THE J0KER wrote:If Clippers really find the way to get Lonzo Ball (using which assets??), we should target current LAC PG-starter and defensive specialist Patrick Beverley, dumping Harris with 2021FRP. But we need to find a 3rd side for that.
Intriguing idea - my first response was that we have enough PGs and that I like the idea of Monte Morris starting with Murray. But then I started to like the idea. There's no question Beverley is one of those players that you hate to play against but you love on your team. I like the attitude he brings and there's no question that even at 32 years old, he's still an outstanding defender plus he can shoot.
Even if we find a way to get Beverley, I'd like to keep Harris and bring him off the bench. Maybe if we limit his minutes, he can stay healthy. He'd be a nice defensive specialist to bring off the bench. But if he needs to be traded to make this work, I'm okay with that.
Putting some rumors together, it sounds like the Magic are going to blow it up and that the Twolves are desperate for a PF. There are also rumors that the Magic like Bol and that we reportedly were interested in Ross and Culver. I wonder if they are working on a 3 team deal?
Orlando trade Gordon, Ross, and Aminu for Rubio, Harris, Bol, Nowell, 2021 Nuggets 1st round pick, and a future Twolves 1st (2 years after the one they owe the Warriors.)
The deal gives them the chance to finish the tank while they wait for Issac and Fultz to get healthy. It gives them 2 young guys with some solid upside in Bol and Nowell to feed minutes and see what they have, they also get Rubio to run the offense with Fultz out this year and next he can be a good backup PG. They pick up a late 1st this year to go with their top lotto pick and a pick that can be good in 2-3 years or have some good value in a year.
Twolves trade Rubio, Nowell, Culver, and a future 1st round pick for Gordon and Aminu.
They get rid of Rubio who is not happy there and a couple of redundant players for a good defensive PF that fits in their offense and may help them win more than 30 games over the next couple of seasons.
Nuggets trade Harris, Bol, and the 2021 1st round pick for Ross and Culver.
With MPJ appearing to be at his best at PF and Murray and MOrris playing so well together this year, this moves the long term upside of Bol and this year's pick for a good 6th man and a higher upside SF that may develop in our system.
I think we have talked about Ross's defense and he is a solid bench scorer, so he would fit perfectly especially when Jokic leaves the court.
Culver was overdrafted, I have always thought he was picked too high, but he does have some potential as a good 4th or 5th starter type that is a good defender and can score a little bit. A year in our development program may give us a long term starter with our stars.
If you figure Murray/ MOrris/ and Campazzo are going to take 75 minutes at guard, Barton at SF 30 mpg and Ross picking up 28 mpg at SG/SF. That leaves with Hampton, Culver, and Cancar competing for about 11 mpg at SG or SF during the regular season.
The deal also allows you to move MPJ full time to PF, where he can play 30 mpg, Jokic with his 30 mpg, and you have Millsap and green taking the other 36 minutes between the 2 of them.
ONce you get to the playoffs you have a solid proven 8-9 man rotation.
The 1 issue is that is does add at least $11.5 million to the cap when MPj expires but I think this team could be a contender with this deal and some more time for the young role players to develop.
I like the idea of Ross on the Nuggets but i would not be trading Bol to get him. I still believe that Bol has serious untapped potential. He is not a trade asset. He is a boom or bust prospect. He either succeeds tremendously of completely busts out of the league. Id ride it to the end with him and hope for the best.
Putting some rumors together, it sounds like the Magic are going to blow it up and that the Twolves are desperate for a PF. There are also rumors that the Magic like Bol and that we reportedly were interested in Ross and Culver. I wonder if they are working on a 3 team deal?
Orlando trade Gordon, Ross, and Aminu for Rubio, Harris, Bol, Nowell, 2021 Nuggets 1st round pick, and a future Twolves 1st (2 years after the one they owe the Warriors.)
The deal gives them the chance to finish the tank while they wait for Issac and Fultz to get healthy. It gives them 2 young guys with some solid upside in Bol and Nowell to feed minutes and see what they have, they also get Rubio to run the offense with Fultz out this year and next he can be a good backup PG. They pick up a late 1st this year to go with their top lotto pick and a pick that can be good in 2-3 years or have some good value in a year.
Twolves trade Rubio, Nowell, Culver, and a future 1st round pick for Gordon and Aminu.
They get rid of Rubio who is not happy there and a couple of redundant players for a good defensive PF that fits in their offense and may help them win more than 30 games over the next couple of seasons.
Nuggets trade Harris, Bol, and the 2021 1st round pick for Ross and Culver.
With MPJ appearing to be at his best at PF and Murray and MOrris playing so well together this year, this moves the long term upside of Bol and this year's pick for a good 6th man and a higher upside SF that may develop in our system.
I think we have talked about Ross's defense and he is a solid bench scorer, so he would fit perfectly especially when Jokic leaves the court.
Culver was overdrafted, I have always thought he was picked too high, but he does have some potential as a good 4th or 5th starter type that is a good defender and can score a little bit. A year in our development program may give us a long term starter with our stars.
If you figure Murray/ MOrris/ and Campazzo are going to take 75 minutes at guard, Barton at SF 30 mpg and Ross picking up 28 mpg at SG/SF. That leaves with Hampton, Culver, and Cancar competing for about 11 mpg at SG or SF during the regular season.
The deal also allows you to move MPJ full time to PF, where he can play 30 mpg, Jokic with his 30 mpg, and you have Millsap and green taking the other 36 minutes between the 2 of them.
ONce you get to the playoffs you have a solid proven 8-9 man rotation.
The 1 issue is that is does add at least $11.5 million to the cap when MPj expires but I think this team could be a contender with this deal and some more time for the young role players to develop.
I like the idea of Ross on the Nuggets but i would not be trading Bol to get him. I still believe that Bol has serious untapped potential. He is not a trade asset. He is a boom or bust prospect. He either succeeds tremendously of completely busts out of the league. Id ride it to the end with him and hope for the best.
Know it’s just a matter of opinion but I haven’t seen enough from Bol to continue to wait. I agree he’s a boom-or-bust player, but for as long as he’s been a part of this team, we should have a better knowledge on which way, can’t see I’ve seen enough on court to know. And honestly, feels like Nnaji has passed him. I’d put him in a trade to get a solid player that could help us win now.
Texas Chuck wrote:I'd like to see Utah, and Denver lose
Putting some rumors together, it sounds like the Magic are going to blow it up and that the Twolves are desperate for a PF. There are also rumors that the Magic like Bol and that we reportedly were interested in Ross and Culver. I wonder if they are working on a 3 team deal?
Orlando trade Gordon, Ross, and Aminu for Rubio, Harris, Bol, Nowell, 2021 Nuggets 1st round pick, and a future Twolves 1st (2 years after the one they owe the Warriors.)
The deal gives them the chance to finish the tank while they wait for Issac and Fultz to get healthy. It gives them 2 young guys with some solid upside in Bol and Nowell to feed minutes and see what they have, they also get Rubio to run the offense with Fultz out this year and next he can be a good backup PG. They pick up a late 1st this year to go with their top lotto pick and a pick that can be good in 2-3 years or have some good value in a year.
Twolves trade Rubio, Nowell, Culver, and a future 1st round pick for Gordon and Aminu.
They get rid of Rubio who is not happy there and a couple of redundant players for a good defensive PF that fits in their offense and may help them win more than 30 games over the next couple of seasons.
Nuggets trade Harris, Bol, and the 2021 1st round pick for Ross and Culver.
With MPJ appearing to be at his best at PF and Murray and MOrris playing so well together this year, this moves the long term upside of Bol and this year's pick for a good 6th man and a higher upside SF that may develop in our system.
I think we have talked about Ross's defense and he is a solid bench scorer, so he would fit perfectly especially when Jokic leaves the court.
Culver was overdrafted, I have always thought he was picked too high, but he does have some potential as a good 4th or 5th starter type that is a good defender and can score a little bit. A year in our development program may give us a long term starter with our stars.
If you figure Murray/ MOrris/ and Campazzo are going to take 75 minutes at guard, Barton at SF 30 mpg and Ross picking up 28 mpg at SG/SF. That leaves with Hampton, Culver, and Cancar competing for about 11 mpg at SG or SF during the regular season.
The deal also allows you to move MPJ full time to PF, where he can play 30 mpg, Jokic with his 30 mpg, and you have Millsap and green taking the other 36 minutes between the 2 of them.
ONce you get to the playoffs you have a solid proven 8-9 man rotation.
The 1 issue is that is does add at least $11.5 million to the cap when MPj expires but I think this team could be a contender with this deal and some more time for the young role players to develop.
I like the idea of Ross on the Nuggets but i would not be trading Bol to get him. I still believe that Bol has serious untapped potential. He is not a trade asset. He is a boom or bust prospect. He either succeeds tremendously of completely busts out of the league. Id ride it to the end with him and hope for the best.
I agree that he is a boom or bust prospect, but I would argue he is the best trade asset we have right now.
Anybody who watched him in the bubble could see his potential, it was hard to miss, add that to the solid performance despite the minutes restrictions in the G league last year and I guarantee there are some front office guys salivating at the idea of getting their hands on him. A 20 PPG shooting high percentages from outside and he can block a ton of shots, what's not to love?
The issue is that it is obvious he is nowhere near ready to contribute to a winning team. Right now he is behind Cancar and NNaji, making him the 5th string forward. He is not going to get regular minutes this season, and will have an uphill battle to get minutes next year.
Bol is on a 2 year deal, after next season he will be a free agent. Best case scenario is he has started to fulfill his potential, but we will be maxing MPJ at that point and will likely have no cap room to re-sign Bol, meaning we can only offer the early bird exception. If he is a hit we literally will lose him just as he starts to prove it.
Teams that sale at the deadline want high upside prospects and picks that they can sell to the fan base. While I think most Nuggets fans love what Nnaji and Hampton have shown, they have yet to truly show future star potential in the NBA. Bol was the hit of the early bubble, much easier to sale a fan base on. While Cancar is a solid hustle player, nobody sees him as having more then 8th or 9th man upside. Bol's struggles this year will limit his value, but I think his upside will offset a lot of that and he will bring back better than expected value, despite what idiots that turned him into a meme think about it.
Bol - Malone would probably say, "Trust me. I'm watching him in practice." If we aren't even going to try to play him, it's time to trade him - while he still has some value. Every month he doesn't play, his value drops. Besides, players watch this stuff and no doubt many feel like Bol is being disrespected. That doesn't help Denver sign free agents.
Not trading him for Gordon is just making value gap bigger with Gordon playing like last game... Lets see what happens in next 4 days.. We should probably make 1 open roster spot for buyouts? Maybe Hartenstein and then play Millsap as backup C or Green, like in CHI game
Barton + Bol Bol + 2021 FRP was the clear offer since the beginning of the season. Although Barton's value has never been higher, but I think ORL will have better offers.
Manolito wrote:Barton + Bol Bol + 2021 FRP was the clear offer since the beginning of the season. Although Barton's value has never been higher, but I think ORL will have better offers.
NuggetsWY wrote:Bol - Malone would probably say, "Trust me. I'm watching him in practice." If we aren't even going to try to play him, it's time to trade him - while he still has some value. Every month he doesn't play, his value drops.
Nope, the last time he had some value was after the bubble / before the season started, now it doesn't matter anymore how much he sits, it reached the bottom already.
NuggetsWY wrote:Bol - Malone would probably say, "Trust me. I'm watching him in practice." If we aren't even going to try to play him, it's time to trade him - while he still has some value. Every month he doesn't play, his value drops.
Nope, the last time he had some value was after the bubble / before the season started, now it doesn't matter anymore how much he sits, it reached the bottom already.
That’s easily from a fan’s perspective. GMs keep files on many players knowing other teams stash players, have depth enough to bury players, etc. Bol is known around the league, some have good opinions, some not so good but he is known
Texas Chuck wrote:I'd like to see Utah, and Denver lose
Manolito wrote:Barton + Bol Bol + 2021 FRP was the clear offer since the beginning of the season. Although Barton's value has never been higher, but I think ORL will have better offers.
NuggetsWY wrote:Bol - Malone would probably say, "Trust me. I'm watching him in practice." If we aren't even going to try to play him, it's time to trade him - while he still has some value. Every month he doesn't play, his value drops.
Nope, the last time he had some value was after the bubble / before the season started, now it doesn't matter anymore how much he sits, it reached the bottom already.
That’s easily from a fan’s perspective. GMs keep files on many players knowing other teams stash players, have depth enough to bury players, etc. Bol is known around the league, some have good opinions, some not so good but he is known
Doesn't really change the point - if he is known then in that case too it doesn't matter if he sits.
Manolito wrote:Barton + Bol Bol + 2021 FRP was the clear offer since the beginning of the season. Although Barton's value has never been higher, but I think ORL will have better offers.
Richard Miller wrote: Nope, the last time he had some value was after the bubble / before the season started, now it doesn't matter anymore how much he sits, it reached the bottom already.
That’s easily from a fan’s perspective. GMs keep files on many players knowing other teams stash players, have depth enough to bury players, etc. Bol is known around the league, some have good opinions, some not so good but he is known
Doesn't really change the point - if he is known then in that case too it doesn't matter if he sits.
My point is he hasn’t necessarily lost any value just because he’s sitting, especially given our depth in front of him and who our coach is
Texas Chuck wrote:I'd like to see Utah, and Denver lose
Manolito wrote: You can make a case for POR, but if Trent is involved, their proposal is clearly better.
Trent has already turned down a $10MM a year salary, does a 15ppg player warrant that or do you think he'll play for a team like ORL ?? Did he turn it down because he wants to be a starter, not playing behind CJ, that could be why he turned it down, or does he want more $$ ?? And your trade offer wasn't for Trent, is he even being offered ??
Manolito wrote:Barton is worse than Beasley, Oubre, Hood (bc expiring) and a 18M TPE, and does not fit ORL timeplan.
BArton worse than Hood OR Oubre ??? That's laughable !! Hood is avg 5ppg and Oubre is terrible this year and an expiring..
Manolito wrote:Bol Bol has not shown anything special and plays same position as Isaac.
Disagree about Bol not showing anything, he definitely was a highlight in the bubble, clearly showed why we drafted him. Isaac would start ahead of Bol IF HEALTHY (which isn't a common occurance so far) but Bol, could be a strong asset off the bench. If you can't see that, then you don't see what I and some scouts see (I reference NBA_Central rumors that say Bol was a centerpiece of the projected Trade).
Texas Chuck wrote:I'd like to see Utah, and Denver lose
I hope we dont trade for Gordon. I know everybody thinks he is a good defender because he jumps high and has size but i seriously doubt that he is better than average. He lacks length to bother bigs, protect the paint or help on drives and isnt that quick enough to contain guards reliably. Has poor game awareness and anticipation for team defense. As much as the defensive metrics are flawed none of them paints him as a good defender.
On offense he is nothing special. Sure we might get some nice dunks and finishes but that is not what wins games. He is not a good shooter or shot creator and is known to take dumb shots.
If we trade for him we will have to play him and extend him. It would be a suicide move IMO.
Id much rather have a team oriented, hustle guy like LArry Nance JR.
Manolito wrote:Barton + Bol Bol + 2021 FRP was the clear offer since the beginning of the season. Although Barton's value has never been higher, but I think ORL will have better offers.
Oubre and Hood are better than Barton? By the way most people expect Barton to opt out of his deal, making him essentially an expiring. But yet you think Oubre or Hood or a TPE have more value than a guy that is a quality starter paid less than $15 million a year? I know Barton is nto a great fit on our roster, but to act like he is some terrible player is a joke.
By the Way the Twolves refused to put Beasley in a deal for Collins who is a considerably better player than Gordon, doubt they would trade him for anybody on the Magic at this point.
I guess you missed Bol tearing up the bubble games? I guarantee the NBA gms and staffs didn't and Bol was great in the games he played.
Alatan wrote:I hope we dont trade for Gordon. I know everybody thinks he is a good defender because he jumps high and has size but i seriously doubt that he is better than average. He lacks length to bother bigs, protect the paint or help on drives and isnt that quick enough to contain guards reliably. Has poor game awareness and anticipation for team defense. As much as the defensive metrics are flawed none of them paints him as a good defender.
On offense he is nothing special. Sure we might get some nice dunks and finishes but that is not what wins games. He is not a good shooter or shot creator and is known to take dumb shots.
If we trade for him we will have to play him and extend him. It would be a suicide move IMO.
Id much rather have a team oriented, hustle guy like LArry Nance JR.
Mickey8 wrote:I think the same of him and his basketball iq is a lot to desire for.
I agree with you guys, but it is hard to miss the rumors. I am hoping it is our front office trying to get someone to lower the price on a different forward, or that it is the Magic trying to drive up the price of Gordon. We will see this week what happens.
Gordon reportedly has requested a trade from the Magic, their rumored asking price is stupidly high (2 good picks and a good young player) but it will have to come down when they get no takers at it.
I cannot figure out why we reportedly have never had interest in Bogdanovic, but even at that price tag he is a solid fit at SG and can create for himself when Jokic is on the bench.
The Hawks reportedly want to save money for next season in their pursuit of getting Lonzo Ball and to re-sign Collins.
I would easily trade Bol for Reddish, while they both have good upside they are project players, the big difference is that Reddish is a SF and already a good defender. I could see him playing a solid 15-18 mpg off the bench as we develop him.
He'd be a nice defensive specialist to bring off the bench. But if he needs to be traded to make this work, I'm okay with that.
