Nuggets Trades

[Richard Miller]

Remember the horror that OKC fans went through when the Thunder gave away Harden to begin with. FO is thinking about that about now.

Yea but OKC didn't trade him for an MVP, they got some bench players and picks coming back iirc. In any case, can't imagine the Nuggets are high on his list (or at all).

[The Rebel]

Remember the horror that OKC fans went through when the Thunder gave away Harden to begin with. FO is thinking about that about now.

Yea but OKC didn't trade him for an MVP, they got some bench players and picks coming back iirc. In any case, can't imagine the Nuggets are high on his list (or at all).

I say it is a lot more than trading a guy they think is a potential MVP, even if it is a former MVP.

Can anybody look at the way that Harden plays and the way that we play and argue that if you remove Harris, Barton, and MPJ and replace them with Harden that we would be a better team?

Who are your spot up shooters? Are you turning Jokic into just a rim runner? Are you willing to go 4 on 5 when Harden just hangs out at half court when his number isn't called? Who are your perimeter defenders?


You also have to look at how it affects your current team that was just in the western conference finals. How does Harden fit with Jokic and Murray? Does he fit the overall culture? Does he want to be here or will he at least be a professional about it?

Then you have to look at are you now better than the Lakers? Are you still better than the Cippers? Are you better than the Mavs even at that point?


I don't see how anybody could answer those questions honestly and think that Harden is someone we should be chasing, whether it takes Murray, MPJ, or anybody else.

[TunaFish]

Remember the horror that OKC fans went through when the Thunder gave away Harden to begin with. FO is thinking about that about now.

Yea but OKC didn't trade him for an MVP, they got some bench players and picks coming back iirc. In any case, can't imagine the Nuggets are high on his list (or at all).

However, I remember it well. They didn't really know what they had with Harden except he was good enough to become expensive. That trade was a disaster from the start and the fans in OKC questioned it from the start.

Does Denver know what they have in MPJ?

[Richard Miller]

Does Denver know what they have in MPJ?

I hope they do. Especially since Jamal appears to be starting slow yet again, there'll be a lot of expectations riding on MPJ, for better or worse.

[Mickey8]

I would pull the trigger for Harden. MPJ + Harris + Barton + 2021 FRP + 2025 FRP

Despite his currently poor attitude, how many times have the Nuggets ever had the chance to land a top10 player with still two years in his contract? Without getting rid of two all star players, that is a huge big three. This is the last piece to be an absolut contender for the next two years. We have seen already that formula in the Lakers, best duo in the league plus a bunch of role players

Losing MPJ would hurt a lot, I love his potential. But he has an injury story behind him and there is no guarantee he would become an All Star. Barton´s value is almost zero. He has a PO and all this starter s***. Harris is a top defender but I am tired already of waiting for his old shooting.

Murray Morris Campazzo
Harden Hampton
Dozier
Millsap Green Bol Bol Nnaji
Jokic Hartenstein

That is scary team, even deep except obviously in SF. If you make such a trade, you go all in and I hope they also trade for Tucker with Grant´s TPE. There are a couple of vets who could help (Kidd Gilchrist, Hollis Jefferson,...they only need to guard for 10 minutes)

Harden is a good player but he is an opposite of what fits next to Jokic or Murray.

You say Denver would be a scary team but i just see a bunch of weaknesses and redundancies.
How would we defend the PnR? Both Harde and Jokic are not great PnR defenders. How would we defend the perimeter? Harden is awful at the perimeter and Murray is not there yet. How would we defend Harden and Jokic being targeted on isolation? We cant hide half the team. Who would defend the rim? 35 year old Millsap? Who would defend big wings like LBJ, Kawhi, Giannis? Who would defend the Lilards and Kayries of the NBA? Dozier might get there but probably not before Harden decides to leave.

Would Harden play off ball in Denver? He didnt play off ball with CP3 or Westbrook so why would we believe he would play nice with Jokic and Murray? If he is going to stand around the logo like he did in Houston id rather have Cancar on those plays. He would at least try to do something without the ball.
When Harden has the ball will he try to play in a motion offense or will he just Iso all day making Jokic a glorified Anderson and Murray, Eric Gordon.
Thats a team that struggles to make the playoffs in the 1st season together. Then you need to trade even more guys to bring in defensive vets around Harden and Jokic witch probably means trading Murray.

If that doesnt work Harden is gone and we are left with a disgruntled Jokic wanting out. That trade brings so many pit falls that id rather just not have Harden. Harden needs a team built around him. He is not a player willing to adjust from what i saw.

Why would Jokic be disgruntled and want out? If it goes bad as you say harden will walk than Jokic still has an all star teammate in Murray. If it goes really bad this season trade Harden for role players and still have Jokic/Murray. Next year Philadelphia would still trade Harris, Thybull, and Curry for harden if it’s apparent this year that harden, Jokic and Murray wouldn’t work.

Also you don’t put the best scorer in the nba off ball for Murray, you let harden operate and Murray is off ball the hood thing is there both elite shooters and puck and roll players. Defense for sure will be a problem however so you’d need to somehow get a 3D player at SF/PF.

No he doesn't .

[The Rebel]

he was OK, the rest of the team stunk it up though. They were w/o Draymond and of course Klay

He is someone I would not mind getting, the issue is what do you give for him? No way on Murray or Jokic of course, and I doubt stan will trade MPJ.

Curry seems like the type that will keep a trade request quiet but may want out and I think the Warriors would like the idea to move him to another contender while getting some youth. Draymond is basically done, Thompson is out for the 2nd year in a row, it may make a lot of sense to quietly get him out of there. A year of struggles with that roster will hurt his long term reputation, where as coming to Denver he can slow down quietly as the superstar veteran.

We have to send out Harris and Barton, so what more would you include? and what would get it done?

Would Barton, Harris, Bol, Hampton, and a couple of picks get it done?

They get Bol to go with Wiseman, a young combo guard that Kerr can work with, and with some touches and minutes both Harris and Barton should have value at the trade deadline. The deal keeps them respectable while giving them a host of young talent between Wiseman, Bol, Hampton, and then 2 good lottery picks next year with maybe a 3rd late 1st round pick.

Curry, Lebron, Doncic, Giannis, Davis, Lillard, Tatum, Butler, KD, Mitchell, Simmons, Harden and Irving (probably Booker, Embiid, KAT, Adebayo, Zion and maybe Ingram) are not obtainable in a trade without their request. If you have some leverage like Harden or Davis you need 2 good young player and 5 years of picks (3 picks and 2 swap).
It wuold probably take Harris, Barton, MPJ, one rookie or Bol and 4 years of picks (2+2) for Harden and he request a trade openly. I can only imagine what wuold take to trade for Curry.

Watching parts of their game today, it is going to get ugly in Golden State. Curry was out most of last year with an injury other players usually return from in a few weeks, so they could tank. He is almost 33 years old, how long do you think he is going to want to stick around and tank or just be on a terrible team?

Curry can't carry that team well enough to be a playoff team anymore. He needs space and ball movement, that team lacks both. Is he going to take another season off at his age? Right about now the Warriors are realizing that they have screwed themselves. They can't move Wiggins nor Oubre, Green is slowing down and having injury issues, and Thompson is out another year.

We don't know what it will take to get Harden, at this point it may take a heck of a lot less than you seem to think and I still wouldn't do it. The Rockets thought they would get the kind of package you mentioned in your post, but they are finding out the market is not there. Last report the Heat wouldn't included Herro for Harden, look at his numbers compared the MPJ, especially in the playoffs.

Who is going to want Curry when he makes $45 million a year for the next 2 years? How many can make the numbers work without a ton of bad salary going back to them? Curry will always be loved in Golden State, and they cannot trade him to a bad team or even a low level playoff team that PR hit would be terrible with the players/agents and with their fans. They maybe able to trade him to a contender. Lakers, Bucks, and Clippers have nothing to offer. He will not want to go to Boston if they don't have Tatum and Brown so they have low level prospects and picks and you have to take back Walker and the 2 years left on his deal. It will likely come down to us, Boston, or Miami and Miami cannot offer Bam.

[MarxyLebronist]

Porter is not a compelling hold up to a Harden acquisition, so I presume Harden refuses to play for Denver.

[Riko]

He is someone I would not mind getting, the issue is what do you give for him? No way on Murray or Jokic of course, and I doubt stan will trade MPJ.

Curry seems like the type that will keep a trade request quiet but may want out and I think the Warriors would like the idea to move him to another contender while getting some youth. Draymond is basically done, Thompson is out for the 2nd year in a row, it may make a lot of sense to quietly get him out of there. A year of struggles with that roster will hurt his long term reputation, where as coming to Denver he can slow down quietly as the superstar veteran.

We have to send out Harris and Barton, so what more would you include? and what would get it done?

Would Barton, Harris, Bol, Hampton, and a couple of picks get it done?

They get Bol to go with Wiseman, a young combo guard that Kerr can work with, and with some touches and minutes both Harris and Barton should have value at the trade deadline. The deal keeps them respectable while giving them a host of young talent between Wiseman, Bol, Hampton, and then 2 good lottery picks next year with maybe a 3rd late 1st round pick.

Curry, Lebron, Doncic, Giannis, Davis, Lillard, Tatum, Butler, KD, Mitchell, Simmons, Harden and Irving (probably Booker, Embiid, KAT, Adebayo, Zion and maybe Ingram) are not obtainable in a trade without their request. If you have some leverage like Harden or Davis you need 2 good young player and 5 years of picks (3 picks and 2 swap).
It wuold probably take Harris, Barton, MPJ, one rookie or Bol and 4 years of picks (2+2) for Harden and he request a trade openly. I can only imagine what wuold take to trade for Curry.

Watching parts of their game today, it is going to get ugly in Golden State. Curry was out most of last year with an injury other players usually return from in a few weeks, so they could tank. He is almost 33 years old, how long do you think he is going to want to stick around and tank or just be on a terrible team?

Curry can't carry that team well enough to be a playoff team anymore. He needs space and ball movement, that team lacks both. Is he going to take another season off at his age? Right about now the Warriors are realizing that they have screwed themselves. They can't move Wiggins nor Oubre, Green is slowing down and having injury issues, and Thompson is out another year.

We don't know what it will take to get Harden, at this point it may take a heck of a lot less than you seem to think and I still wouldn't do it. The Rockets thought they would get the kind of package you mentioned in your post, but they are finding out the market is not there. Last report the Heat wouldn't included Herro for Harden, look at his numbers compared the MPJ, especially in the playoffs.

Who is going to want Curry when he makes $45 million a year for the next 2 years? How many can make the numbers work without a ton of bad salary going back to them? Curry will always be loved in Golden State, and they cannot trade him to a bad team or even a low level playoff team that PR hit would be terrible with the players/agents and with their fans. They maybe able to trade him to a contender. Lakers, Bucks, and Clippers have nothing to offer. He will not want to go to Boston if they don't have Tatum and Brown so they have low level prospects and picks and you have to take back Walker and the 2 years left on his deal. It will likely come down to us, Boston, or Miami and Miami cannot offer Bam.

Nono, you don't get the point. The players listed there are not in sale unless they demand a trade. No matters the record or the salary, Curry is worth for GS well more than 45m/y, he is a global superstar and they want him and his name on Golden State jersey. Will he demand a trade? I seriously doubt that.
On Harden trade's package all depends to how quickly Houston wants to move on from his charades, no offer can really match the impact of a top-10 players unless you know that you will get the first pick in a good draft (CP3's trade in 2010). Davis was traded for a package similar to mine (Ingram, Ball, Hart, the forth pick overall in 2019 draft and another 2 1st round) and he had just one year left on his contract and he demanded a trade in march. Heck even Holiday -a top30 player- was traded for a monster return with just one year left.
Houston can decide to trade Harden for less but it will because of his behavior and to move on to a rebuild not because the market is not there.

[skywalker33]

Porter is not a compelling hold up to a Harden acquisition, so I presume Harden refuses to play for Denver.

You can make assumptions all you want, but you do know what they say about 'em. DEN has already taken both MPJ and Murray off they table, and why shouldn't they ??? Who do you think we would be bidding against ??? All those Harden to DEN rumors are coming from HOU

[MarxyLebronist]

Porter is not a compelling hold up to a Harden acquisition, so I presume Harden refuses to play for Denver.

You can make assumptions all you want, but you do know what they say about 'em. DEN has already taken both MPJ and Murray off they table, and why shouldn't they ??? Who do you think we would be bidding against ??? All those Harden to DEN rumors are coming from HOU

Oh definitely not Murray. But Porter should not be an impediment and frankly doesn’t get the job done for Harden.

[Mickey8]

At this point even though I am not the fan of Harden at all , I would get involved in the trade for him , thats how pathetic Denver looks now , at least pair Jokic with another superstar even though their games are not complimenting each other and see what happens.

[skywalker33]

Have to say rethinking on Curry, he is looking his age and not nearly worth the money.

[Richard Miller]

Don't think Curry is leaving GS and even if he is can't imagine he would do that to come to Nuggets, if anything he might join the Clippers, they are desperate for a (real) point guard.

[NuggetsWY]

Porter is not a compelling hold up to a Harden acquisition, so I presume Harden refuses to play for Denver.

You can make assumptions all you want, but you do know what they say about 'em. DEN has already taken both MPJ and Murray off they table, and why shouldn't they ??? Who do you think we would be bidding against ??? All those Harden to DEN rumors are coming from HOU

Oh definitely not Murray. But Porter should not be an impediment and frankly doesn’t get the job done for Harden.

Yup, Denver says no to trading Jokic, Murray, Porter - if anyone thinks Houston should still trade Harden to Denver, they're probably crazier than a Denver GM that's willing to trade Jokic, Murry, or Porter (and our GM does not appear that crazy).

[MarxyLebronist]

You can make assumptions all you want, but you do know what they say about 'em. DEN has already taken both MPJ and Murray off they table, and why shouldn't they ??? Who do you think we would be bidding against ??? All those Harden to DEN rumors are coming from HOU

Oh definitely not Murray. But Porter should not be an impediment and frankly doesn’t get the job done for Harden.

Yup, Denver says no to trading Jokic, Murray, Porter - if anyone thinks Houston should still trade Harden to Denver, they're probably crazier than a Denver GM that's willing to trade Jokic, Murry, or Porter (and our GM does not appear that crazy).

Nothing to worry about- Porter isn't enough for Harden, so I'll let it go now.

[The Rebel]

Spoiler:

Curry, Lebron, Doncic, Giannis, Davis, Lillard, Tatum, Butler, KD, Mitchell, Simmons, Harden and Irving (probably Booker, Embiid, KAT, Adebayo, Zion and maybe Ingram) are not obtainable in a trade without their request. If you have some leverage like Harden or Davis you need 2 good young player and 5 years of picks (3 picks and 2 swap).
It wuold probably take Harris, Barton, MPJ, one rookie or Bol and 4 years of picks (2+2) for Harden and he request a trade openly. I can only imagine what wuold take to trade for Curry.

Watching parts of their game today, it is going to get ugly in Golden State. Curry was out most of last year with an injury other players usually return from in a few weeks, so they could tank. He is almost 33 years old, how long do you think he is going to want to stick around and tank or just be on a terrible team?

Curry can't carry that team well enough to be a playoff team anymore. He needs space and ball movement, that team lacks both. Is he going to take another season off at his age? Right about now the Warriors are realizing that they have screwed themselves. They can't move Wiggins nor Oubre, Green is slowing down and having injury issues, and Thompson is out another year.

We don't know what it will take to get Harden, at this point it may take a heck of a lot less than you seem to think and I still wouldn't do it. The Rockets thought they would get the kind of package you mentioned in your post, but they are finding out the market is not there. Last report the Heat wouldn't included Herro for Harden, look at his numbers compared the MPJ, especially in the playoffs.

Who is going to want Curry when he makes $45 million a year for the next 2 years? How many can make the numbers work without a ton of bad salary going back to them? Curry will always be loved in Golden State, and they cannot trade him to a bad team or even a low level playoff team that PR hit would be terrible with the players/agents and with their fans. They maybe able to trade him to a contender. Lakers, Bucks, and Clippers have nothing to offer. He will not want to go to Boston if they don't have Tatum and Brown so they have low level prospects and picks and you have to take back Walker and the 2 years left on his deal. It will likely come down to us, Boston, or Miami and Miami cannot offer Bam.

Nono, you don't get the point. The players listed there are not in sale unless they demand a trade. No matters the record or the salary, Curry is worth for GS well more than 45m/y, he is a global superstar and they want him and his name on Golden State jersey. Will he demand a trade? I seriously doubt that.

Nono you are not getting my point, I fully understand your point. It is easy to be loyal when you are on a young and improving team, than you make 5 straight trips to the finals. It is much harder to be loyal when your team is the worst team in the league and everybody is blaming you. While Curry is not the type to make a public trade request, he is already saying that the team must start winning now. He is already realizing what is coming, as Sky and I both have seen for decades around this league, when the ship is sinking stars are jumping off the boat. We don't know what Curry will do, but to say he isn't going to request a trade here soon is ignoring the history of the league. ONly a handful of guys have stuck with their team no matter what, and very few of those guys were on the worst team in the league.

The issue becomes what is his value when he jumps, and there are not going to be many suitors for him at this point just due to his age, his contract, and him already declining.

On Harden trade's package all depends to how quickly Houston wants to move on from his charades, no offer can really match the impact of a top-10 players unless you know that you will get the first pick in a good draft (CP3's trade in 2010). Davis was traded for a package similar to mine (Ingram, Ball, Hart, the forth pick overall in 2019 draft and another 2 1st round) and he had just one year left on his contract and he demanded a trade in march. Heck even Holiday -a top30 player- was traded for a monster return with just one year left.
Houston can decide to trade Harden for less but it will because of his behavior and to move on to a rebuild not because the market is not there.

If the market was there for Harden than they would get what they want for him. They are not holding onto him to take a lesser deal, they are holding him hoping he can bring back more than the market is willing to give for him now.

the Lakers overpaid for Davis but he was the final piece for the championship team, and they had to do it to keep Lebron happy. The Bucks overpaid for Holiday so they could keep Giannis happy. Which team is desperate to land Harden? From all reports Brown, Herro, Murray, Simmons, and MPJ are not included in the offers, which tells me they are not getting the Davis type of offers.

[The Rebel]

Oh definitely not Murray. But Porter should not be an impediment and frankly doesn’t get the job done for Harden.

Yup, Denver says no to trading Jokic, Murray, Porter - if anyone thinks Houston should still trade Harden to Denver, they're probably crazier than a Denver GM that's willing to trade Jokic, Murry, or Porter (and our GM does not appear that crazy).

Nothing to worry about- Porter isn't enough for Harden, so I'll let it go now.

Doesn't matter if he is enough or not, it appears that the Rockets are the ones begging for him and they are being told he is untouchable. Nobody wants Harden yet it appears that a lot of teams want MPJ.

[Mickey8]

I would deal Murray for Harden at this point.

[The Rebel]

I would deal Murray for Harden at this point.

I thought you were a JOkic fan? Why would you want him turned into a poor man's Capela?

[The Rebel]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.