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Game 2 : Los Angeles Clippers (1-0) @ Denver Nuggets (0-1) - 10:30 PM

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Re: Game 2 : Los Angeles Clippers (1-0) @ Denver Nuggets (0-1) - 10:30 PM 

Post#21 » by skywalker33 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:03 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Its not just about losing the games, its how the team have played in those game , some things that weren't corrected from the last season are still there . Stagnant offense , not able to stop anyone on the perimeter , why to double George or Leonard all the time and have the open people behind the three point line , if you are not committed to recover and contest the shots at least try to play man to man defense, and if they score two points on you live with that , better two than three points .


With your optimism, maybe we should just start the "Tank for Cade" cries right now !! :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK, it might be a bit too early for that... but he WOULD make this team UNSTOPPABLE !!
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Post#22 » by cjx » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:34 pm

The season should have started around New Year's Day.

Anyway, you'll see the inexpugnable Nuggets in the Finals against the Nets. All-ABA Nuggets-Nets Finals, book it!
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Re: Game 2 : Los Angeles Clippers (1-0) @ Denver Nuggets (0-1) - 10:30 PM 

Post#23 » by NuggetsWY » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:36 pm

My opinion, and that's not worth much based on how much the NBA DOESN'T pay me :lol: ; is basically the same things are wrong this year as I complained about last year. But remember that as last season progressed, the Nuggets became much better at most of the game. That's expected out of young players and while Jokic, Murray, Millsap, Barton, Harris are not truly "young" based on playing time, much of the rest of the team is very young. (((Let's also remember that JaMychal Green should be able to help, somewhat - especially on defense and boards. Or at least we hope so.)))

Defense

1. I don't like the way the Nuggets tend to run at/past 3pt shooters. A simple up-fake followed by a pause gives the opponent an open 3pt shot. But there are a lot of teams that take the same approach. So it is not necessarily a problem.

2. I do not believe the Nuggets are very good at help defense. This is something that takes time to learn and we have a lot of young players. I do believe we should be better at it, but ... everyone looks bad on defense unless everyone is good at help defense.

3. I do not believe the Nuggets are even trying to switch off from mis-matches that result from picks. This too often leaves a big on the perimeter trying to keep up with a much quicker player and a smaller player trying to fight against a big on the inside. Those match ups don't typically work out well for the defense.

Offense - Motion, motion, motion: the more players move, the easier it is for Jokic to make those spectacular passes that we all love; which typically result in easy buckets at the rim (or at least open shots).
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Re: Game 2 : Los Angeles Clippers (1-0) @ Denver Nuggets (0-1) - 10:30 PM 

Post#24 » by skywalker33 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:03 am

NuggetsWY wrote:Offense - Motion, motion, motion: the more players move, the easier it is for Jokic to make those spectacular passes that we all love; which typically result in easy buckets at the rim (or at least open shots).


Would've been spectacular to see Jokic in a Doug Moe offense, right ??
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Post#25 » by psimanic1 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:38 am

You cant run that offense when Barton takes the ball... If we could somehow combine Barton and MPJ, we would still have someone who doesnt pass but playing good D with really good shoot and going to the rim but finishing with authority instead of layups Barton does... Barton looks like he is playing for next contract, as he probably should, but putting himself first. Yes, he does nice things on defense, mostly, but on offense, oh man.. Really narrow tunnel vision..
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Post#26 » by The Rebel » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:53 am

psimanic1 wrote:You cant run that offense when Barton takes the ball... If we could somehow combine Barton and MPJ, we would still have someone who doesnt pass but playing good D with really good shoot and going to the rim but finishing with authority instead of layups Barton does... Barton looks like he is playing for next contract, as he probably should, but putting himself first. Yes, he does nice things on defense, mostly, but on offense, oh man.. Really narrow tunnel vision..

MPJ was better on defense than Barton was last night. I think you are right, Barton is not interested in playing within the offense or working hard on defense this year. It looks like it is all about him.
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Post#27 » by Timmyyy » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:41 am

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psimanic1 wrote:You cant run that offense when Barton takes the ball... If we could somehow combine Barton and MPJ, we would still have someone who doesnt pass but playing good D with really good shoot and going to the rim but finishing with authority instead of layups Barton does... Barton looks like he is playing for next contract, as he probably should, but putting himself first. Yes, he does nice things on defense, mostly, but on offense, oh man.. Really narrow tunnel vision..

MPJ was better on defense than Barton was last night. I think you are right, Barton is not interested in playing within the offense or working hard on defense this year. It looks like it is all about him.


Yeah I agree. Please let us not forget that last year was Bartons ONLY good defensive year. He was a negative his whole career before.
Sadly, that only proofs what I suspected before last season. That he can if he actually cares. But obviously that doesn't happen very often. If we get back the Barton of before last season, we will see the occasional good on ball defense, but no effort team defense. And I agree, I take the flashes of Porter 1. improving on D and 2. actually caring to get better over a gamble on Barton repeating his one and only good defensive season.
It indeed is all about him. He doesn't get what he wants and as a result is beefing, not really giving effort on D like last year and is playing offense as if he wants to showcase himself.
I think we would still lose a lot of quality if he is gone, but right now it seems to me we should search for a trade that is solving that problem.
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Re: Game 2 : Los Angeles Clippers (1-0) @ Denver Nuggets (0-1) - 10:30 PM 

Post#28 » by Timmyyy » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:46 am

The Rebel wrote:The biggest issue to me is at PF, Millsap is getting destroyed on the boards, he is struggling to guard guys, and he has nothing left on offense. He is completely washed and it is obvious when you watch him. Bol is also terrible, I am sorry I know a lot of you guys love him, but he has a long way to go before he is a positive player in this league. Green getting healthy may help, but right now I see that as our worst weakness.


I agree with the rest of your post and even with parts of what you say in that paragraph.
I agree that PF is the maybe the biggest problem, that won't solve itself with time (I think our guard play and team rebounding were by far the biggest problems in the first two games but at least the guard play should get back to normal in time without adjustments). Green is injured, Bol didn't get involved in anything in the few minutes he got and Malones solution with playing Dozier there might not have completely killed us in the games but it also wasn't good except for a few minutes at the beginning of the 4th and long term at some point we will get killed playing this lineup. So I hope Malone will be testing more different lineups to solve it, like giving Nnaji a shot at real rotation minutes or testing MPJ a little more at PF. Otherwise I just hope that Green will give us a needed boost at that position.

Where I disagree is with Millsap. He played a good first game and an average to solid second one, especially offensively. Played within the flow, hit some threes, had some finishes around the basket and moved the ball. The times of Millsap post ups are over, thats right, but that was a weaker part of our offense anyway. Of course he also lost a little on other things on offense, but the dude is still smart enough to do the right things and to not be a liability. I am actually a little surprised, that you point him out for offense after two games where he did exactly what I, personally, think he is supposed to do and he did it with solid efficiency. Defensively his times as our co-anchor next to Jokic are over, too. His rebounding is really falling of. So far I agree. But he still is a rock solid team defender with his positioning, helping (although only within his athletic limitations), communicating and even sometimes the smarts during one on one coverage in the post. He is too slow to guard the perimeter, doesn't have the athleticism to give us more as a help defender and he isn't the one on one defender in the post he used to be but his overall package on D is in my opinion still a solid plus.
That being said that type of player you optimally want as your 10-20 min rotation guy of the bench or as a really low minutes starter. In that scenario you need a better option coming in when he gets out and we do not have such an option. This is were I see the problem. I think Millsap still provides his impact in low minutes but you need AT LEAST the same type of impact for the rest of the minutes at PF too.

Right now the only internal hopes are that Green is that guy, we get a good enough defensive lineup with MPJ at PF or Nnaji is ready to go, but the things Malone is trying I think are about to become a disaster.

Your concerns about rebounding I share, as I said in this post and in a different one in this thread. But I think it is about our team rebounding where Millsap of course is a big part of but not the only part. For me the takeaway of the first two games was more that our rebounding is dysfunctional on the team level than one or more specific players failing on the individual level. But of course Millsap lost impact in that regard too.

It remains to be seen what Malone will do to fix the PF and rebounding situation! I will definitely keep a close eye on it the next few games.
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Re: Game 2 : Los Angeles Clippers (1-0) @ Denver Nuggets (0-1) - 10:30 PM 

Post#29 » by Mickey8 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:54 pm

That's how you play against the Clippers and the others on paper favorite teams , Clippers are trash but Denver always make every overrated team look like the world beaters, because Denver play against them like the little scared puppies, that's the Malone's coaching psychology, his coaching signature, that's why Denver will never be a front runner to win the championship .
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Re: Game 2 : Los Angeles Clippers (1-0) @ Denver Nuggets (0-1) - 10:30 PM 

Post#30 » by skywalker33 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:18 am

Mickey8 wrote:That's how you play against the Clippers and the others on paper favorite teams , Clippers are trash but Denver always make every overrated team look like the world-beaters, because Denver play against them like the little scared puppies, that's the Malone's coaching psychology, his coaching signature, that's why Denver will never be a front runner to win the championship .


Wanna tell me how "scared Puppies" beat them in the playoffs last year ??? The more you post the stupider we all get after reading your posts. Please, go be a NYK fan, we can be amicable then... :lol:
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Post#31 » by Mickey8 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:44 pm

I am telling you , this team have no fear factor, nobody fears this team, thats why they are winning very hard, they go to the deficit hole and they have to dig themselves out of it way too often and that luck will run out eventually, thats not championship basketball , also without crowd , home court advantage is gone . My posts are not stupid , its the right observations , its more your dumb responses than my posts being stupid :wink:
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Re: Game 2 : Los Angeles Clippers (1-0) @ Denver Nuggets (0-1) - 10:30 PM 

Post#32 » by skywalker33 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:34 pm

Mickey8 wrote:I am telling you , this team have no fear factor, nobody fears this team, thats why they are winning very hard, they go to the deficit hole and they have to dig themselves out of it way too often and that luck will run out eventually, thats not championship basketball , also without crowd , home court advantage is gone . My posts are not stupid , its the right observations , its more your dumb responses than my posts being stupid :wink:


So you’re saying the Nuggets are just patsies, lucky they win any games because they always dig themselves into huge holes they are just lucky to get out of ? And we did this all the way to the WCF, yeah, nothing stupid about that theory :banghead:
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Re: Game 2 : Los Angeles Clippers (1-0) @ Denver Nuggets (0-1) - 10:30 PM 

Post#33 » by Mickey8 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:46 pm

It was the bubble thing , Denver was more adopted to the environment, see Murray's performances .
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Post#34 » by Richard Miller » Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:16 pm

Mickey8 wrote:I am telling you , this team have no fear factor, nobody fears this team, thats why they are winning very hard,


Nice theory, but it's wrong, I mean what kind of "fear factor" Dallas has? Outside Luka they are bunch of role players, I really can't imagine the Clippers were stricken with fear. :lol: The only thing they legit don't have is superstar calls, no big market team would've had the refs favoring freakin' Sacramento on an away game.

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