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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#241 » by skywalker33 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:48 pm

SF Davon Reed, a SL standout, is making a case to earn a spot on the roster. His 3-D skills have caught the attention of one Michael Malone, should give some battle at that position. Be careful, Mr. Cancar, someone wants your roster spot.
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#242 » by Coeur » Thu Oct 7, 2021 5:48 am

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Coeur wrote:PJ Dozier will be better player over the next3 seasons than Barton -

Nnaji "" "" "" "" Green

bones "" "" "" Monte



Vital to the future to trade Barton, green, and Monte and/or facu - or are those the pieces needed for a title?


The Monte statement is pretty ignorant seeing as how he is only 26 years old. Dozier and Barton are also very different players and bring different things to the table, both are useful at the present. Dozier will get plenty of playing time as he was when he wasn't injured last year.

I thibk its through no fault of his own that monte morris might be going from 1st string to 3rd upon Murray's return: Bones is tailor made for the backup guard/instant offense role.

I think morris plays fine and builds even more trade value playing as a full time starter and it atleast has to be considered as a trade candidate if bones plays as good as I suspect he will in that role


Not saying at all that don't want Monte, just that he may be too valuable to hold as 3rd guard (esp a facu 4th/capable 3rd)
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#243 » by Coeur » Thu Oct 7, 2021 5:57 am

Keep looking at the Wizards as a possible trade partner. Really like Bertans as a specialist shooter though expensive. Even wonder if montrZ Harrell might be as effective off the denver bench as anywhere in the league. Maube nugs need a scorer around the basket option off the bench
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#244 » by Manolito » Thu Oct 7, 2021 7:36 am

I highly doubt there are any trades during the season. Both Greens are needed as veteran figures during Play Off and Barton playmaking ability is required with Murray sidelined or during conditioning.

I can only see minor trades such Bol Bol if he performs good and front office can not renew him because of huge payroll already committed. Campazzo might be another candidate but his trade value is pretty low.
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#245 » by skywalker33 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 5:14 pm

Coeur wrote:Keep looking at the Wizards as a possible trade partner. Really like Bertans as a specialist shooter though expensive. Even wonder if montrZ Harrell might be as effective off the denver bench as anywhere in the league. Maube nugs need a scorer around the basket option off the bench


Bertans is paid WAAAYYY too much for us to even consider him, not gonna happen
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#246 » by skywalker33 » Thu Oct 7, 2021 5:17 pm

Coeur wrote:
DaFan334 wrote:
Coeur wrote:PJ Dozier will be better player over the next3 seasons than Barton -

Nnaji "" "" "" "" Green

bones "" "" "" Monte



Vital to the future to trade Barton, green, and Monte and/or facu - or are those the pieces needed for a title?


The Monte statement is pretty ignorant seeing as how he is only 26 years old. Dozier and Barton are also very different players and bring different things to the table, both are useful at the present. Dozier will get plenty of playing time as he was when he wasn't injured last year.

I thibk its through no fault of his own that monte morris might be going from 1st string to 3rd upon Murray's return: Bones is tailor made for the backup guard/instant offense role.

I think morris plays fine and builds even more trade value playing as a full time starter and it atleast has to be considered as a trade candidate if bones plays as good as I suspect he will in that role


Not saying at all that don't want Monte, just that he may be too valuable to hold as 3rd guard (esp a facu 4th/capable 3rd)



Kinda agree that Bones could become Murray's backup, they've been emphasizing his play-making skills in practice. That said, Morris needs to show well as a starter to possibly increase his trade value
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#247 » by TunaFish » Thu Oct 7, 2021 6:50 pm

skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:
DaFan334 wrote:
The Monte statement is pretty ignorant seeing as how he is only 26 years old. Dozier and Barton are also very different players and bring different things to the table, both are useful at the present. Dozier will get plenty of playing time as he was when he wasn't injured last year.

I thibk its through no fault of his own that monte morris might be going from 1st string to 3rd upon Murray's return: Bones is tailor made for the backup guard/instant offense role.

I think morris plays fine and builds even more trade value playing as a full time starter and it atleast has to be considered as a trade candidate if bones plays as good as I suspect he will in that role


Not saying at all that don't want Monte, just that he may be too valuable to hold as 3rd guard (esp a facu 4th/capable 3rd)



Kinda agree that Bones could become Murray's backup, they've been emphasizing his play-making skills in practice. That said, Morris needs to show well as a starter to possibly increase his trade value


I agree about Bones, he looks like a pure point guard with the full offensive package. He has defensive skills but he has a ways to go still. Morris has been disappointing but this is preseason and he has history here. I doubt they will trade him with his contract. With Facu Denver has a lot of point guards and not enough shooting guards.

I think Murray is going to be the shooting guard in the future and Bones the point guard. Morris will anchor the bench unless his recent shooting woes continue.
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#248 » by Coeur » Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:57 am

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Coeur wrote:Keep looking at the Wizards as a possible trade partner. Really like Bertans as a specialist shooter though expensive. Even wonder if montrZ Harrell might be as effective off the denver bench as anywhere in the league. Maube nugs need a scorer around the basket option off the bench


Bertans is paid WAAAYYY too much for us to even consider him, not gonna happen

Bertans would be a better use of 15 mill a year for thr next 2 years on this team than Barton. Or Jamychal now that we have jeff green


PJ Dozier, bertans, Jeff Green over Barton and both Greens over the next 2 years is prob less money and better balance
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#249 » by Richard Miller » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:09 pm

Coeur wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:Keep looking at the Wizards as a possible trade partner. Really like Bertans as a specialist shooter though expensive. Even wonder if montrZ Harrell might be as effective off the denver bench as anywhere in the league. Maube nugs need a scorer around the basket option off the bench


Bertans is paid WAAAYYY too much for us to even consider him, not gonna happen

Bertans would be a better use of 15 mill a year for thr next 2 years on this team than Barton. Or Jamychal now that we have jeff green


PJ Dozier, bertans, Jeff Green over Barton and both Greens over the next 2 years is prob less money and better balance


Bertans has like what, 4 yrs left while Barton and Green will be expiring after this season, no way is that "less money and better balance"
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#250 » by Coeur » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:26 pm

Richard Miller wrote:
Coeur wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Bertans is paid WAAAYYY too much for us to even consider him, not gonna happen

Bertans would be a better use of 15 mill a year for thr next 2 years on this team than Barton. Or Jamychal now that we have jeff green


PJ Dozier, bertans, Jeff Green over Barton and both Greens over the next 2 years is prob less money and better balance


Bertans has like what, 4 yrs left while Barton and Green will be expiring after this season, no way is that "less money and better balance"

Dont swe why years left come in ? Youre looking at 3 years down, im at this year and next. Bertans as a way bigger impact than barton or Monte morris or Jamychal green would have on the team. So willing to replace 2 for 1 thinkint all 3 of those players are bench pieces next 2 years. Bertans is atleast a super elite bench weapon. Top shooter in the nba type group.


Bertans would be just so dynamic off the denver bench beinf able to be interchangeable with AG, MpJ and jokic


I want to see Cancar, Nnaji, and wishfully thinking Bolbol step into that spot but with Jeff and Jamychal green both playing off the bench it doesnt seem like any of rhem will


Plus in 2 years you have bertans and can still trade that plYwr off if needed. All you'll be able to do with bartons and greens are let expire and morris


Barton and facu or howard for bertans would be win for nugs.
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#251 » by skywalker33 » Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:59 pm

Coeur wrote:
Richard Miller wrote:
Coeur wrote:Bertans would be a better use of 15 mill a year for thr next 2 years on this team than Barton. Or Jamychal now that we have jeff green


PJ Dozier, bertans, Jeff Green over Barton and both Greens over the next 2 years is prob less money and better balance


Bertans has like what, 4 yrs left while Barton and Green will be expiring after this season, no way is that "less money and better balance"

Dont swe why years left come in ? Youre looking at 3 years down, im at this year and next. Bertans as a way bigger impact than barton or Monte morris or Jamychal green would have on the team. So willing to replace 2 for 1 thinkint all 3 of those players are bench pieces next 2 years. Bertans is atleast a super elite bench weapon. Top shooter in the nba type group.


Bertans would be just so dynamic off the denver bench beinf able to be interchangeable with AG, MpJ and jokic


I want to see Cancar, Nnaji, and wishfully thinking Bolbol step into that spot but with Jeff and Jamychal green both playing off the bench it doesnt seem like any of rhem will


Plus in 2 years you have bertans and can still trade that plYwr off if needed. All you'll be able to do with bartons and greens are let expire and morris


Barton and facu or howard for bertans would be win for nugs.


The years matter because Jokic will be coming up on his SuperMax shortly, why overpaying Bertans extra years, keep your cap flexibility as much as you can. It's not like Bertans is going to be anything more than a 4th or more likely a 6th man option with the talent we have now. We could use scoring off the bench but $16MM is more than I want to pay a bench guy and can's say BArton and Facu is bad trade value but it would unbalance our roster unnecessarily. Have to say NO to that one
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#252 » by Richard Miller » Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:50 am

Coeur wrote:
Richard Miller wrote:
Coeur wrote:Bertans would be a better use of 15 mill a year for thr next 2 years on this team than Barton. Or Jamychal now that we have jeff green


PJ Dozier, bertans, Jeff Green over Barton and both Greens over the next 2 years is prob less money and better balance


Bertans has like what, 4 yrs left while Barton and Green will be expiring after this season, no way is that "less money and better balance"

Dont swe why years left come in ? Youre looking at 3 years down, im at this year and next. Bertans as a way bigger impact than barton or Monte morris or Jamychal green would have on the team. So willing to replace 2 for 1 thinkint all 3 of those players are bench pieces next 2 years. Bertans is atleast a super elite bench weapon. Top shooter in the nba type group.


Way bigger impact, just how exactly? As far as I can see he shoots, that's about it. He doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, his defensive rating is god awful. Like some sort of poor man's MPJ - you're paying big money for someone who's a shooter and not much else. I mean Markus Howard can do the same and he's dirt cheap.
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#253 » by Coeur » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:39 am

Richard Miller wrote:
Coeur wrote:
Richard Miller wrote:
Bertans has like what, 4 yrs left while Barton and Green will be expiring after this season, no way is that "less money and better balance"

Dont swe why years left come in ? Youre looking at 3 years down, im at this year and next. Bertans as a way bigger impact than barton or Monte morris or Jamychal green would have on the team. So willing to replace 2 for 1 thinkint all 3 of those players are bench pieces next 2 years. Bertans is atleast a super elite bench weapon. Top shooter in the nba type group.


Way bigger impact, just how exactly? As far as I can see he shoots, that's about it. He doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, his defensive rating is god awful. Like some sort of poor man's MPJ - you're paying big money for someone who's a shooter and not much else. I mean Markus Howard can do the same and he's dirt cheap.

Yeah. Shoot. But at a super Elite level. And hes a 6-10+ switchable on the defensive end.

Nugs could use a specialist even as a shooter in the rotation. Seth curry. But bertans is way more valuble from size and movement.


The salary cap is going to skyrocket and the salaries shouldnt matter. The nugs could get simething big out of the 30-40 mill they have into Barton, morris, campazzo, and the greens. Add in whichever of the young guys they trade off : NUGS HAVE BIG TRADE CURRENCY, they'll at very least use some of it.


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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#254 » by skywalker33 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:51 am

Coeur wrote:
Richard Miller wrote:
Coeur wrote:Dont swe why years left come in ? Youre looking at 3 years down, im at this year and next. Bertans as a way bigger impact than barton or Monte morris or Jamychal green would have on the team. So willing to replace 2 for 1 thinkint all 3 of those players are bench pieces next 2 years. Bertans is atleast a super elite bench weapon. Top shooter in the nba type group.


Way bigger impact, just how exactly? As far as I can see he shoots, that's about it. He doesn't rebound, doesn't assist, his defensive rating is god awful. Like some sort of poor man's MPJ - you're paying big money for someone who's a shooter and not much else. I mean Markus Howard can do the same and he's dirt cheap.

Yeah. Shoot. But at a super Elite level. And hes a 6-10+ switchable on the defensive end.

Nugs could use a specialist even as a shooter in the rotation. Seth curry. But bertans is way more valuble from size and movement.


The salary cap is going to skyrocket and the salaries shouldnt matter. The nugs could get simething big out of the 30-40 mill they have into Barton, morris, campazzo, and the greens. Add in whichever of the young guys they trade off : NUGS HAVE BIG TRADE CURRENCY, they'll at very least use some of it.


This is the same trade board that wished Gary harris could be the third best player forever


ELITE SHOOTER ?? He's shooting 40% from 2pt range...at 6'10" that's not great. How about his 39% from 3pt those are good numbers but here's what's elite. MPJ, who is also 6'10", is shooting 54% from 2pt and 44% from 3pt...NOW THAT'S ELITE !! Then, why do we need to duplicate (even down grading a bit) what we already have ???
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#255 » by Coeur » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:54 am

skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:
Richard Miller wrote:
Bertans has like what, 4 yrs left while Barton and Green will be expiring after this season, no way is that "less money and better balance"

Dont swe why years left come in ? Youre looking at 3 years down, im at this year and next. Bertans as a way bigger impact than barton or Monte morris or Jamychal green would have on the team. So willing to replace 2 for 1 thinkint all 3 of those players are bench pieces next 2 years. Bertans is atleast a super elite bench weapon. Top shooter in the nba type group.


Bertans would be just so dynamic off the denver bench beinf able to be interchangeable with AG, MpJ and jokic


I want to see Cancar, Nnaji, and wishfully thinking Bolbol step into that spot but with Jeff and Jamychal green both playing off the bench it doesnt seem like any of rhem will


Plus in 2 years you have bertans and can still trade that plYwr off if needed. All you'll be able to do with bartons and greens are let expire and morris


Barton and facu or howard for bertans would be win for nugs.


The years matter because Jokic will be coming up on his SuperMax shortly, why overpaying Bertans extra years, keep your cap flexibility as much as you can. It's not like Bertans is going to be anything more than a 4th or more likely a 6th man option with the talent we have now. We could use scoring off the bench but $16MM is more than I want to pay a bench guy and can's say BArton and Facu is bad trade value but it would unbalance our roster unnecessarily. Have to say NO to that one

Going Barton to Bertans would unbalance a little bit burt only beczuseause SG was kind of the spot maybe SG and SF, the spots with the least depth on this roster.


The big concern should be PJ Dozier. Hes better than Barton now. Thats a bigger loss moving forward if hes the first one they cant afford someone eventually


Bartons contract either gets traded or goes down as a bad contract for not being traded. This season plays out perfectly for Barton and MonteMorris to build max trade value

Murray/Bones
PJ Dozier
MpJ
Ag50/Nnaji
Jokic/jeff Green

I love that 8 so much and think that when you add up Barton, morris, and green, facu, and a young guy or 2, and trade exemptions this team could brint in 30-50 million dollars salary if they wanted

I think the nugs front office is good enough to find some big wings on the cheap
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#256 » by skywalker33 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:14 am

Coeur wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
Coeur wrote:Dont swe why years left come in ? Youre looking at 3 years down, im at this year and next. Bertans as a way bigger impact than barton or Monte morris or Jamychal green would have on the team. So willing to replace 2 for 1 thinkint all 3 of those players are bench pieces next 2 years. Bertans is atleast a super elite bench weapon. Top shooter in the nba type group.


Bertans would be just so dynamic off the denver bench beinf able to be interchangeable with AG, MpJ and jokic


I want to see Cancar, Nnaji, and wishfully thinking Bolbol step into that spot but with Jeff and Jamychal green both playing off the bench it doesnt seem like any of rhem will


Plus in 2 years you have bertans and can still trade that plYwr off if needed. All you'll be able to do with bartons and greens are let expire and morris


Barton and facu or howard for bertans would be win for nugs.


The years matter because Jokic will be coming up on his SuperMax shortly, why overpaying Bertans extra years, keep your cap flexibility as much as you can. It's not like Bertans is going to be anything more than a 4th or more likely a 6th man option with the talent we have now. We could use scoring off the bench but $16MM is more than I want to pay a bench guy and can's say BArton and Facu is bad trade value but it would unbalance our roster unnecessarily. Have to say NO to that one

Going Barton to Bertans would unbalance a little bit burt only beczuseause SG was kind of the spot maybe SG and SF, the spots with the least depth on this roster.


The big concern should be PJ Dozier. Hes better than Barton now. Thats a bigger loss moving forward if hes the first one they cant afford someone eventually


Bartons contract either gets traded or goes down as a bad contract for not being traded. This season plays out perfectly for Barton and MonteMorris to build max trade value

Murray/Bones
PJ Dozier
MpJ
Ag50/Nnaji
Jokic/jeff Green

I love that 8 so much and think that when you add up Barton, morris, and green, facu, and a young guy or 2, and trade exemptions this team could brint in 30-50 million dollars salary if they wanted

I think the nugs front office is good enough to find some big wings on the cheap


Right now, the only place Dozier is better than Barton is in your mind, Coeur. Dozier has a higher ceiling (Barton has reached his) but his skillset and experience outweigh Dozier's by a mile. Just because you like these players more, don't kid yourself into believing what isn't truth...yet. I do think Doziercan and will replace Barton, right now he just isn't there, close yes, but we need what Barton will bring until Murray return.
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Re: The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread 

Post#257 » by Richard Miller » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:08 am

Coeur wrote:Yeah. Shoot. But at a super Elite level.


Super Elite? Lol. His 3p% in 27 playoff games is 31%. That's not even average, way below. Even in the regular season not that consistent. No thanks.

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