Nuggets Trades

[skywalker33]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.

While I agree and see a long-term fit next to Jokic, for what it'd take to procure him for I'd just as soon wait on Nnaji and use the other assets for the team. If you could get him for Barton, Bol and perhaps Green, I'm in, but don't see ATL looking for that frankly.

[NuggetsWY]

I would deal Murray for Harden at this point.

I thought you were a JOkic fan? Why would you want him turned into a poor man's Capela?

I will continue with my belief that if the Nuggets are going to trade for Harden (please NO); then the trade should include Jokic since his game is totally incompatible with Harden's game.

Then trade Murray for whatever you can get because you don't need a PG with Harden's game.

The best Nuggets to play with Harden are Porter, Barton, Morris, Millsap and maybe Bol and/or Dozier. He needs 3pt shooting and not much else. Those were our best 3pt shooters last year.

That would give us a team just like Houston - a team that will struggle to win anything in the playoffs.

[Manolito]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.

This makes no sense if you don't plan to max Collins out, which would not allow us to pay MPJ one year later.

And if you don't give MPJ away for Harden, is worse to do that for Collins

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[Riko]

Nono you are not getting my point, I fully understand your point. It is easy to be loyal when you are on a young and improving team, than you make 5 straight trips to the finals. It is much harder to be loyal when your team is the worst team in the league and everybody is blaming you. While Curry is not the type to make a public trade request, he is already saying that the team must start winning now. He is already realizing what is coming, as Sky and I both have seen for decades around this league, when the ship is sinking stars are jumping off the boat. We don't know what Curry will do, but to say he isn't going to request a trade here soon is ignoring the history of the league. ONly a handful of guys have stuck with their team no matter what, and very few of those guys were on the worst team in the league.

The issue becomes what is his value when he jumps, and there are not going to be many suitors for him at this point just due to his age, his contract, and him already declining.

Ok, I understand. I don't see him demanding a trade for joining some other star but I get what you're saying.

If the market was there for Harden than they would get what they want for him. They are not holding onto him to take a lesser deal, they are holding him hoping he can bring back more than the market is willing to give for him now.

the Lakers overpaid for Davis but he was the final piece for the championship team, and they had to do it to keep Lebron happy. The Bucks overpaid for Holiday so they could keep Giannis happy. Which team is desperate to land Harden? From all reports Brown, Herro, Murray, Simmons, and MPJ are not included in the offers, which tells me they are not getting the Davis type of offers.

There is always some desperate team in the NBA. I hope won't be Denver but sooner or later (probably who has a 2y window maybe even GS or BKN? Toronto trying to pull a Leonard?) someone will overpay him

[The Rebel]

Have to say rethinking on Curry, he is looking his age and not nearly worth the money.

I can see him being a great 3rd star for the next year or two, he is about done though.

Don't think Curry is leaving GS and even if he is can't imagine he would do that to come to Nuggets, if anything he might join the Clippers, they are desperate for a (real) point guard.

Malone and Curry have reportedly always been tight. I also don't think Curry will want to be the forgotten man. IN Denver he is the big star teaching the young stars how to win, in LA he is the old star ready for retirement.

[The Rebel]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.

While I agree and see a long-term fit next to Jokic, for what it'd take to procure him for I'd just as soon wait on Nnaji and use the other assets for the team. If you could get him for Barton, Bol and perhaps Green, I'm in, but don't see ATL looking for that frankly.

We have the TPE so it may only cost us a pick.

I still think you can flip Barton for a marginal contract and a pick, you could use that pick for Collins. The issue is that he is still on his rookie deal, so it was have to be a prospect or a bigger deal.

[The Rebel]

I would deal Murray for Harden at this point.

I thought you were a JOkic fan? Why would you want him turned into a poor man's Capela?

I will continue with my belief that if the Nuggets are going to trade for Harden (please NO); then the trade should include Jokic since his game is totally incompatible with Harden's game.

Then trade Murray for whatever you can get because you don't need a PG with Harden's game.

The best Nuggets to play with Harden are Porter, Barton, Morris, Millsap and maybe Bol and/or Dozier. He needs 3pt shooting and not much else. Those were our best 3pt shooters last year.

That would give us a team just like Houston - a team that will struggle to win anything in the playoffs.

I agree it would be terrible to bring Harden in with Murray and Jokic. They will both be out of here within the year.

[Jkam31]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.

Dude can’t defend how is he a fit

[The Rebel]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.

This makes no sense if you don't plan to max Collins out, which would not allow us to pay MPJ one year later.

And if you don't give MPJ away for Harden, is worse to do that for Collins

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I wouldn't trade Harris and Barton for Harden if that tells you what I think about trading for him.

Now who said we would have to give MPJ for Collins?

IF the team works with Collins, Murray, MPJ, and Jokic than who cares if we have 4 max deals? Stan Kroenke has always said they would pay the tax if they had a contender and we would have a contender if Collins works out.

We have Jokic locked up for 3 more years, realistically we have him for 2 years if we do not build a contender. Do you want to throw away this season? Millsap is done, at best he is a 20 mpg backup pf right now and that depends on matchups. Bol isn't a replacement anytime soon, Green is out injured and has a long injury history, so at best we are depending on Nnaji. A guy who looks like he needs some development time but not a guy you want as your only viable PF all season.

If the team works we will have basically a big upgrade at PF with a guy who fits damn near perfectly on offense, is a good perimeter defender and solid help defender. Grant is the better man to man defender, but overall Collins is a big upgrade from him. We develop chemistry this year, MPj, and the bench with the expectation that we are a dynasty waiting to happen with 4 stars just heading into their prime.

[The Rebel]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.

Dude can’t defend how is he a fit

He is a positive defender despite playing most of his minutes with the worst defender in the league at PG. If you don't think he can defend you need to watch a few Hawks games. He struggles against true Center, but he is good on the perimeter against the PFs that nobody on this roster can cover right now.

[Manolito]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.

This makes no sense if you don't plan to max Collins out, which would not allow us to pay MPJ one year later.

And if you don't give MPJ away for Harden, is worse to do that for Collins

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I wouldn't trade Harris and Barton for Harden if that tells you what I think about trading for him.

Now who said we would have to give MPJ for Collins?

IF the team works with Collins, Murray, MPJ, and Jokic than who cares if we have 4 max deals? Stan Kroenke has always said they would pay the tax if they had a contender and we would have a contender if Collins works out.

We have Jokic locked up for 3 more years, realistically we have him for 2 years if we do not build a contender. Do you want to throw away this season? Millsap is done, at best he is a 20 mpg backup pf right now and that depends on matchups. Bol isn't a replacement anytime soon, Green is out injured and has a long injury history, so at best we are depending on Nnaji. A guy who looks like he needs some development time but not a guy you want as your only viable PF all season.

If the team works we will have basically a big upgrade at PF with a guy who fits damn near perfectly on offense, is a good perimeter defender and solid help defender. Grant is the better man to man defender, but overall Collins is a big upgrade from him. We develop chemistry this year, MPj, and the bench with the expectation that we are a dynasty waiting to happen with 4 stars just heading into their prime.

For sure ATL is going to trade Collins for a couple of late first round picks, sounds very realistic.

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[skywalker33]

This makes no sense if you don't plan to max Collins out, which would not allow us to pay MPJ one year later.

And if you don't give MPJ away for Harden, is worse to do that for Collins

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I wouldn't trade Harris and Barton for Harden if that tells you what I think about trading for him.

Now who said we would have to give MPJ for Collins?

IF the team works with Collins, Murray, MPJ, and Jokic than who cares if we have 4 max deals? Stan Kroenke has always said they would pay the tax if they had a contender and we would have a contender if Collins works out.

We have Jokic locked up for 3 more years, realistically we have him for 2 years if we do not build a contender. Do you want to throw away this season? Millsap is done, at best he is a 20 mpg backup pf right now and that depends on matchups. Bol isn't a replacement anytime soon, Green is out injured and has a long injury history, so at best we are depending on Nnaji. A guy who looks like he needs some development time but not a guy you want as your only viable PF all season.

If the team works we will have basically a big upgrade at PF with a guy who fits damn near perfectly on offense, is a good perimeter defender and solid help defender. Grant is the better man to man defender, but overall Collins is a big upgrade from him. We develop chemistry this year, MPj, and the bench with the expectation that we are a dynasty waiting to happen with 4 stars just heading into their prime.

For sure ATL is going to trade Collins for a couple of late first round picks, sounds very realistic.

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Well, what's their alternatives, lose him for NOTHING or PAY him more than they want to as he already turned down a $90MM offer from them.

[Manolito]

ATL will get considerably better offers for him. At that price, I would prefer keeping him and verify in Play Off if he is worthy matching any potential max offer he might get

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[The Rebel]

ATL will get considerably better offers for him. At that price, I would prefer keeping him and verify in Play Off if he is worthy matching any potential max offer he might get

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Who is even going to make an offer for him? He isn't a guy you build around so teams are not going to want to max him if they do not already have their true stars in place. Teams like the Lakers, Clippers, and Bucks have no draft picks to even offer. I don't even think it will take 2 picks, I think it will take a decent 1st and maybe a mediocre prospect.

[skywalker33]

ATL will get considerably better offers for him. At that price, I would prefer keeping him and verify in Play Off if he is worthy matching any potential max offer he might get

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You really think ATL hasn't already been on the phone after he turned down that offer ?? The longer they wait the lower the offers go, especially as the trade deadline approaches.

[Richard Miller]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.

This makes no sense if you don't plan to max Collins out, which would not allow us to pay MPJ one year later.

And if you don't give MPJ away for Harden, is worse to do that for Collins

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I wouldn't trade Harris and Barton for Harden if that tells you what I think about trading for him.

Now who said we would have to give MPJ for Collins?

IF the team works with Collins, Murray, MPJ, and Jokic than who cares if we have 4 max deals? Stan Kroenke has always said they would pay the tax if they had a contender and we would have a contender if Collins works out.

I may be wrong, but the reports seem to say his defense "needs a lot of work" so basically he's another MPJ. And so far they haven't figured out how to integrate MPJ with Jokic and Murray, frankly I have zero confidence they will integrate Murray, MPJ and Collins if they can't get the first two to work. Tbh, I'd rather try to develop Zeke on the fly, since he's far better potential defense-wise, doesn't need the ball and is on a rookie contract.

[skywalker33]

This makes no sense if you don't plan to max Collins out, which would not allow us to pay MPJ one year later.

And if you don't give MPJ away for Harden, is worse to do that for Collins

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I wouldn't trade Harris and Barton for Harden if that tells you what I think about trading for him.

Now who said we would have to give MPJ for Collins?

IF the team works with Collins, Murray, MPJ, and Jokic than who cares if we have 4 max deals? Stan Kroenke has always said they would pay the tax if they had a contender and we would have a contender if Collins works out.

I may be wrong, but the reports seem to say his defense "needs a lot of work" so basically he's another MPJ. And so far they haven't figured out how to integrate MPJ with Jokic and Murray, frankly I have zero confidence they will integrate Murray, MPJ and Collins if they can't get the first two to work. Tbh, I'd rather try to develop Zeke on the fly, since he's far better potential defense-wise, doesn't need the ball and is on a rookie contract.

Chemistry, especially defensive chemistry doesn't happen overnight so I believe it will happen, just knowing where you're supposed to be and where the others are isn't always intuitive right away. I do agree it would be harder to add that 4th when three is having its issues. I do like the idea of getting Zeke up to speed right away but even he realizes (and acknowledges) that he's having his own rookie growing pains with defense and spacing so I don't see Malone putting him into the frying pan right away.

[Jkam31]

John Collins just turned down his extension with the Hawks, rumors are that they are likely going to trade him. I still think that is the guy we should be chasing. Great fit next to Jokic.

This makes no sense if you don't plan to max Collins out, which would not allow us to pay MPJ one year later.

And if you don't give MPJ away for Harden, is worse to do that for Collins

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I wouldn't trade Harris and Barton for Harden if that tells you what I think about trading for him.

Now who said we would have to give MPJ for Collins?

IF the team works with Collins, Murray, MPJ, and Jokic than who cares if we have 4 max deals? Stan Kroenke has always said they would pay the tax if they had a contender and we would have a contender if Collins works out.

We have Jokic locked up for 3 more years, realistically we have him for 2 years if we do not build a contender. Do you want to throw away this season? Millsap is done, at best he is a 20 mpg backup pf right now and that depends on matchups. Bol isn't a replacement anytime soon, Green is out injured and has a long injury history, so at best we are depending on Nnaji. A guy who looks like he needs some development time but not a guy you want as your only viable PF all season.

If the team works we will have basically a big upgrade at PF with a guy who fits damn near perfectly on offense, is a good perimeter defender and solid help defender. Grant is the better man to man defender, but overall Collins is a big upgrade from him. We develop chemistry this year, MPj, and the bench with the expectation that we are a dynasty waiting to happen with 4 stars just heading into their prime.

You wouldn’t trade Barton/ Harris for harden hahah

What’s your offer for Murray who isn’t half the player harden is

[Richard Miller]

You wouldn’t trade Barton/ Harris for harden hahah

What’s your offer for Murray who isn’t half the player harden is

Some fans just don't like Harden so much they wouldn't want him for free I guess. Of course, the Nuggets front office would trade Barton/Harris for Harden faster than it took me to type this.

[Jkam31]

You wouldn’t trade Barton/ Harris for harden hahah

What’s your offer for Murray who isn’t half the player harden is

Some fans just don't like Harden so much they wouldn't want him for free I guess. Of course, the Nuggets front office would trade Barton/Harris for Harden faster than it took me to type this.

I was a harden hater up till last week like damn hate him but put respect on his name seriously. Just shuffling Murray for Harden probably makes denver the favorites but no I hate him, it’s comical