Draft

[skywalker33]

We did need some 3-pt shooting, Bol Bol was great at it. He can just stay out at the arc, no one is gonna block his shot !!

Low risk, high reward pick.

[skywalker33]

Anyone have some extra Adamantium we could use in Bol Bol's rehab ???

[THE J0KER]

Some things will never change in NBA. Before draft Phoenix Suns has #6 and #32 pick, we have no picks at all, but somehow once again, at the end of the day we get better player from this draft than Suns.

I hoped all day yesterday for the news about "Will Barton for 2nd rounder" trade. We didn't trade (still) Will Barton, but we (still) take that 2nd rounder, and which is more important we use it very well. Call me biased, but Bol Bol is my favorite 2nd round pick from entire yesterday draft, not just in 40+ category.

If he stays healthy we can use him 10-15 mpg already during rookie season I'm pretty sure he is already better and useful than Welsh. Remember Boban Marjanovic case, where elite NBA centers and opponent rotations successfully use his weakness, but he really dominate against 2nd units and backup centers. With Bol Bol height and skills why not expect at least the same from him in the early phase of his career, and what else we need with Jokic around from backup center than to produce some good numbers vs opponent second units? In best case scenario he will be a starter level big man able to adopt his game to Jokic. Will he be able to play some Porzingis type of PF game with that height and good shooting, or will Malone find some successful "Twin Towers" formula I don't know, but in that case this will be the steal of the draft. But that say, no matter on his success, player with that body type construction will always be potential injury prone, but taking him this late in the draft we can live with that for sure. His father is even taller and played 75+ games in career first six seasons. I wish this guy at least the same. With Bol around maybe our FO should be even more comfortable to try to trade not just Barton but Plumlee too and use that bigger cap space for forward position improvement.

[skywalker33]

I can see us trying to trade Barton but I'd bet Plumlee stays and we can use his cap space for next year. Keeping Plumlee will keep continuity and also allow Bol some extra time to heal and get ready for the NBA. If we do trade Plumlee, I'd bet it's around the deadline and we'd have to get a good piece back for him as a good player on an expiring contract.

Bol can really change this team, his outside shooting should create spacing while his shot-blocking will help with some 2nd team defense. He won't be asked to play many minutes backing up Jokic so that will benefit him as well.

[THE J0KER]

I can see us trying to trade Barton but I'd bet Plumlee stays and we can use his cap space for next year. Keeping Plumlee will keep continuity and also allow Bol some extra time to heal and get ready for the NBA. If we do trade Plumlee, I'd bet it's around the deadline and we'd have to get a good piece back for him as a good player on an expiring contract.

Bol can really change this team, his outside shooting should create spacing while his shot-blocking will help with some 2nd team defense. He won't be asked to play many minutes backing up Jokic so that will benefit him as well.

We have already a good team, and without any new FA/trade roster change, our team will be at least the same good. But if we really want some notable improvement via trade or FA market it must be an extra TOP50 player which we can't get if we do not dump in the same time Barton, Plumlee, and decline Millsap. And please note that next season when Millsap and Plumlee deal will be out anyway, FA market will be terribly bad compared to this summer. The only TOP15 talent Davis are already locked in the new team, and there are just a few other TOP30 players compared to 2019 FA market, and we must re-sign Murray to the max (because lack of quality players in 2020 FA class and 2016 draft class, MAX will be Murray price or we gonna lose him), and Beasley and Craig price will not stay this cheap for sure.

[skywalker33]

I can see us trying to trade Barton but I'd bet Plumlee stays and we can use his cap space for next year. Keeping Plumlee will keep continuity and also allow Bol some extra time to heal and get ready for the NBA. If we do trade Plumlee, I'd bet it's around the deadline and we'd have to get a good piece back for him as a good player on an expiring contract.

Bol can really change this team, his outside shooting should create spacing while his shot-blocking will help with some 2nd team defense. He won't be asked to play many minutes backing up Jokic so that will benefit him as well.

We have already a good team, and without any new FA/trade roster change, our team will be at least the same good. But if we really want some notable improvement via trade or FA market it must be an extra TOP50 player which we can't get if we do not dump in the same time Barton, Plumlee, and decline Millsap. And please note that next season when Millsap and Plumlee deal will be out anyway, FA market will be terribly bad compared to this summer. The only TOP15 talent Davis are already locked in the new team, and there are just a few other TOP30 players compared to 2019 FA market, and we must re-sign Murray to the max (because lack of quality players in 2020 FA class and 2016 draft class, MAX will be Murray price or we gonna lose him), and Beasley and Craig price will not stay this cheap for sure.

You get way too caught up in all this TOP30, TOP50 crap, it's team concept here in DEN. How many TOP50 did Toronto have ??? One ??

And while I agree this is one of the top free agent classes in a while, we built a top 5 team, not from free agents but thru the draft
and trades (and trades are still iffy IMO). Would it be nice to get a Kawhi ??? Sure but not likely. But could we add someone who fills our SF or PF spot better and still improve, ABSOLUTELY. Our opinions differ but I do get we're looking for the same thing

[Coeur]

I can see us trying to trade Barton but I'd bet Plumlee stays and we can use his cap space for next year. Keeping Plumlee will keep continuity and also allow Bol some extra time to heal and get ready for the NBA. If we do trade Plumlee, I'd bet it's around the deadline and we'd have to get a good piece back for him as a good player on an expiring contract.

Bol can really change this team, his outside shooting should create spacing while his shot-blocking will help with some 2nd team defense. He won't be asked to play many minutes backing up Jokic so that will benefit him as well.

We have already a good team, and without any new FA/trade roster change, our team will be at least the same good. But if we really want some notable improvement via trade or FA market it must be an extra TOP50 player which we can't get if we do not dump in the same time Barton, Plumlee, and decline Millsap. And please note that next season when Millsap and Plumlee deal will be out anyway, FA market will be terribly bad compared to this summer. The only TOP15 talent Davis are already locked in the new team, and there are just a few other TOP30 players compared to 2019 FA market, and we must re-sign Murray to the max (because lack of quality players in 2020 FA class and 2016 draft class, MAX will be Murray price or we gonna lose him), and Beasley and Craig price will not stay this cheap for sure.

Plumlee has to stay unless another big was brought in. It would be nice to believe welsh and Bolbol are ready but?

[NuggetsWY]

I can see us trying to trade Barton but I'd bet Plumlee stays and we can use his cap space for next year. Keeping Plumlee will keep continuity and also allow Bol some extra time to heal and get ready for the NBA. If we do trade Plumlee, I'd bet it's around the deadline and we'd have to get a good piece back for him as a good player on an expiring contract.

Bol can really change this team, his outside shooting should create spacing while his shot-blocking will help with some 2nd team defense. He won't be asked to play many minutes backing up Jokic so that will benefit him as well.

We have already a good team, and without any new FA/trade roster change, our team will be at least the same good. But if we really want some notable improvement via trade or FA market it must be an extra TOP50 player which we can't get if we do not dump in the same time Barton, Plumlee, and decline Millsap. And please note that next season when Millsap and Plumlee deal will be out anyway, FA market will be terribly bad compared to this summer. The only TOP15 talent Davis are already locked in the new team, and there are just a few other TOP30 players compared to 2019 FA market, and we must re-sign Murray to the max (because lack of quality players in 2020 FA class and 2016 draft class, MAX will be Murray price or we gonna lose him), and Beasley and Craig price will not stay this cheap for sure.

and don't forget, we do not HAVE to spend EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR next year - we could hold some for the year after plus our young players are going to start getting bigger contracts - Murray & Hernangomez & Craig & Beasley will be looking for big contracts next year (if they don't give them one this year) plus Porter will be eligible for a new contract I think

[THE J0KER]

Spoiler:

I can see us trying to trade Barton but I'd bet Plumlee stays and we can use his cap space for next year. Keeping Plumlee will keep continuity and also allow Bol some extra time to heal and get ready for the NBA. If we do trade Plumlee, I'd bet it's around the deadline and we'd have to get a good piece back for him as a good player on an expiring contract.

Bol can really change this team, his outside shooting should create spacing while his shot-blocking will help with some 2nd team defense. He won't be asked to play many minutes backing up Jokic so that will benefit him as well.

We have already a good team, and without any new FA/trade roster change, our team will be at least the same good. But if we really want some notable improvement via trade or FA market it must be an extra TOP50 player which we can't get if we do not dump in the same time Barton, Plumlee, and decline Millsap. And please note that next season when Millsap and Plumlee deal will be out anyway, FA market will be terribly bad compared to this summer. The only TOP15 talent Davis are already locked in the new team, and there are just a few other TOP30 players compared to 2019 FA market, and we must re-sign Murray to the max (because lack of quality players in 2020 FA class and 2016 draft class, MAX will be Murray price or we gonna lose him), and Beasley and Craig price will not stay this cheap for sure.

You get way too caught up in all this TOP30, TOP50 crap, it's team concept here in DEN. How many TOP50 did Toronto have ??? One ??

And while I agree this is one of the top free agent classes in a while, we built a top 5 team, not from free agents but thru the draft
and trades (and trades are still iffy IMO). Would it be nice to get a Kawhi ??? Sure but not likely. But could we add someone who fills our SF or PF spot better and still improve, ABSOLUTELY. Our opinions differ but I do get we're looking for the same thing

You just asked the key question, but you offer the wrong answer. Toronto has one TOP5, not one TOP50 player. But we also have a TOP5 player, Jokic played this playoff as a true superstar. Toronto has three other TOP50 players (Siakam, Lowry, DPOY Gasol) with a couple other very useful (Ibaka, D.Green, VanVleet, Powell), while we have only one other TOP50 player in Murray and couple of others very useful (Harris, Millsap, Beasley, Craig). That is why the real final of 2019 once GSW team becomes flying hospital was Toronto-Philadelphia series with two teams able to accumulate 4 TOP50 players (in Sixers case Embiid as a star, and Butler, Simmons, T.Harris as TOP50). Actually, it is more precise to use TOP40, but OK...

The playoff is a completely different story than the regular season, that is why GSW superdeep team from 2016 season achieved best ever 73-9 regular season record, but forced to play 7 games vs OKC in WC final, and lost big final vs Cleveland, while very next season they lose all depth but get another superstar in Durant, so they have notable worse regular season record, but marched thru playoff losing just one single game (out of 17). After all, DeRozan superdeep Toronto in 2017-18 has better regular season than this Kawhi Toronto, but Clevland sweeps them routinely.

How important is to have an extra star in playoff you can see from Murray playoff numbers. He was our most inconsistent player in terms of shooting efficiency, but also, he is the only our player with the ability to join Jokic to an all-star level. Jokic played TOP5 basketball all the time, so when Murray played an all-star game or close (TOP30 level) that was always too much for San Antonio or Portland. Also, GSW played vs Portland without Durant and Cousins, but together with superstar Curry they have not one but two TOP30 players (Klay and Dray, both more consistent than Jamal), and that was enough to sweep Blazers, despite zero depth in rest of the roster (with only Iggy useful ones). Talking about Portland, Lillard played basketball of his life in this playoff (but Jokic was clearly better), while McCollum whole series vs Denver played as an all-star guard, so they have two stars every game while we have it only when Murray has a good day. If we add to Jokic and Murray for the upcoming season one single player of McCollum, DeRozan, Aldridge, Butler, T.Harris, Lowry, Siakam, Gasol TOP40 LEVEL our improvement for the playoff-2020 will be huge compared to 2019 postseason even if we lose some depth and not improve our regular season record.

[Coeur]

Spoiler:

We have already a good team, and without any new FA/trade roster change, our team will be at least the same good. But if we really want some notable improvement via trade or FA market it must be an extra TOP50 player which we can't get if we do not dump in the same time Barton, Plumlee, and decline Millsap. And please note that next season when Millsap and Plumlee deal will be out anyway, FA market will be terribly bad compared to this summer. The only TOP15 talent Davis are already locked in the new team, and there are just a few other TOP30 players compared to 2019 FA market, and we must re-sign Murray to the max (because lack of quality players in 2020 FA class and 2016 draft class, MAX will be Murray price or we gonna lose him), and Beasley and Craig price will not stay this cheap for sure.

You get way too caught up in all this TOP30, TOP50 crap, it's team concept here in DEN. How many TOP50 did Toronto have ??? One ??

And while I agree this is one of the top free agent classes in a while, we built a top 5 team, not from free agents but thru the draft
and trades (and trades are still iffy IMO). Would it be nice to get a Kawhi ??? Sure but not likely. But could we add someone who fills our SF or PF spot better and still improve, ABSOLUTELY. Our opinions differ but I do get we're looking for the same thing

You just asked the key question, but you offer the wrong answer. Toronto has one TOP5, not one TOP50 player. But we also have a TOP5 player, Jokic played this playoff as a true superstar. Toronto has three other TOP50 players (Siakam, Lowry, DPOY Gasol) with a couple other very useful (Ibaka, D.Green, VanVleet, Powell), while we have only one other TOP50 player in Murray and couple of others very useful (Harris, Millsap, Beasley, Craig). That is why the real final of 2019 once GSW team becomes flying hospital was Toronto-Philadelphia series with two teams able to accumulate 4 TOP50 players (in Sixers case Embiid as a star, and Butler, Simmons, T.Harris as TOP50). Actually, it is more precise to use TOP40, but OK...

The playoff is a completely different story than the regular season, that is why GSW superdeep team from 2016 season achieved best ever 73-9 regular season record, but forced to play 7 games vs OKC in WC final, and lost big final vs Cleveland, while very next season they lose all depth but get another superstar in Durant, so they have notable worse regular season record, but marched thru playoff losing just one single game (out of 17). After all, DeRozan superdeep Toronto in 2017-18 has better regular season than this Kawhi Toronto, but Clevland sweeps them routinely.

How important is to have an extra star in playoff you can see from Murray playoff numbers. He was our most inconsistent player in terms of shooting efficiency, but also, he is the only our player with the ability to join Jokic to an all-star level. Jokic played TOP5 basketball all the time, so when Murray played an all-star game or close (TOP30 level) that was always too much for San Antonio or Portland. Also, GSW played vs Portland without Durant and Cousins, but together with superstar Curry they have not one but two TOP30 players (Klay and Dray, both more consistent than Jamal), and that was enough to sweep Blazers, despite zero depth in rest of the roster (with only Iggy useful ones). Talking about Portland, Lillard played basketball of his life in this playoff (but Jokic was clearly better), while McCollum whole series vs Denver played as an all-star guard, so they have two stars every game while we have it only when Murray has a good day. If we add to Jokic and Murray for the upcoming season one single player of McCollum, DeRozan, Aldridge, Butler, T.Harris, Lowry, Siakam, Gasol TOP40 LEVEL our improvement for the playoff-2020 will be huge compared to 2019 postseason even if we lose some depth and not improve our regular season record.

Another great explanation on why it’s a must for Nugs to be aggressive in finding a way to get another top end talent.

[Coeur]

I’m understanding of not going in too hard on this draft without much/any space. But.........

2 guys on my list of perfect Nugs are both still there and strange enough they are Bolbol teammates

Kenny Wooten- this guy fills a need of what I think the team needs which is a super athletic defender and shotblocker. I thought Brandon Clarke was the perfect Nug and that this guy was the next step from him. I would love welsh and this guy as the 2 way players


Louis King would be another perfect project to bury if possible at 15th man. With possibility of losses in a year of the Harris/Barton/Beasley/Craig/juancho he’s a super high ceiling




The part of these three guys that doesn’t make sense is there must be some serious **** somewhere. These 2 I want now and Bolbol have way too much talent. So maybe Nugs are the worst spot for one of the others 2 or more importantly best for Bolbol


Maybe King and Wooten could be sneaky great additions as 15-17 guys?