youngthegiant wrote:skywalker33 wrote:Maf wrote:About as just it seems to me you want to pardon Lyles every time. I believe I watched between 20-22 Nuggets games this season and I can remember only the Orlando game where he was good. Anyway, sorry, won't continue with this debate. You will protect 41%, 24%, 67% shooter who has more TO than assists and say he's like huge reason Nuggets are winning. Fine. I had also some favourite bench players I thought they're better then they were like Najera or Kleiza.
I just return to Beasley and Plums. Yes, Beasley had a bad game, true. I disagree with Plums. He might have lesser statline but he left his heart on the floor. And almost his teeth if Adams didn't slow his fall. But Plums made some plays that bursted huge energy to his teammates and crowd. Like that block on Schroeder it was I think (and miiiight to be even goaltending
) that ended with fastbreak. Couple of really good assists (or passes because they didn't end up as assists as ball was moved to even more open shooter). Nah, sorry, but say what you say but Plums had good game even not shown with stats.
Appreciate you manning-up, makes for a reasonable conversation. Yes, I like Lyles, he's a valuable piece off a very good bench. Is he my favorite player ??? No, I just get annoyed that a few people treat him as a whippin post when he really isn't as bad as made out to be.
Others who claim to be Nugget fans (YtG for one) yet just have their own agendas because they like a certain player, not the team, that just irritates me to no end. Does he have some bad plays at times, absolutely, I'll call him on those too. But do other players make bad plays that don't get called out....absolutely !! Today, you called out Lyles yet glossed over Beasleys game. And I didn't say Plumlee played bad, in fact I agree with everything you said about him, I just pointed out how similar their statlines were that you called Lyles out on
You say you watched Lyles about 20-22 games and said he only had ONE good game. Perhaps you can [i]define[/i what a bad game is. Is it a negative +/- ?? He has had 8 games in the negative side but that also says he's had 20 on the positive side. How about his scoring ?? He has had 16 games with 9pts or more, also producing 5+rebs in 13 games, pretty good for a bench guy IMO. He a big off the bench, not sure what everyone expects but I say he does his job when called upon, I'll leave it at that.
I'm clearly a Nuggets fan lol and while I do love some guys on this roster more than others(who doesn't), I have no "agenda" as to why I don't like certain players, besides making this team better. You were ready to ship off Juancho a week into the season and even now continue to write your snarky little comments every time he makes a mistake. You were wrong about Juancho and you are dead wrong about Lyles. His future on this team is coming to an end and it's not because of my "agenda" but simple facts that say Trey Lyles isn't as good as we thought. I've always been skeptical of Lyles, I tried to be more optimistic with him entering the season but the last two months have confirmed my initial thoughts.
1.) Lyles and Jokic don't work. The only player that has a negative net rating while playing with Jokic is Trey Lyles. (-11 in over 150 minutes). Lyles has no chemistry with Jokic and his skills don't mesh well with him. If Jokic can't make you a good player then no one can. So if we can't play Lyles with Jokic....then Lyles can never start for this team.
2.) If Lyles can never start on this team then he tops off as bench scoring pf on this roster. He hasn't done so well in that role this season, all his percentages are down.
3.) So why should Denver commit to a player who honestly doesn't have a role on this team when everyone is healthy. He can't shoot, he has no hustle, he can't pass, his decision making is terrible and isn't a good defender....Denver has a ton of young players who could fill his role and Denver should not waste any cap space to keep him. We have Porter Jr., Juancho, Vanderbilt, and Cancar who could play minutes at pf.
4.) Denver could at very least get another young prospect or a couple of 2nds to recoup some value for one of the worst trades of all time to move #13 for Lyles and Lydon.
I'm done with Lyles and it isn't because I have some secret hate for him. He's just doesn't do anything that 4 other guys on the roster are capable of doing.
So you're a Nuggets fan ?? This is the Nuggets forum and the only time you come here is to post "Lyles needs to be traded" ...and you've posted that the reason you want him traded is to get Juancho more minutes because you like him more, I've seen it myself that's why I KNOW you have an agenda.
As for my thread about Juancho being traded, it was because, at the time, he was an asset that wasn't being used and could bring back a future asset. It wasn't because I wanted "my favorite player" to get more PT, it was about the best interest of the team. And your assessment doesn't look at what he (Trey) did last year for this team whatsoever, I have a hard time believing you aren't jaded.
As for your points, lets's go:
1. I'm on record saying Lyles is a bench guy who can spot start (he did quite well last year), not a starter. And you bring up Jokic playing that 150min along side Lyles, that under SIX mins a game so that very poor assessment on your part as they don't plat a lot together.
2. Yes, his percentages are down, but so are a lot of the team's players, Jokic's percentages are down, Murray's are down yet I don't see you clamoring that they need to be traded ????? BIASED MUCH ?? Another failed argument !
3. This one just show how ignorant your arguments are. Can't shoot ?? He's scoring about 10ppg, just like Juancho, let's just trade them BOTH !!
His role is off the bench, there is a reason Malone brings him off the bench early, he DOES have a role. I won't argue we have some players who can fill that role off the bench, but none do it better right now. MPJ is going to be the SFOTF but is hurt right now, as is Vanderbilt so neither of those are options right now. Cancar looks to be a SF too, he's 6'9" and 210lbs too slight to play PF. And Juancho perhaps can do the job but the Nuggets are currently utilizing him at SF ( can't say I've been really impressed, good hustle but s/b more aggressive IMO). Those options aren't available this season yet they are part of your argument ??? A stretch by any means but better than your other point.
4. This is one to debate a bit more. I am not against trading Lyles, FOR THE RIGHT RETURN, FOR THE RIGHT REASON. Maybe this is part of your issue with Lyles, he isn't the return that you expected because of what Mitchell has developed into. Is that HIS fault he was traded or the FO's responsibility ? This sounds like the same type argument " she deserved to get raped because she dresses provocatively"....just stupid !!! Hard to fault
him for the results of that trade, right ??
Now it's obvious you have your opinion on Lyles and it differs from mine, but yours seems (to me anyway) to be of your own agenda, not for the betterment of this team. I am tired of your bellowing for LYLES NEEDS TO BE TRADED, at least without some better reasoning than Juancho needs more mins. It's why I don't see you as anything more than a fan of player(s) you like rather than a true Nuggets fan.
