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Post#1461 » by mirmil » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:39 pm

For what you are offering I doubt we can get something elite on PF. We could get Collins perhaps but his defense is not good at all.
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Post#1462 » by Manolito » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:18 pm

We don´t need (and can´t pay) an elite PF, we already have an elite trio. I think that package could land us a solid role player up to 20M contract for more than season.

Collins value is sinking every game, but I doubt Bol Bol + a late first might be enough.
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Post#1463 » by skywalker33 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:48 pm

mirmil wrote:Don't know what you guys think of it but Blazers Gary Trent Jr. is in his last year of contract and so is Will Burton. Maybe S&T could benefit for both sides. We would have MPJ as a starter and having Trent Jr. as a second unit would make us even better. Don't know what would Blazers would think of such a trade,maybe some picks could be involved.


I like Trent Jr but he's already turned down a $70M offer I believe, not really sure that was prudent on his part but it shows he wants to test the market. That would make me leary of trading any assets for him at this point.
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Post#1464 » by skywalker33 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:59 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:Media says New Orleans is ready to trade Ball & Redick.

I'd love Redick on the Nuggets. He moves constantly on offense and can shoot lights out. He'd be a great player when Jokic is on the floor. But he's an expiring, so it's a gamble.

Ball is another combo-guard like Murray & Morris & Dozier. I've never been a fan of Ball, and not just because of his father. :wink: I do think he has more potential than he's showing in New Orleans. But I don't really think we want him in Denver. He's also an expiring, so it's a gamble.

Expiring contracts can be acquired relatively easily. But how much?

Redick for Barton is a salary swap. (I'd like this one.) Would New Orleans want a 2nd? Maybe an overpay, but I'd do it.

Harris for Redick & Ball works. Not sure I'd like this one at all.


Reddick has been a heckuva player through the years but he's 36yo, closer to retirement than producing that needed FG. Right now, would he be an upgrade from Barton ?? Not so sure..
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Post#1465 » by NuggetsWY » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:01 pm

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NuggetsWY wrote:Media says New Orleans is ready to trade Ball & Redick.

I'd love Redick on the Nuggets. He moves constantly on offense and can shoot lights out. He'd be a great player when Jokic is on the floor. But he's an expiring, so it's a gamble.

Ball is another combo-guard like Murray & Morris & Dozier. I've never been a fan of Ball, and not just because of his father. :wink: I do think he has more potential than he's showing in New Orleans. But I don't really think we want him in Denver. He's also an expiring, so it's a gamble.

Expiring contracts can be acquired relatively easily. But how much?

Redick for Barton is a salary swap. (I'd like this one.) Would New Orleans want a 2nd? Maybe an overpay, but I'd do it.

Harris for Redick & Ball works. Not sure I'd like this one at all.

Reddick has been a heckuva player through the years but he's 36yo, closer to retirement than producing that needed FG. Right now, would he be an upgrade from Barton ?? Not so sure..

If he can teach a couple of our players to move without the ball; it would be worth it!
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Post#1466 » by skywalker33 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:17 pm

mirmil wrote:For what you are offering I doubt we can get something elite on PF. We could get Collins perhaps but his defense is not good at all.


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Post#1467 » by mirmil » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:57 am

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mirmil wrote:For what you are offering I doubt we can get something elite on PF. We could get Collins perhaps but his defense is not good at all.


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Post#1468 » by THE J0KER » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:19 am

HORNETS: Lonzo Ball, JJ Redick, 2nd round pick CLE2021 (owned NOP)
PELICANS: G.Harris, W.Barton, C.Zeller, V.Cancar, DEN2021, CHA2021
NUGGETS: E.Bledsoe, M.Bridges, 2nd round pick NOP2021
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Post#1469 » by DaFan334 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:38 am

THE J0KER wrote:HORNETS: Lonzo Ball, JJ Redick, 2nd round pick CLE2021 (owned NOP)
PELICANS: G.Harris, W.Barton, C.Zeller, V.Cancar, DEN2021, CHA2021
NUGGETS: E.Bledsoe, M.Bridges, 2nd round pick NOP2021


Ugh... more point guards?!? I would rather stick with Gary and Will.

Here is an idea, mainly because I do like Redick and think he would be a great fit in our offense, even as he declines with age.

Nuggets get Redick and Matisse Thybulle
76ers get Barton and Bol
Pelicans get Terrance Ferguson and Shake Milton

Thybulle gets us a good defensive wing who doesn't have the same potential as Bol, but can contribute right away and fits a huge team need.

76ers turn Milton, who is putting up good numbers, I think mainly because he is playing more as they aren't very efficient into a more experienced playmaker and shooter in Barton, who can help them more in the playoffs while also getting an interesting prospect in Bol.

Pelicans get to see if Milton can be apart of their core going forward and shed salary. Bol could be moved to the Pelicans instead and the 76ers could keep Ferguson if that makes more sense value-wise for them.
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Post#1470 » by GTR11 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:59 am

Beal is on a market, hope you guys will put legit package for him before Pat snatches him away. Murray and Joker need help, porter can't even get around practice field without spending time in infirmary.
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Post#1471 » by Manolito » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:25 am

I would not trade for Beal, unless obviously MPJ is not involved. Offense is not an issue, we have already envisioned MPJ potential, and most importantly he can be under control for the next 7 years.

Harris + Bol Bol + Hampton + 2021 FRP + 2025 FRP + corresponding swaps (22 & 24) works financially and by dumping Cancar we would be under the tax, but is that enough? I don´t think so based on the last blockbuster trades
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Post#1472 » by THE J0KER » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:12 am

DaFan334 wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:HORNETS: Lonzo Ball, JJ Redick, 2nd round pick CLE2021 (owned NOP)
PELICANS: G.Harris, W.Barton, C.Zeller, V.Cancar, DEN2021, CHA2021
NUGGETS: E.Bledsoe, M.Bridges, 2nd round pick NOP2021


Ugh... more point guards?!? I would rather stick with Gary and Will.

Here is an idea, mainly because I do like Redick and think he would be a great fit in our offense, even as he declines with age.

Nuggets get Redick and Matisse Thybulle
76ers get Barton and Bol
Pelicans get Terrance Ferguson and Shake Milton

Thybulle gets us a good defensive wing who doesn't have the same potential as Bol, but can contribute right away and fits a huge team need.

76ers turn Milton, who is putting up good numbers, I think mainly because he is playing more as they aren't very efficient into a more experienced playmaker and shooter in Barton, who can help them more in the playoffs while also getting an interesting prospect in Bol.

Pelicans get to see if Milton can be apart of their core going forward and shed salary. Bol could be moved to the Pelicans instead and the 76ers could keep Ferguson if that makes more sense value-wise for them.

Bledsoe is a two-way combo guard while Miles Bridges are a good 3&D forward which still improving (23y old). The biggest risk with the eventual Harris+Barton trade is defense downgrade, but this deal will make our defense even better not just offense. The only real loss is the #40 pick instead of #25 in 2021, but we are in the "winning now" mode.

The problem with your trade idea is that Bol Bol is not available for a trade right now, but he can be replaced with 2021 first, Hampton or Nnaji. The best benefit from that deal will be we get rid of Barton. Two years ago when JJ Redick was two years younger and Denver was not so good 3pt shooting team this would be great, but now with Redick 37y age and career-worst 3p shooting, with MPJ and Green both are TOP10 in 3p% (of players playing 20+ minutes), I don't see other benefits (doubt Malone will use young Thybulle more than Bol Bol was used).

If the point is just to get rid of Barton and Malone will not use Matisse Thybulle anyway, then better try this:
Nuggets get Redick and CLE2021 2nd (owned by NOP)
76ers get Barton
Pelicans get M.Thybulle, T.Ferguson, and M.Scott

or just:
Nuggets get Redick and CLE2021 2nd (owned by NOP)
Pelicans get W.Barton

or if NOP interested to improve their LAL2021 while the Nuggets want more 2021 picks:
Nuggets get Redick, LAL2021, and CLE2021+WAS2021 2nd (all owned by NOP)
Pelicans get W.Barton, V.Cancar, and DEN2021
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Post#1473 » by skywalker33 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:46 pm

GTR11 wrote:Beal is on a market, hope you guys will put legit package for him before Pat snatches him away. Murray and Joker need help, porter can't even get around practice field without spending time in infirmary.


MPJ IS the help Joker and Murray needs, you just don't see it as much as we do. And since when is offense a problem for the Nuggets. Right now, I'm rooting for MIA to get Beal as it seems you want us to spend our assets to keep him away from MIA so your club doesn't have to face him....good luck with that !
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Post#1474 » by NuggetsWY » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:50 am

Sorry, I have been away from the internet for a while. So I'm going to make one big posting here. Feel free to separate it into pieces in your responses.
THE J0KER wrote:HORNETS: Lonzo Ball, JJ Redick, 2nd round pick CLE2021 (owned NOP)
PELICANS: G.Harris, W.Barton, C.Zeller, V.Cancar, DEN2021, CHA2021
NUGGETS: E.Bledsoe, M.Bridges, 2nd round pick NOP2021

Not a big fan of this deal, but I think I'd accept it. I would prefer to keep Harris, but I do like acquiring Bridges. On the other hand, I'd prefer to keep Barton over acquiring Bledsoe, whom I consider an even more ISO oriented player than Barton.

I suspect this trade isn't going to be welcome in New Orleans, but if they made the deal, I think they'd like it.

I see the appeal of LeMelo with Lonzo but Redick doesn't fit well with the Hornets plans, so ... maybe

DaFan334 wrote:Here is an idea, mainly because I do like Redick and think he would be a great fit in our offense, even as he declines with age.

Nuggets get Redick and Matisse Thybulle
76ers get Barton and Bol
Pelicans get Terrance Ferguson and Shake Milton

Argh! I do not like the idea of trading Bol, but have often thought he could be used to help us -and- this is a good example.

I'm a huge fan of acquiring Redick simply because I think he can teach our guards a more effective approach to playing with Jokic - as in, he'd be perfect alongside Jokic. I would love to see if Thybulle makes a solid Porter backup as a defensive specialist (his offense is not great, but ...). I think Denver should like this trade.

The Sixers would probably prefer to keep Milton over Barton, but Barton would fit well on their team. Does Bol tip the trade into acceptable? He would be just as intriguing on Embiid's team as Jokic's.

No doubt the Pelicans would like this deal. Milton might open up his game even more than he has in Philadelphia.

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GTR11 wrote:Beal is on a market, hope you guys will put legit package for him before Pat snatches him away. Murray and Joker need help, porter can't even get around practice field without spending time in infirmary.

I would not trade for Beal, unless obviously MPJ is not involved. Offense is not an issue, we have already envisioned MPJ potential, and most importantly he can be under control for the next 7 years.

Harris + Bol Bol + Hampton + 2021 FRP + 2025 FRP + corresponding swaps (22 & 24) works financially and by dumping Cancar we would be under the tax, but is that enough? I don´t think so based on the last blockbuster trades

What Manolito said! Beal may be the better player but Porter is the perfect fit for Denver - and a longer term option who still needs to prove himself.

I think Washington wants much more for Beal, but I don't think they'll get more than this. (I also would prefer to keep Hampton, but I'd still accept this deal for us.)
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GTR11 wrote:Beal is on a market, hope you guys will put legit package for him before Pat snatches him away. Murray and Joker need help, porter can't even get around practice field without spending time in infirmary.

MPJ IS the help Joker and Murray needs, you just don't see it as much as we do. And since when is offense a problem for the Nuggets. Right now, I'm rooting for MIA to get Beal as it seems you want us to spend our assets to keep him away from MIA so your club doesn't have to face him....good luck with that !

What Skywalker said about Porter and about offense.
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Post#1475 » by GTR11 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:08 am

skywalker33 wrote:
GTR11 wrote:Beal is on a market, hope you guys will put legit package for him before Pat snatches him away. Murray and Joker need help, porter can't even get around practice field without spending time in infirmary.


MPJ IS the help Joker and Murray needs, you just don't see it as much as we do. And since when is offense a problem for the Nuggets. Right now, I'm rooting for MIA to get Beal as it seems you want us to spend our assets to keep him away from MIA so your club doesn't have to face him....good luck with that !


Feel free to disagree here with me and stick to whatever you believe. I go by few rules that been said before you and me were born, (" best ability availability " scary money don't make no money " ) many times its been proven right.

If you think I'm worried about Miami or any EC team :lol: . I'm not even worried about any WC team either. We got great GM here, we just watching rest of the league.

I like Joker, check what I said few years back from my posts. I consider him top 5 as of right now.


Years from now I'll revisit those stats you through out there. My question will be, how many games did MPJ played. Feel free to bookmark my words. He's another Gallo with better stats, Blake Griffin most likely. Beal... yeah that boy availability is much better from what I can see.
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Post#1476 » by NuggetsWY » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:31 am

GTR11 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
GTR11 wrote:Beal is on a market, hope you guys will put legit package for him before Pat snatches him away. Murray and Joker need help, porter can't even get around practice field without spending time in infirmary.


MPJ IS the help Joker and Murray needs, you just don't see it as much as we do. And since when is offense a problem for the Nuggets. Right now, I'm rooting for MIA to get Beal as it seems you want us to spend our assets to keep him away from MIA so your club doesn't have to face him....good luck with that !

Feel free to disagree here with me and stick to whatever you believe. I go by few rules that been said before you and me were born, (" best ability availability " scary money don't make no money " ) many times its been proven right.

If you think I'm worried about Miami or any EC team :lol: . I'm not even worried about any WC team either. We got great GM here, we just watching rest of the league.

I like Joker, check what I said few years back from my posts. I consider him top 5 as of right now.


Years from now I'll revisit those stats you through out there. My question will be, how many games did MPJ played. Feel free to bookmark my words. He's another Gallo with better stats, Blake Griffin most likely. Beal... yeah that boy availability is much better from what I can see.

Changing the subject: all of this talk about Brooklyn having no defense - and Denver having no defense - but both being all offense ... wouldn't an NBA finals between the two be VERY interesting :eek2:
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Post#1477 » by GTR11 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:01 pm

NuggetsWY wrote:
GTR11 wrote:
skywalker33 wrote:
MPJ IS the help Joker and Murray needs, you just don't see it as much as we do. And since when is offense a problem for the Nuggets. Right now, I'm rooting for MIA to get Beal as it seems you want us to spend our assets to keep him away from MIA so your club doesn't have to face him....good luck with that !

Feel free to disagree here with me and stick to whatever you believe. I go by few rules that been said before you and me were born, (" best ability availability " scary money don't make no money " ) many times its been proven right.

If you think I'm worried about Miami or any EC team :lol: . I'm not even worried about any WC team either. We got great GM here, we just watching rest of the league.

I like Joker, check what I said few years back from my posts. I consider him top 5 as of right now.


Years from now I'll revisit those stats you through out there. My question will be, how many games did MPJ played. Feel free to bookmark my words. He's another Gallo with better stats, Blake Griffin most likely. Beal... yeah that boy availability is much better from what I can see.

Changing the subject: all of this talk about Brooklyn having no defense - and Denver having no defense - but both being all offense ... wouldn't an NBA finals between the two be VERY interesting :eek2:


Sounds like you standing up against everything NBA standing for :roll: . We big market here and ... :roll:
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Post#1478 » by GTR11 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:04 pm

To be frank. I think he's going to NOP and they got what it takes. Its just I like Joker. Thought you guys will make a case for him. One day he might ask for a trade.
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Post#1479 » by NuggetsWY » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:29 pm

GTR11 wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:
GTR11 wrote:Feel free to disagree here with me and stick to whatever you believe. I go by few rules that been said before you and me were born, (" best ability availability " scary money don't make no money " ) many times its been proven right.

If you think I'm worried about Miami or any EC team :lol: . I'm not even worried about any WC team either. We got great GM here, we just watching rest of the league.

I like Joker, check what I said few years back from my posts. I consider him top 5 as of right now.

Years from now I'll revisit those stats you through out there. My question will be, how many games did MPJ played. Feel free to bookmark my words. He's another Gallo with better stats, Blake Griffin most likely. Beal... yeah that boy availability is much better from what I can see.

Changing the subject: all of this talk about Brooklyn having no defense - and Denver having no defense - but both being all offense ... wouldn't an NBA finals between the two be VERY interesting :eek2:

Sounds like you standing up against everything NBA standing for :roll: . We big market here and ... :roll:

Well, I do live in Wyoming (still the Wild, Wild, West to many folk) and we are indeed a little contrary to the high & mighty. :cowboy:
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Post#1480 » by mirmil » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:41 pm

I know it sounds silly but what would you guys think about signing Isaac for the next season. He is in his last season of the contract. He had a bad injury, but KD even had worse one. I know a lot of players from the other sports that came back from ACL injury even stronger

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