The Rebel wrote:Another idea for trading Murray is what if you could do a 4 team deal with the 76ers, KNicks, and Hawks?
76ers Simmons and Thybulle for Murray and Snell.
The 76ers seem to want to move Simmons and I think Murray and Embiid would be a deadly pair, especially with Harris as the 3rd option and the 3 and d guys they already have to surround them.
Atlanta trade Hunter, Collins, Huerter, Snell and 2 future 1st for Simmons and Dozier?
Atlanta gets their 2nd ball handler in Simmons who improves their defense and can play as a big in the Hawks system, which I think is more his natural position. Dozier gives them a nice bench defender that they will also need moving Hunter.
The Knicks get Barton and Thybulle for taking them into their cap room. Barton will have value as a stabilizing veteran and may get them a pick at the deadline, and Thybulle is a perimeter defender they can develop.
Denver trades Murray, Barton, and Dozier for Hunter, Collins, Huerter, and 2 future 1st round picks.
We end up with Collins who I think is a great fit at PF for MPJ and Jokic, Hunter is a good defensive swing forward that can be a huge upgrade on Dozier, and Huerter would be a great bench sniper to pair with Campazzo.
Less of a fan of this one, but I wouldn't be too upset. I'd prefer to keep Murray if it didn't destroy this suggestion.
Murray with Embiid would be crazy great IMO; so the Sixers ought to like it.
The Hawks might be over-paying, but Simmons would be worth it and he'd fit in their system, so they would probably like this one.
I wonder if the Knicks would get involved in this. They might hold out for a better offer of players or maybe a pick. But this seems fair and decent for them.
If the Nuggets let the Hawks keep one of those draft picks, I think this deal works out faster. Although I think the balance is equitable as presented. I'll admit, it looks good for Denver.
I am not sure I would do either deal, but both would make me think long and hard about it, and in the end I think it is dumb not to at least consider trading Murray.
I think Hunter and Collins are exactly what we need at forward and I think we have too many guards. Plus I like the future picks, Atlanta maybe overpaying but if you look at the prices that all star type of talents are going for it could be argued that they are not giving enough.
Barton and Thybulle would both be huge upgrades on the Knicks roster, and I think Barton can be flipped for a 1st at the trade deadline, so I don't know what more the KNicks would want?
Did you know in MPJs last game he put up 30 and 10 on 18 shots? That is a very efficient game, as was the 1st game of the season with 24 points on 15 shots. You know what else happened with those 2 games, Murray played terrible game 1 and was out the last MPJ game. To me he looks like a true number 1 scorer, Murray is more of a 2nd scorer on a great team or a number 1 guy on a bad team. While fully capable of being a number 1 scorer I think Jokic prefers to be the 2nd scorer, and I do not think Murray is a 3rd guy.
While we all loved what Murray did in the playoffs, the image that sticks in my mind is of all the guys we had standing at the 3 point line watching Murray score and occasionally pass the ball to Jokic. If Murray is not creating shots or shooting his own shots what other skill is he elite at? He is about average defensively, he is a below average rebounding guard, and really is not a guy who is going to do all the dirty work on a nightly basis.
Jokic is a true franchise player, i think Murray could be if he was engaged every night, and I think MPJ can develop into 1, but I don't think the 3 of them truly fit together. If we could trade Murray for a true 3rd star type, a defensive role playing SF/PF with upside, and picks than I think it makes the team better now and long term.