Nuggets Trades

[The Rebel]

Hastenstein - He doesnt strike me as a positive player. Looks like the type of player the NBA has phased out. I might be wrong and he could become a decent offensive bench piece. His value is that of a throw in to a big deal.

Hartenstein has a mid range jump shot, is better than Plumlee was on defense, and has a little bit of attitude on him, I don't know what you expect from a guy on a minimum contract, but he is great for what we need at backup Center.

[NuggetsWY]

Hastenstein - He doesnt strike me as a positive player. Looks like the type of player the NBA has phased out. I might be wrong and he could become a decent offensive bench piece. His value is that of a throw in to a big deal.

Hartenstein has a mid range jump shot, is better than Plumlee was on defense, and has a little bit of attitude on him, I don't know what you expect from a guy on a minimum contract, but he is great for what we need at backup Center.

Hartenstein has one strike against him - he's young. I would have loved to have acquired a veteran center. But I also wanted a young center much along the lines of Hartenstein.

I'm quite happy with Hartenstein - even pleasantly surprised.

[skywalker33]

Hastenstein - He doesnt strike me as a positive player. Looks like the type of player the NBA has phased out. I might be wrong and he could become a decent offensive bench piece. His value is that of a throw in to a big deal.

Hartenstein has a mid range jump shot, is better than Plumlee was on defense, and has a little bit of attitude on him, I don't know what you expect from a guy on a minimum contract, but he is great for what we need at backup Center.

Hartenstein has one strike against him - he's young. I would have loved to have acquired a veteran center. But I also wanted a young center much along the lines of Hartenstein.

I'm quite happy with Hartenstein - even pleasantly surprised.

Age discrimination is against the law WY, let’s keep it PC here

[THE J0KER]

Sacramento: Barton
Denver: Bjelica and 2021 less favorable 2nd round pick between Sacramento and Memphis (both owned by Kings)

Sacramento gets in Barton decent replacement for their former guard-forward Bogdanovic. I'm not sure if a starting job will be granted for Barton but he will get at least a guaranteed 30mpg time. With Bagley back from injury and signed Whiteside, Kings more need SF/SG backup than frontcourt PF/SF/C all-around Bjelica.

Bjelica is an expiring but a cheaper and proven team-player who never complained about his minutes nor role (PF basic position, but can cover SF and C too). Bjelica is a good 3pt shooter, good passer for frontcourt player, and unusually for Euro-forwards, he can play good defense, and with his EuroLeague experience can be very helpful to Camazzo in his NBA transition (and of course, there is Serbian NT connection with Jokic). I don't see the problem because we already have a similar player in Green because they are multidimensional players who can be used at the same time. Kings and Memphis 2nd round picks should be very close in 2021, around #40 both, so that "less favorable" part only makes Nuggets offer more attractive.


Talking about Hartenstein I have some feeling that not all here understand how important and helpful is for a contender team to have a useful player playing for a minimum. For a franchise like the Lakers is no problem to attract even future HoF veterans like Howard or Rondo to play for nothing, but Denver even as a contender needs great scouting to get someone good under the radar of others. Once the playoff starts Jokic will anyway play near 40 minutes, so we actually don't need a guy when it matters for more than 10 minutes of play, so paying Plumlee 14M per season very damaged the team's ability to improve other positions. Plumlee is a better defender, but we don't need an elite defender against opponents' 2nd units, and Plumlee is a very good passer for a big man, but his assists will not be so much missed with Campazzo playing in the 2nd unit. I don't know about the regular season, but in a playoff where Plumlee traditionally underperformed, we will get in Hartenstein at least an equally useful backup center for more than 5 times less money! We should be happy.

[skywalker33]

I thought about this, if the LAC fails again in the playoffs this year, would we be able to do an off-season deal for Kawhi ??

Something around Morris, Greene, Bol a couple of 1st and 2 swaps as well. May add in Barton if needed and he opts in. Not clear on the details yet but that could set us up for a dynamic title run. Feel free to help without giving the farm away, but looking to see if it's worth exploring

[THE J0KER]

I thought about this, if the LAC fails again in the playoffs this year, would we be able to do an off-season deal for Kawhi ??

Something around Morris, Greene, Bol a couple of 1st and 2 swaps as well. May add in Barton if needed and he opts in. Not clear on the details yet but that could set us up for a dynamic title run. Feel free to help without giving the farm away, but looking to see if it's worth exploring

If the Clippers have once again disappointed season that will probably end with George trade nod Kawhi exit. Los Angeles is Kawhi's hometown, the reason why he started that ugly trade saga in San Antonio and the reason why he left the Raptors champions team perfectly build around him. So, if Kawhi leaves the Clippers in 2021 he will probably still stay in LA (as Laker).

[Alatan]

Would you guys be willing to do a trade centered around MPJ for Butler?

Butler is on the wrong side of 30 and has been through the Thibs grinding wheel but he looks like a sturdy guy and is exactly what Denver needs in a star player. MPJ looks promising but he isnt projected to be a good defender and that would hurt his fit next to Jokic and Murray.
Getting Butler would instantly open up the championship window while with Porter we would need to wait a while. The problem is no one knows how much does Butler have left in the tank and MPJ might be here to stay for a long time.

If Miami has a slow start to the season an Jimmy realizes that next years free agency class is poo he might ask for a trade. And Miami might be willing to do a quick rebuild since this years draft class is stacked and next years might be the double draft.

[Richard Miller]

Butler just took Miami to the NBA finals as the leader of that team, no way he's leaving Miami now.

[skywalker33]

I thought about this, if the LAC fails again in the playoffs this year, would we be able to do an off-season deal for Kawhi ??

Something around Morris, Greene, Bol a couple of 1st and 2 swaps as well. May add in Barton if needed and he opts in. Not clear on the details yet but that could set us up for a dynamic title run. Feel free to help without giving the farm away, but looking to see if it's worth exploring

If the Clippers have once again disappointed season that will probably end with George trade nod Kawhi exit. Los Angeles is Kawhi's hometown, the reason why he started that ugly trade saga in San Antonio and the reason why he left the Raptors champions team perfectly build around him. So, if Kawhi leaves the Clippers in 2021 he will probably still stay in LA (as Laker).

Well Joker, my premise is that Kawhi is asking out. Agree with the hometown love but he did put in a PO, which opens next season. DEN is only an hour flight to SoCal so that may be close enough and if he sees us surpass the Clips again, maybe there’s a chance there

[psimanic1]

Maybe we could get into PHI HOU trade to get something for Barton? PJ maybe? He is not player Barton is, but he can play D and score corner 3s at high %

[NuggetsWY]

Hartenstein has a mid range jump shot, is better than Plumlee was on defense, and has a little bit of attitude on him, I don't know what you expect from a guy on a minimum contract, but he is great for what we need at backup Center.

Hartenstein has one strike against him - he's young. I would have loved to have acquired a veteran center. But I also wanted a young center much along the lines of Hartenstein.

I'm quite happy with Hartenstein - even pleasantly surprised.

Age discrimination is against the law WY, let’s keep it PC here

WY folk aren't always good at being "PC"

[skywalker33]

Would you guys be willing to do a trade centered around MPJ for Butler?

Butler is on the wrong side of 30 and has been through the Thibs grinding wheel but he looks like a sturdy guy and is exactly what Denver needs in a star player. MPJ looks promising but he isnt projected to be a good defender and that would hurt his fit next to Jokic and Murray.
Getting Butler would instantly open up the championship window while with Porter we would need to wait a while. The problem is no one knows how much does Butler have left in the tank and MPJ might be here to stay for a long time.

If Miami has a slow start to the season an Jimmy realizes that next years free agency class is poo he might ask for a trade. And Miami might be willing to do a quick rebuild since this years draft class is stacked and next years might be the double draft.

No, I wouldn't. Butler is a great player with talents any team could utilize. However, he is also very volitile on the teams he's been on*see CHI and MIN), usually his way or **** starts hitting the fan. Not sure how he would fit in here, chemistry is one of our huge assets. We have seen how MPJ fits in, plus we'd get to keep the other assets it would take to acquire Butler. And as was pointed out, Butler is on the wrong side of 30.

[Alatan]

We should really find a trade for Barton. Not because he is bad or because of his comments about starting but because we cant afford to keep him long term and he is taking development minutes from the young guys. Usually it would not be a problem but this season we have a lot of promising players that all need playing time.

This is Bartons contract year and he will try to get his stats possibly hurting the team. If he does play great he will be looking for Grant level salary witch we cant afford to give him. If he then leaves after starting the entire season we have wasted valuable development time on him and are again a step back from where we were.

It will hurt in the beginning since he is one of the few vets left on the team but the team has shown that they can play great basketball without him.

Teams like the Bucks, Phili, Boston could use a guy like Barton. The question is what could they give back. I struggle to find a simple trade that we would like. Maybe a three way or a consolidation trade.
The most interesting would be to include Barton in a three way with Sixers and Houston where we get Simmons. But i dont like Simmons that much to include what we would need to get him. A major trade could also ruin the chemistry.

Any ideas?

[Richard Miller]

If he plays well this season, it won't be hard to find a place

[skywalker33]

Well, he is coming off that "injury", whatever that was and it showed in his performance against POR Fri. Let's hope he starts feeling better sooner rather than later

[The Rebel]

We should really find a trade for Barton. Not because he is bad or because of his comments about starting but because we cant afford to keep him long term and he is taking development minutes from the young guys. Usually it would not be a problem but this season we have a lot of promising players that all need playing time.

This is Bartons contract year and he will try to get his stats possibly hurting the team. If he does play great he will be looking for Grant level salary witch we cant afford to give him. If he then leaves after starting the entire season we have wasted valuable development time on him and are again a step back from where we were.

It will hurt in the beginning since he is one of the few vets left on the team but the team has shown that they can play great basketball without him.

Teams like the Bucks, Phili, Boston could use a guy like Barton. The question is what could they give back. I struggle to find a simple trade that we would like. Maybe a three way or a consolidation trade.
The most interesting would be to include Barton in a three way with Sixers and Houston where we get Simmons. But i dont like Simmons that much to include what we would need to get him. A major trade could also ruin the chemistry.

Any ideas?

Memphis looked like they could really use a 2nd option that can iso when Ja was getting doubled last night against the Hawks.

I would love to pick up Kyle Anderson but they have to add a salary to it, and then we would have to add more as our roster is full so I don't see any obvious deals.

Kyle Anderson is a good defensive SF that does great against the big name scorers at SF and stretch 4, plus I don't see him bitching about a starting role.

[Manolito]

If Tucker does not reach an agreement for an extensión in the next 24h, he would be my primary target candidate as soon as Harden leaves Houston.

Dump Cancar somewhere and acquire PJ Tucker with a 2nd round and Grant's TPE. Along the season get out of the tax limit trading Barton

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[skywalker33]

I like Anderson but not sure he'd be my first choice, I really don't see him as a $9.5M player myself, especially for 3 more years. Therein though lies part of the issue of trading Barton....his salary. I see us having to include his as part of a bigger trade to get value back. And really, we don't need a BIG NAME, but we do need a player worthy of that type of salary that will play TEAM basketball.

[The Rebel]

If Tucker does not reach an agreement for an extensión in the next 24h, he would be my primary target candidate as soon as Harden leaves Houston.

Dump Cancar somewhere and acquire PJ Tucker with a 2nd round and Grant's TPE. Along the season get out of the tax limit trading Barton

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Tucker will put us over the hard cap that we triggered by using the full MLE.

We would have to send out Cancar, Bol, and Hartenstein to make it work financially, or Jaymichael Green.

[The Rebel]

I like Anderson but not sure he'd be my first choice, I really don't see him as a $9.5M player myself, especially for 3 more years. Therein though lies part of the issue of trading Barton....his salary. I see us having to include his as part of a bigger trade to get value back. And really, we don't need a BIG NAME, but we do need a player worthy of that type of salary that will play TEAM basketball.

My immediate idea is that we could get a lightly protected pick and maybe a 2nd or something for swapping Barton for Anderson, also Anderson's deal expires after 21-22 so he would be expired when we need to pay MPJ.