Nurkic: "I don't see my future in Denver"

[Nuggets_Talk]

you know, Boston fans are not the only one's who think their players are worth more than others teams fans do ALL teams fans do, so don't gat so high and mighty thinking you don't. Just trying to have and honest discussion here. If you don't like the idea, fine, but no need to try and place your views so much higher than everyone else's

Oh my god... the irony

Have you been to the Boston board before?

[The Rebel]

There is no way I trade Nurkic for a future late 1st round pick. If I trade him than I want a good young guy like Oubre or a very good 1st round pick.

[GimmeDat]

I'd offer Valentine, Portis and Felicio for us.

Also, I saw that Rozier/Zizic/MEM pick deal on the previous page. I think you guys are underrating that package. Rozier looks to develop in to a really nice back up, imo, I have high hopes for Zizic, and the Memphis pick could well be better than you assume as their core continues to age.

[The Rebel]

I'd offer Valentine, Portis and Felicio for us.

Also, I saw that Rozier/Zizic/MEM pick deal on the previous page. I think you guys are underrating that package. Rozier looks to develop in to a really nice back up, imo, I have high hopes for Zizic, and the Memphis pick could well be better than you assume as their core continues to age.

I think you are overrating that pick, Gasol and Conley are not likely to be that bad in 2 years, especially when Gasol is basically willing them to be as good as they are now. I am not interested in trading Nurkic for a couple of future backups and a pick that is likely a mid-late 1st 2 years down the road.

I would not trade him for your package either.

The last thing the Nuggets need to do is dilute talent, especially when many of us feel that the Nurkic Jokic lineup was never given a fair tryout and that there is still potential for them to work together if only our idiot coach understood how to use centers.

[The Rebel]

I was just looking at the defensive numbers, and does anybody else realize that this team was 12th in defensive efficiency with Nurkic and Jokic both in the starting lineup, but since we went to Jokic and whoever Malone decides to play at PF that has dropped to the worst in the league?

Jokic may have struggled keeping up with some of the stretch PFs around the league, but even with the rough schedule to start the season that lineup was good on defense. I still say that Mudiay should be coming off the bench, and start Murray with Harris at the 2, and Gallo or Chandler at the 3, with Jokic and Nurkic and put in a couple of plays with Jokic running the offense from the high post, and Nurkic setting screens and the other guys cutting and moving, and that offense could be one of the best in the league, and we all know that Murray is a better defender than Mudiay so it could be a top 10 team right **** now.

[NuggetsWY]

I'd offer Valentine, Portis and Felicio for us.

Also, I saw that Rozier/Zizic/MEM pick deal on the previous page. I think you guys are underrating that package. Rozier looks to develop in to a really nice back up, imo, I have high hopes for Zizic, and the Memphis pick could well be better than you assume as their core continues to age.

Valentine - liked him before the draft, hasn't got enough playing time to judge
Portis - loved him last year, curious this year but interested
Felicio - hadn't heard of him until the Bulls signed him, but maybe ... ...

All three for Nurkic? I like that. Do we need to add a 2nd or two?

Rozier/Zizic is one that at least a few guys here like, depending on what we have to give up. We have two young PGs, but some here like Rozier more than I do and he has some nice points. Zizic is even more attractive to me, if we were trading Nurkic.

[skywalker33]

I'd offer Valentine, Portis and Felicio for us.

Also, I saw that Rozier/Zizic/MEM pick deal on the previous page. I think you guys are underrating that package. Rozier looks to develop in to a really nice back up, imo, I have high hopes for Zizic, and the Memphis pick could well be better than you assume as their core continues to age.

Since I'm the one who posted it, I'll explain my logic again. First, I'm not a Roziee fan, thought he was drafted a bit too high. He seems like a decent backup, but right now he isn't even plying up to Nelsons level (stat wise anyway). Zizic does have potential, but it is unknown potential, there is a reason we was drafted at 26th pick. The MEM pick is the risk, could be lottery bound, could be mid 20's nobody knows.

Nurkic has a body of work, is only 22 and has shown some double-double work given the PT. He'd start for BOS allowing Horford to play his natural PF position, another huge byproduct for the C's

As for your proposal, definitely like Valentine but we're already stocked with wings so doesn't help fill a need and he'd be the main piece from CHI. I like Portis but he's a backup that has regressed since his rookie year. Felicio would fill a need as a backup but that's as much as I know about him. I'd counter asking for one of your 1sts instead of Portis

[GimmeDat]

I'd offer Valentine, Portis and Felicio for us.

Also, I saw that Rozier/Zizic/MEM pick deal on the previous page. I think you guys are underrating that package. Rozier looks to develop in to a really nice back up, imo, I have high hopes for Zizic, and the Memphis pick could well be better than you assume as their core continues to age.

Valentine - liked him before the draft, hasn't got enough playing time to judge
Portis - loved him last year, curious this year but interested
Felicio - hadn't heard of him until the Bulls signed him, but maybe ... ...

All three for Nurkic? I like that. Do we need to add a 2nd or two?

Rozier/Zizic is one that at least a few guys here like, depending on what we have to give up. We have two young PGs, but some here like Rozier more than I do and he has some nice points. Zizic is even more attractive to me, if we were trading Nurkic.

skywalker below is right in that there hasn't been a lot of action from he first two, but they have some nice tools. Portis is stuck behind Taj/Niko, but we sent him down to the D-League the other night and he looked awesome. Likewise, Val's been stuck behind Butler/Wade. Felicio is a very solid back up, averages 6 offensive rebounds per/36 (12.4 overall rebounds), and is a good finish man on offense.

I wouldn't worry about the 2nd's, but for roster sizes I'm guessing we might have to take some benchwarmers back off your hands. We need to get younger and consolidate some assets to build around Jimmy, so Nurk would be a nice get.

I saw someone else said they'd counter offer with one of our 1st's instead of Portis - I'd be okay with that if our 1st weren't such a question mark, because if it falls in to the lottery I'd say we'd be making a mistake. If, perhaps, we moved Lopez somewhere for a mid to late 1st, with a Nurkic follow up lined up, we could then swing that pick to you.

[skywalker33]

I saw someone else said they'd counter offer with one of our 1st's instead of Portis - I'd be okay with that if our 1st weren't such a question mark, because if it falls in to the lottery I'd say we'd be making a mistake. If, perhaps, we moved Lopez somewhere for a mid to late 1st, with a Nurkic follow up lined up, we could then swing that pick to you.

So, you'd offer us a mid-to-late 1st, Valentine (who is hard to gauge as well as just engorges another logjam) and Felicio ?? I could see offering a top 12 protected 1st but to basically put the value of Lopez into the trade makes me think of that old saying

"it's cheaper to keep her...."

[GimmeDat]

I saw someone else said they'd counter offer with one of our 1st's instead of Portis - I'd be okay with that if our 1st weren't such a question mark, because if it falls in to the lottery I'd say we'd be making a mistake. If, perhaps, we moved Lopez somewhere for a mid to late 1st, with a Nurkic follow up lined up, we could then swing that pick to you.

So, you'd offer us a mid-to-late 1st, Valentine (who is hard to gauge as well as just engorges another logjam) and Felicio ?? I could see offering a top 12 protected 1st but to basically put the value of Lopez into the trade makes me think of that old saying

"it's cheaper to keep her...."

As in, we keep Lopez? Lopez is a good player but he's tradeable and we need to make a move. If this is effectively moving Lopez and Valentine for Nurkic, I would do it for us. If we include Felicio as well that'll mean we don't have a backup C, but perhaps we could move Taj to the backup C minutes and run Mirotic/Portis more at PF.

[GimmeDat]

Went to quote you skywalker, but it looks like you've deleted the post.

I don't see it as castoffs - we value Valentine highly, he's a lottery pick, and Portis shows potential, though he has his warts. Felicio is a good piece as well. None of them are on Nurks level, but they are 3 young guys with value.

The reason I wouldn't include a pick is because it's such an unknown - we've slipped in to the lottery many times this season. There's strong value in that range, and with the teams direction up in the air with Butler trade rumors, the Bulls may well want to hold on to their picks.

If it was lottery protected, then yeah, I would do Val/Portis/1st for Nurk, sure, but that seems like an equal outcome to if we trade Lopez and give you a pick that way.

[skywalker33]

Went to quote you skywalker, but it looks like you've deleted the post.

I don't see it as castoffs - we value Valentine highly, he's a lottery pick, and Portis shows potential, though he has his warts. Felicio is a good piece as well. None of them are on Nurks level, but they are 3 young guys with value.

The reason I wouldn't include a pick is because it's such an unknown - we've slipped in to the lottery many times this season. There's strong value in that range, and with the teams direction up in the air with Butler trade rumors, the Bulls may well want to hold on to their picks.

If it was lottery protected, then yeah, I would do Val/Portis/1st for Nurk, sure, but that seems like an equal outcome to if we trade Lopez and give you a pick that way.

I did think I worded it poorly, thus the delete. Val, while being a lottery pick, would be competing with Harris, Barton, Murray and Beasley. Obtaining him at best just precludes us making another trade as I don't seeing him starting at SF for us and Harris is getting entrenched at SG with Barton as our 6th man. It's hard to see anything but regression in Portis, he's only played 5 games since December, that's gotta say something with Mirotic in the doghouse too. He's young enough to rebound, but Nurkic has more upside right now.

If you were to get Nurkic, you're doing it to get a Center of the future, that's not worth as pick in the 12-18 range ? It's not putting a lot of faith in what Nurkic can do, especially with the minutes he'll probably get. Would losing Portis and Val's production cause you to drop into the lottery ? I have a hard time thinking you'd slip lower than 12th, but that's just me.

I do commend you for at least making a reasonable offer, I check the BOS forum and they don't offer anything of value, the arrogance over there is pathetic.

[GimmeDat]

Went to quote you skywalker, but it looks like you've deleted the post.

I don't see it as castoffs - we value Valentine highly, he's a lottery pick, and Portis shows potential, though he has his warts. Felicio is a good piece as well. None of them are on Nurks level, but they are 3 young guys with value.

The reason I wouldn't include a pick is because it's such an unknown - we've slipped in to the lottery many times this season. There's strong value in that range, and with the teams direction up in the air with Butler trade rumors, the Bulls may well want to hold on to their picks.

If it was lottery protected, then yeah, I would do Val/Portis/1st for Nurk, sure, but that seems like an equal outcome to if we trade Lopez and give you a pick that way.

I did think I worded it poorly, thus the delete. Val, while being a lottery pick, would be competing with Harris, Barton, Murray and Beasley. Obtaining him at best just precludes us making another trade as I don't seeing him starting at SF for us and Harris is getting entrenched at SG with Barton as our 6th man. It's hard to see anything but regression in Portis, he's only played 5 games since December, that's gotta say something with Mirotic in the doghouse too. He's young enough to rebound, but Nurkic has more upside right now.

If you were to get Nurkic, you're doing it to get a Center of the future, that's not worth as pick in the 12-18 range ? It's not putting a lot of faith in what Nurkic can do, especially with the minutes he'll probably get. Would losing Portis and Val's production cause you to drop into the lottery ? I have a hard time thinking you'd slip lower than 12th, but that's just me.

I do commend you for at least making a reasonable offer, I check the BOS forum and they don't offer anything of value, the arrogance over there is pathetic.

It's hard to know with this team - at their worst, they looked like an absolute lottery team. I definitely get how Val would get lost in the SG logjam, perhaps a third team would be needed.

Ha, the Boston board, we can agree on. I went there the other day for them to tell me that Butler is akin to Glen Rice and that Crowder, Smart, Brown was a fair deal.

[U hova]

as a neutral party Boston would be pretty stupid to not take Butler for Crowder, Smart and Brown.

[NuggetsWY]

I was just looking at the defensive numbers, and does anybody else realize that this team was 12th in defensive efficiency with Nurkic and Jokic both in the starting lineup, but since we went to Jokic and whoever Malone decides to play at PF that has dropped to the worst in the league?

Yes, I remember that. Neither Nurkic or Jokic are "rim protectors" but they know how to get in the way and with either one on the floor, opponents' FG% in the paint is lower than most teams ever have. With active wings, they are fantastic. Wish our "defensive minded head coach" could figure that out.

Glad you brought that up again. I'd had more or less forgotten it.

Jokic may have struggled keeping up with some of the stretch PFs around the league, but even with the rough schedule to start the season that lineup was good on defense. I still say that Mudiay should be coming off the bench, and start Murray with Harris at the 2, and Gallo or Chandler at the 3, with Jokic and Nurkic and put in a couple of plays with Jokic running the offense from the high post, and Nurkic setting screens and the other guys cutting and moving, and that offense could be one of the best in the league, and we all know that Murray is a better defender than Mudiay so it could be a top 10 team right **** now.

The offense you are describing would indeed be one of the best in the league. It would improve our offense significantly and our offense is already one of the better ones in the league.

Here's one vote for our next coach to be a Rebel.

[GlenRiceARoni]

Nurkic isnt very good and he's only got one more year on his rookie deal before he likely gets overpaid.

I'd keep him as a cheap backup and see if he improves next year with a huge contract on the line.

He doesn't really have much value in a trade IMO because he's slipped defensively and his offensive game just isn't there.

The league is overloaded with big men right now because teams arent allocating them as many minutes.

If Mozgov got 4/ $64 you can bet some team will be dumb enough to throw a ton of cash at him. Id let him walk.

They need to just focus on surrounding Jokic with players who fit. Nurkic doesn't fit as you cant put him on the floor with Jokic. Regardless, he's a nice backup for spot duty.

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[skywalker33]

Nurkic isnt very good and he's only got one more year on his rookie deal before he likely gets overpaid.

I'd keep him as a cheap backup and see if he improves next year with a huge contract on the line.

He doesn't really have much value in a trade IMO because he's slipped defensively and his offensive game just isn't there.

The league is overloaded with big men right now because teams arent allocating them as many minutes.

If Mozgov got 4/ $64 you can bet some team will be dumb enough to throw a ton of cash at him. Id let him walk.

They need to just focus on surrounding Jokic with players who fit. Nurkic doesn't fit as you cant put him on the floor with Jokic. Regardless, he's a nice backup for spot duty.

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Sorry, I disagree that Nurkic isn't very good, he does need to work on a few things but I think he starts (and develop faster) on quite a few teams right now. I do agree that if we can't find the right deal we need to keep him, but I'd continue to look to trade him as he seems to want to start and that's isn't happening with Jokic here.

[TheOGJabroni]

Boston fan here, and I promise I do come in peace. I see a few posters from our board and others talking about Nurkic to Boston and for the most part, offers getting shut down. I am just curious to know what you all believe is fair value for him, coming from Boston.

[skywalker33]

Boston fan here, and I promise I do come in peace. I see a few posters from our board and others talking about Nurkic to Boston and for the most part, offers getting shut down. I am just curious to know what you all believe is fair value for him, coming from Boston.

Well, my ideal trade would be 2019 MEM 1st and rights to Zizic, but most BOS fans think Zizic is off-limits so I'd swap out Zizic with the MIN 2017 2nd and 2020 Heat 2nd. I figure if we have to wait to get paid, the 2020 Heat 2nd is the interest.

[CelticsPride18]

Boston fan here, and I promise I do come in peace. I see a few posters from our board and others talking about Nurkic to Boston and for the most part, offers getting shut down. I am just curious to know what you all believe is fair value for him, coming from Boston.

Well, my ideal trade would be 2019 MEM 1st and rights to Zizic, but most BOS fans think Zizic is off-limits so I'd swap out Zizic with the MIN 2017 2nd and 2020 Heat 2nd. I figure if we have to wait to get paid, the 2020 Heat 2nd is the interest.

That seems fair. I don't know a lot about Nurkic other than he is a good rebounder. Is he good on defense and why is he getting benched in Denver?