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Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece

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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#21 » by psimanic1 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:48 pm

Can we expect to see him tonight?
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#22 » by Manolito » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:13 pm

New players won´t be available tonight, Gordon´s trade is not even official yet. They will play on Sunday
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#23 » by FilNugsFan » Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:08 pm

I wasn't that high on Gordon to be honest especially after reports came out that he prefers a big market. But wow! In just 2 games, we're already seeing the impact he has brought to the team.

AG's arrival seemed to have revitalized the team especially the starters. His intensity already has fed off his teammates. That extra bounce and confidence in each of them have been noticeable.

Still a small sample size, but I guess it's safe to say that AG makes us a better team. Exciting times ahead for Nuggets Nation.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#24 » by skywalker33 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:19 pm

Jerami WHO ??????
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#25 » by Manolito » Fri Apr 2, 2021 8:28 am

Allow me a bit a ego search at Nuggets trades thread. Not big merit, I think it was really obvious

30th December 2018
Manolito wrote:Hi guys, would you trade for Aaron Gordon?

There ist a logjam at Orlando backcourt and they could consider that Isaac has higher ceiling.

AG x Barton + Lyles + Juancho (with AG & MPj we would not need him) + IT2 (Idk if he has now any value).

Obviously Barton should be recovered and fully healthy before suggesting such offer


15th February 2019
Manolito wrote:What about Aaron Gordon x Barton + Beasley + Juancho?


13th February 2020
Manolito wrote:It has been reported that Magic had been trying to move Aaron Gordon at the deadline and Nuggets had some interest on him. I think he could be a good piece to add next summer, specially considering Nuggets have to beat LeBron - Davis & Kawhi - PG. He might be an insurance for Michael Porter jr and a lineup him and Grant would be elite in defense.

Barton + salary filler (KBD?) x Gordon would be a great deal. Gordon still have two years in a friendly contract


21st November 2020

Manolito wrote:I agree we have the assets and cap flexibility to find the starting PF in a trade. My proposals

Aaron Gordon
PJ Tucker
Thaddeus Young


Obviously Prio1 would be Gordon, but a rotation Tucker - Green is pretty solid IMO


29th November 2020

Manolito wrote:Am I the only one thinking about Aaron Gordon as a perfect fit?

I don't think the package Barton plus Monte is enough, probably a FRP should be added although I would hate that (maybe two swaps are enough?)
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#26 » by NuggetsWY » Fri Apr 2, 2021 12:10 pm

Manolito wrote:Allow me a bit a ego search at Nuggets trades thread. Not big merit, I think it was really obvious

30th December 2018
Manolito wrote:Hi guys, would you trade for Aaron Gordon?

There ist a logjam at Orlando backcourt and they could consider that Isaac has higher ceiling.

AG x Barton + Lyles + Juancho (with AG & MPj we would not need him) + IT2 (Idk if he has now any value).

Obviously Barton should be recovered and fully healthy before suggesting such offer


15th February 2019
Manolito wrote:What about Aaron Gordon x Barton + Beasley + Juancho?


13th February 2020
Manolito wrote:It has been reported that Magic had been trying to move Aaron Gordon at the deadline and Nuggets had some interest on him. I think he could be a good piece to add next summer, specially considering Nuggets have to beat LeBron - Davis & Kawhi - PG. He might be an insurance for Michael Porter jr and a lineup him and Grant would be elite in defense.

Barton + salary filler (KBD?) x Gordon would be a great deal. Gordon still have two years in a friendly contract


21st November 2020

Manolito wrote:I agree we have the assets and cap flexibility to find the starting PF in a trade. My proposals

Aaron Gordon
PJ Tucker
Thaddeus Young


Obviously Prio1 would be Gordon, but a rotation Tucker - Green is pretty solid IMO


29th November 2020

Manolito wrote:Am I the only one thinking about Aaron Gordon as a perfect fit?

I don't think the package Barton plus Monte is enough, probably a FRP should be added although I would hate that (maybe two swaps are enough?)

:tooth :bowdown: I'll confess, I wasn't a fan of Gordon and I was wrong, based on his first games. It sure did seem like he was an ISO player looking to score and he can score.

The really nice thing is that he seems to have welcomed a totally different role in Denver. He's brought more motion to our offense and our defense - it would be great if everyone learned from him. IMO our team's defense has been improving this year in terms of switching and covering; but Gordon seems to have pushed our team defense to a new level.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#27 » by TunaFish » Fri Apr 2, 2021 1:35 pm

Gordon's defense in the Clippers game was outstanding. It's the difference in why the Nuggets are so much better than before the trade deadline.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#28 » by Manolito » Fri Apr 2, 2021 2:12 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:
Manolito wrote:Allow me a bit a ego search at Nuggets trades thread. Not big merit, I think it was really obvious

30th December 2018
Manolito wrote:Hi guys, would you trade for Aaron Gordon?

There ist a logjam at Orlando backcourt and they could consider that Isaac has higher ceiling.

AG x Barton + Lyles + Juancho (with AG & MPj we would not need him) + IT2 (Idk if he has now any value).

Obviously Barton should be recovered and fully healthy before suggesting such offer


15th February 2019
Manolito wrote:What about Aaron Gordon x Barton + Beasley + Juancho?


13th February 2020
Manolito wrote:It has been reported that Magic had been trying to move Aaron Gordon at the deadline and Nuggets had some interest on him. I think he could be a good piece to add next summer, specially considering Nuggets have to beat LeBron - Davis & Kawhi - PG. He might be an insurance for Michael Porter jr and a lineup him and Grant would be elite in defense.

Barton + salary filler (KBD?) x Gordon would be a great deal. Gordon still have two years in a friendly contract


21st November 2020

Manolito wrote:I agree we have the assets and cap flexibility to find the starting PF in a trade. My proposals

Aaron Gordon
PJ Tucker
Thaddeus Young


Obviously Prio1 would be Gordon, but a rotation Tucker - Green is pretty solid IMO


29th November 2020

Manolito wrote:Am I the only one thinking about Aaron Gordon as a perfect fit?

I don't think the package Barton plus Monte is enough, probably a FRP should be added although I would hate that (maybe two swaps are enough?)


:tooth :bowdown: I'll confess, I wasn't a fan of Gordon and I was wrong, based on his first games. It sure did seem like he was an ISO player looking to score and he can score.

The really nice thing is that he seems to have welcomed a totally different role in Denver. He's brought more motion to our offense and our defense - it would be great if everyone learned from him. IMO our team's defense has been improving this year in terms of switching and covering; but Gordon seems to have pushed our team defense to a new level.


In ORL his offensive role was considerable bigger than his real ability, therefore his gaps were clearly visible.

Nevertheless, he is a perfect glue guy. Obviously he has to work on his 3P and FT, but Jokic will make his life easier on offense and his % will improve because he will take more uncontested shots. He is very active cutting to the rim and has quite decent BB IQ.

His real value is on D. His defense skills are elite, both on and off the ball, he is extremely versatile and can guard every single player in the league except big centers. He is the perfect complement to MPJ and both will benefit from this synergy.

My only concern is that he is FA in 2022.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#29 » by The Rebel » Fri Apr 2, 2021 11:01 pm

Manolito wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:
Manolito wrote:Allow me a bit a ego search at Nuggets trades thread. Not big merit, I think it was really obvious

30th December 2018


15th February 2019


13th February 2020


21st November 2020



29th November 2020



:tooth :bowdown: I'll confess, I wasn't a fan of Gordon and I was wrong, based on his first games. It sure did seem like he was an ISO player looking to score and he can score.

The really nice thing is that he seems to have welcomed a totally different role in Denver. He's brought more motion to our offense and our defense - it would be great if everyone learned from him. IMO our team's defense has been improving this year in terms of switching and covering; but Gordon seems to have pushed our team defense to a new level.


In ORL his offensive role was considerable bigger than his real ability, therefore his gaps were clearly visible.

Nevertheless, he is a perfect glue guy. Obviously he has to work on his 3P and FT, but Jokic will make his life easier on offense and his % will improve because he will take more uncontested shots. He is very active cutting to the rim and has quite decent BB IQ.

His real value is on D. His defense skills are elite, both on and off the ball, he is extremely versatile and can guard every single player in the league except big centers. He is the perfect complement to MPJ and both will benefit from this synergy.

My only concern is that he is FA in 2022.


The thing that has surprised me about Gordon has been his attitude. He choose his college based on them agreeing to play him at SF, he insisted on playing SF for years in Orlando and made demands on his role. Now a lot of young players that have a little success at each level start develop an attitude and you hope they grow out of it, but there is no guarantee. Going from the face of the franchise to a 2nd option and traded to become a 4th option is tough even for those without huge egos, him being happy with it is a huge thing from where he was a few years ago.

I also did not expect him to be so good on defense, I knew he was the best defender on the Magic and was asked to guard any perimeter player that they needed, but with him focusing on that end he is better than I remember.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#30 » by THE J0KER » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:56 pm

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Gordon is clearly overpaid here, and 4th year should be a team option instead of a player option.

If this contract does not prevent the Nuggets to sign a 5-year max deal with Porter, I will not complain against this deal as I complained about the latest useless Barton's overpay.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#31 » by Richard Miller » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:50 am

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Gordon is clearly overpaid here, and 4th year should be a team option instead of a player option.

If this contract does not prevent the Nuggets to sign a 5-year max deal with Porter, I will not complain against this deal as I complained about the latest useless Barton's overpay.


If anything prevents Porter's max deal it's going to be health concerns (plus whether his defense can improve further) not Gordon's contract, so I don't think that matters.

Gordon is a good fit, and he's completely fine with his role (unlike Jerami Grant) and wants to stay in Denver (unlike Grant) so that alone is worth some "overpay".
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#32 » by Manolito » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:44 pm

Where exactly is the overpay? Contract has 4M (very) unlikely bonuses, actually this is 88Mx4 for a guy at his prime who has bought his role seamless, is fully compatible with our 3 stars and brings some abilities that were not in the roster. Additionally we avoid a FA bid that could end up horrible.

The only controversial part might be the 25M player option, if we don´t consider, that his contract is 61M x 3 which is pretty good in my opinion. Additionally he could be trade any time, he has a highly requested profile. He can guard LeBRon, Luka, Kawhi, Booker or even Lillard, what else do you need from him.

Nuggets had no money to operate in the offseason anyway, so it was paying Gordon or letting him go without substitute. With the top4 locked for the next 4 years, Denver is a contender every single healthy season. Despite his poor PO performance, we don´t need Gordon to score 20ppg, he is going to be the 4th or 5th offensive option
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#33 » by skywalker33 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:42 pm

Personally, I like this signing. Some say it's an overpay but I guess I'm the optimist. AG is a great fit for our 4th option, his defense is already solid and if he can elevate his offensive game while Murray is out this will prove to be a steal.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#34 » by THE J0KER » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:40 pm

Manolito wrote:Where exactly is the overpay?

I really like Aaron Gordon and how he fits our starting frontcourt line. Actually, with our FO obviously not interested to improve our roster via trades or FA signing for me personally are re-signing AG 2nd priority to do this summer, right after MPJ's 5-year max deal. But I'm talking about the general market value of forwards defensive specialists with average offensive skills. Of course, Denver doesn't need his points with Jokic-Murray-Porter around him in starting lineup, but for his NBA-league value is the very damaging fact that he is in the offense 10-5-2 player with poor career TS%53%.

Before this new contract, Gordon belonged to NBA $16M-20M salary group where he belongs (more close to 16M than 20M!) but now he skyrockets close to the 25M salary group where he simply (objectively) not belongs.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#35 » by skywalker33 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:43 am

THE J0KER wrote:
Manolito wrote:Where exactly is the overpay?

I really like Aaron Gordon and how he fits our starting frontcourt line. Actually, with our FO obviously not interested to improve our roster via trades or FA signing for me personally are re-signing AG 2nd priority to do this summer, right after MPJ's 5-year max deal. But I'm talking about the general market value of forwards defensive specialists with average offensive skills. Of course, Denver doesn't need his points with Jokic-Murray-Porter around him in starting lineup, but for his NBA-league value is the very damaging fact that he is in the offense 10-5-2 player with poor career TS%53%.

Before this new contract, Gordon belonged to NBA $16M-20M salary group where he belongs (more close to 16M than 20M!) but now he skyrockets close to the 25M salary group where he simply (objectively) not belongs.
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Well, if you do the math RIGHT, his average salary is $23M, estimating his beginning salary when the new contract kicks in at about $20.5M. Given his contract was as high as $18M, this really isn't as egregious as you want to make it out to be, but you do tend to exaggerate to make your point fall in line with your suppositions.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#36 » by Powder Blue » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:11 pm

THE J0KER wrote:
Manolito wrote:Where exactly is the overpay?

I really like Aaron Gordon and how he fits our starting frontcourt line. Actually, with our FO obviously not interested to improve our roster via trades or FA signing for me personally are re-signing AG 2nd priority to do this summer, right after MPJ's 5-year max deal. But I'm talking about the general market value of forwards defensive specialists with average offensive skills. Of course, Denver doesn't need his points with Jokic-Murray-Porter around him in starting lineup, but for his NBA-league value is the very damaging fact that he is in the offense 10-5-2 player with poor career TS%53%.

Before this new contract, Gordon belonged to NBA $16M-20M salary group where he belongs (more close to 16M than 20M!) but now he skyrockets close to the 25M salary group where he simply (objectively) not belongs.
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Not sure the last time I posted on here but I’m gonna dive in here.

The problem with looking at AG’s contract like this is that the Nuggets can’t swap AG out for another “cheaper” player of this caliber. They had to pay him because he’s the guy on the roster and the only one they can extend. If they don’t sign him they lose him, either for nothing or trade for lessor talent.

If they did lose him they’d have to give up more assets to get another player around his caliber and then the roster is lessor. It’s like the fallout of the Grant loss all over again.

Klutch knew we had to extend him so good on them getting the biggest one possible. Since we’ll be over the cap it’s not like we could have paid him 4/$80M and applied that spare $8M to a free agent. At least this way AG is locked in and a trade asset if needed. No way this keeps them from resigning MPJ.

Could this not work out? Sure….but they had to go for it.
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Re: Aaron Gordon, The Missing Piece 

Post#37 » by skywalker33 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:05 pm

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THE J0KER wrote:
Manolito wrote:Where exactly is the overpay?

I really like Aaron Gordon and how he fits our starting frontcourt line. Actually, with our FO obviously not interested to improve our roster via trades or FA signing for me personally are re-signing AG 2nd priority to do this summer, right after MPJ's 5-year max deal. But I'm talking about the general market value of forwards defensive specialists with average offensive skills. Of course, Denver doesn't need his points with Jokic-Murray-Porter around him in starting lineup, but for his NBA-league value is the very damaging fact that he is in the offense 10-5-2 player with poor career TS%53%.

Before this new contract, Gordon belonged to NBA $16M-20M salary group where he belongs (more close to 16M than 20M!) but now he skyrockets close to the 25M salary group where he simply (objectively) not belongs.
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Not sure the last time I posted on here but I’m gonna dive in here.

The problem with looking at AG’s contract like this is that the Nuggets can’t swap AG out for another “cheaper” player of this caliber. They had to pay him because he’s the guy on the roster and the only one they can extend. If they don’t sign him they lose him, either for nothing or trade for lessor talent.

If they did lose him they’d have to give up more assets to get another player around his caliber and then the roster is lessor. It’s like the fallout of the Grant loss all over again.

Klutch knew we had to extend him so good on them getting the biggest one possible. Since we’ll be over the cap it’s not like we could have paid him 4/$80M and applied that spare $8M to a free agent. At least this way AG is locked in and a trade asset if needed. No way this keeps them from resigning MPJ.

Could this not work out? Sure….but they had to go for it.


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