be played, and that is not even getting into Millsap for Morris, Millsap is arguably the 3rd best player in this deal and has by far the best contract, his value is considerably more than filler at this point

[skywalker33]

Beal > Harris
Plumlee >>> Mahinnmi
Millsap >>>Morris
Barton > OPJr

Hell No !!! No guarantee we'll have anywhere near the same chemistry, which appears non-existent in WAS already...these trades seem like trades for trade sake.

Ignore Otto Porter numbers of the current season. He is a 3rd most valuable player in this group, very close to Harris value. Potentially a perfect 3&D forward solution. Millsap is aging, and we can sign with him once again on the summer, but something like 35/2 deal.

OPJ has been the same player the last FOUR years and he's actually regressed in his production this year. You use the word "potential" but it really looks like he may never reach his potential, perhaps that's because of the system he's in in WAS. I'm see Porter as neutral value at best and I'm not gutting a team with really good chemistry unless I KNOW that talent will help propel us towards a championship.

[NuggetsWY]

Beal > Harris
Plumlee >>> Mahinnmi
Millsap >>>Morris
Barton > OPJr

Hell No !!! No guarantee we'll have anywhere near the same chemistry, which appears non-existent in WAS already...these trades seem like trades for trade sake.

Ignore Otto Porter numbers of the current season. He is a 3rd most valuable player in this group, very close to Harris value. Potentially a perfect 3&D forward solution. Millsap is aging, and we can sign with him once again on the summer, but something like 35/2 deal.

WTF? Sorry but hell no, that trade is terrible for the Nuggets. Production wise I can easily argue that Harris is as valuable on his contract as Beal is on his, per dollar production is very similar. Porter JR is overpaid as hell, the value difference between him on his contract and Barton on his deal weighs pretty heavily on the side of Barton. No way am I giving up Plumlee for Mahinmi who was overpaid the minute he signed his deal and since his last injuries is now dead weight as he cannot be played, and that is not even getting into Millsap for Morris, Millsap is arguably the 3rd best player in this deal and has by far the best contract, his value is considerably more than filler at this point

I'd like either Oubre or O.Porter on the Nuggets and I'm willing to trade any of our forwards except M.Porter. They bring a toughness that we don't have, for the most part. Otto Porter's contract is just not worth trading for in my opinion. Oubre's is expiring. So they are totally different trades.

Harris & Beal seem roughly equal but Harris' contract is nicer.

Considering all of that, trades might be hard to work out. I like Rebel's earlier suggestion:

Gary Harris, Will Barton, Isaiah Thomas, Tyler Lydon, and a future 1st
Bradley Beal, Kelly Oubre JR, and Jason Smith

Denver's probably over-paying, especially adding that 1st - mostly because Oubre's an expiring and Smith 32 years old. But I'd still take this trade.

Jokic-Plumlee
Millsap-Lyles-Vanderbilt-Smith
O.Porter-M.Porter-Hernangomez
Beal-Beasley
Murray-Morris

and I'm very happy.

[RRFB]

Until another big injury happens, I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't think this team should pursue a major trade. As for the Wizards pieces, Otto Porter is a nice player but he's just not worth that max contract. Having that deal on the books would hold this team back more than Porter would help it on the floor. I've always liked Beal, but the difference between him and Harris isn't big enough to sacrifice multiple assets and disrupt the chemistry/continuity that has been built the last three years.

I strongly believe this team just needs to be patient, maintain financial flexibility, and not try to skip steps. They're clearly on the right track. There's no need to make an "all in" trade right now and with Murray looking at a new contract in a couple years, keeping the books clean should be a priority. I've always thought the plan was to re-sign Millsap to a cheaper long-term deal and given the teams' defensive improvement, I don't know how anyone could oppose that. I think there's an argument to be made for trading Lyles, but his value is going to be very low and we kind of need him in the rotation right now. Depending on what he fetches as an RFA next summer, I'd probably be fine with just letting him walk and handing his backup PF minutes to Juancho/MPJ/Vanderbilt next season.