Nuggets Trades

[psimanic1]

Barton, Bol for Bogdanovic, Reddish

[The Rebel]

For those that do not know who Smith is, he is/was a poster on the Celtics board and is a huge Celtics fan that has been a reporter for Realgm among other freelance work but he does get some information and usually has some truth to what he is saying. Personally I think this is the Celtics leaking this information to try to drive down the price on Magic players while at the same time giving Ainge an excuse when he cannot pull off a deal.

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It is kind of odd, all the 1st round picks that the Celtics have had over the last few years and there are really only 4 or 5 guys on that roster that have any value at all and Ainge is starting to turn into a caricature of himself with the whole we tried thing while bitching about the costs. I just think nobody wants what he is selling.

[The Rebel]

Barton, Bol for Bogdanovic, Reddish

I don't think the money would work with Bogdanovic's trade kicker, but I would even throw in a couple of future 2nd to make that work.

[psimanic1]

Report: Aaron Gordon wants to play for winning team in large market with ‘plenty of branding opportunities’

[The Rebel]

Report: Aaron Gordon wants to play for winning team in large market with ‘plenty of branding opportunities’

So the Knicks? Guess he is after money and fame, makes me want him even less now.

[The Rebel]

Rumor is out there that the Hawks are wanting to dump Bogdanovic in Collins deal. If we could get Collins, Bogdanovic, and Reddish for Barton, Millsap, Bol, Nnaji, and a pick I would be thrilled.

[Richard Miller]

I cannot figure out why we reportedly have never had interest in Bogdanovic, but even at that price tag he is a solid fit at SG and can create for himself when Jokic is on the bench.

Injury prone and his defense is so-so at best and he needs the ball a lot, in a way he's like another Barton, when his shot is falling in he can look like the best player in the world, but when he's bricking then it's like wtf is he doing If his health history were more reliable could be worth a risk, however could easily be 72 mil to sit on the bench.

[The Rebel]

I cannot figure out why we reportedly have never had interest in Bogdanovic, but even at that price tag he is a solid fit at SG and can create for himself when Jokic is on the bench.

Injury prone and his defense is so-so at best and he needs the ball a lot, in a way he's like another Barton, when his shot is falling in he can look like the best player in the world, but when he's bricking then it's like wtf is he doing If his health history were more reliable could be worth a risk, however could easily be 72 mil to sit on the bench.

While I think those are fair criticisms and the money is an issue with this big contract, I have always thought he would make a great scorer off the bench and he never seemed to mind coming off the bench before. My biggest issue with Barton is that he is over played and refuses to come off the bench.

As I said above I would trade Barton and Bol for him and Reddish despite the money, with the plan that Bogdanovic becomes our 6th man and Reddish plays behind Dozier at SF.

[Richard Miller]

While I think those are fair criticisms and the money is an issue with this big contract, I have always thought he would make a great scorer off the bench and he never seemed to mind coming off the bench before. My biggest issue with Barton is that he is over played and refuses to come off the bench.

As I said above I would trade Barton and Bol for him and Reddish despite the money, with the plan that Bogdanovic becomes our 6th man and Reddish plays behind Dozier at SF.

That is true, however that is a lot of money for someone to come off the bench, it might work, but I guess there is a reason why teams generally don't pay that kind of money to bench players

[psimanic1]

Barton refuses to come of the bench probably because he wants to decline his PO and get huge money for last time.. Thats why I would trade him now, he doesnt care if we win as long as he gets his

[skywalker33]

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Well, if those are ORL's expectations, I see them pricing themselves out of the 2021 trade market. Those are ALL rediculous IMO.

I might do Barton and Bol for Gordon and MCW or 2021 2nd, but that just me.

[skywalker33]

Thinking about Gordon, he came into the league with such promise yet never seemed to reach near his potential IMO. Do you think this is because ORL is poor on the development process or that Gordon has underachieved ?? Could we get more out of AG than ORL has so far ?

[Mickey8]

To me he was always the poor man Blake Griffin, similar type of a player , great jumping ability, not that tall and long , but he didn't posses offensive skills Blake Griffin had, even at Arizona he was an average scorer with not that high basketball iq . I don't know how can he improve Denver Nuggets, I saw some posts about him having success guarding elite wing players, I don't watch much of Orlando Magic basketball, so I don't know how much of that is him , playing good one on one defense.

[psimanic1]

If he can play 3/4 with MPJ for 1.5seasons that should be enough for us to get Nnaji on next level and he can then replace Gordon, we can atleast hope, but price shouldnt go over Barton, Bol and picks of some kind.. If we can also get Ross, it would be nice to have him as 6th man/starter when Garry is injured or just 6th man if we only get Ball somehow.. But Ball could ask for Garry type of money..

[THE J0KER]

Risking to be once again the most hated person in the "Trades Ideas" thread, I will insist once again that point of good proposes are not to beat the other side(s) involved in the deal, but to give them what they want and need more than what they going to lose. Otherwise, our trade offers are simply not realistic, so who cares if we improve notably after such an eventual deal if that deal will never happen in reality anyway?

Atlanta has zero interest in Nuggets available players unless we are going to unlock their franchise player Trae Young best buddy Porter. So realistic Denver-Atlanta blockbuster trade can be something like this:

ATLANTA: M.Porter, G.Harris, P.Millsap, RJ Hampton, Bol Bol
DENVER: J.Collins, D.Hunter, B.Bogdanovic, K.Huerter, T.Snell, S.Hill

If we want a new two-way guard starter with Harris level defense but much more useful in the offense it can be something like this:

BOSTON: N.Vucevic
ORLANDO: G.Harris, T.Thompson, R.Williams, RJ Hampton, Bol Bol, DEN2021, BOS2021, BOS2023
DENVER: M.Smart, T.Ross, ORL-2nd

If we believe in Porter-Gordon forwards duo:

ORLANDO: J.Lamb, G.Harris, Bol Bol, IND2021, DEN2021
INDIANA: W.Barton, RJ Hampton, ORL-2nd
DENVER: A.Gordon, E.Fournier, G.Bitadze

[Richard Miller]

so who cares if we improve notably after such an eventual deal if that deal will never happen in reality anyway?

What's the point of that Atlanta trade then? 0% chance of happening

[DaFan334]

Hoops Hype's Yossi Gozlan posted this trade as an idea between the Nuggets and Orlando:

Trade idea: Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier for Gary Harris, Paul Millsap, RJ Hampton, Bol Bol, Denver’s 2021 first-round pick (top 10 protected), and Denver’s 2026 first-round pick swap

I think this would be worth taking if Orlando agreed. At least the swap is just a swap and we also get Fournier who could be good as a starter or sliding Barton to the bench in the postseason (he would have to deal with it). Losing Hampton and Bol hurts, but we also get out of Gary's contract and could consider resigning Fournier or have some options in the offseason with his new contract.

[Nyce_1]

Thinking about Gordon, he came into the league with such promise yet never seemed to reach near his potential IMO. Do you think this is because ORL is poor on the development process or that Gordon has underachieved ?? Could we get more out of AG than ORL has so far ?

The first 4 years were riddled with injuries, poor coaching, and poor development. The next 2 were good but he thinks he should be Paul George when he's best suited as a Draymond Green-type Swiss army player. This year was just riddled with injuries, to him and any good player around him (except Vucevic). If anyone can get him to tweak his mindset of being a glue guy, he'll be an all star. He seemed to figure it out this year but....injuries. being decimated forced us to rely more on him than what he's efficiently capable of. As a defined 3rd banana, he'll be phenomenal.

[NuggetsWY]

I've been off-line for about 12 hours or so -and- I come back to a flurry of Trades posts.
Can I rival Joker's attempt to be 'the most hated person in the "Trades Ideas" thread'?

Risking to be once again the most hated person in the "Trades Ideas" thread, I will insist once again that point of good proposes are not to beat the other side(s) involved in the deal, but to give them what they want and need more than what they going to lose. Otherwise, our trade offers are simply not realistic, so who cares if we improve notably after such an eventual deal if that deal will never happen in reality anyway?

I'm not convinced the Nuggets are going to actually make any trade before the deadline; much less anything significant.

Atlanta has zero interest in Nuggets available players unless we are going to unlock their franchise player Trae Young best buddy Porter. So realistic Denver-Atlanta blockbuster trade can be something like this:

ATLANTA: M.Porter, G.Harris, P.Millsap, RJ Hampton, Bol Bol
DENVER: J.Collins, D.Hunter, B.Bogdanovic, K.Huerter, T.Snell, S.Hill

I absolutely hate the idea of trading Porter - period. Adding in Hampton is even worse. Plus Bol? (Well, I'm okay with trading him but adding him to Porter and Hampton seems like a whole lot.

Millsap has to agree, but Atlanta is one team he might agree to a trade, since that's his home.
Getting back Collins would be nice. I like him next to Jokic - but not as much as Porter.
Getting back Hunter & Huerter & Snell & Hill brings us four wings, two young and two 29-30 years old. Swapping Harris & Hampton isn't ideal. Adding Millsap & Bol won't hurt too much.

It's one way to get Collins, but I'd rather keep Porter. I think Denver is over-paying, but not by a lot.

If we want a new two-way guard starter with Harris level defense but much more useful in the offense it can be something like this:

BOSTON: N.Vucevic
ORLANDO: G.Harris, T.Thompson, R.Williams, RJ Hampton, Bol Bol, DEN2021, BOS2021, BOS2023
DENVER: M.Smart, T.Ross, ORL-2nd

Boston should say yes - my opinion. But Ainge likes to keep his draft picks, so ...

Orlando should consider - but it wouldn't surprise me to hear them say yes or say no. Vucevic is the best player in this deal and trading the best can be a gamble. But they are getting quite a bit back.

Denver has to consider this. It's a win-now move. Smart & Ross bring some solid experience and should be around for a few years. I sort of like this deal - but not a huge fan.

If we believe in Porter-Gordon forwards duo:

ORLANDO: J.Lamb, G.Harris, Bol Bol, IND2021, DEN2021
INDIANA: W.Barton, RJ Hampton, ORL-2nd
DENVER: A.Gordon, E.Fournier, G.Bitadze

Porter-Gordon with Nnaji in a little while; nice thought (although I'm not a big fan of Gordon). I like Fournier but he's a rental. I'm not convinced Bitadze is an NBA center, but a year or two on Malone's bench and we can let coach decide.

I'm not sure Orlando feels like they are getting as much value out of Gordon as they want - unless they really want those draft picks and/or Bol.

Indiana probably gets the best deal out of this trade IMO. But it seems mostly a lateral trade, so I'm not sure what their motive would be. Barton for now? Hampton for the future? They might say yes.

[The Rebel]

Hoops Hype's Yossi Gozlan posted this trade as an idea between the Nuggets and Orlando:

Trade idea: Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier for Gary Harris, Paul Millsap, RJ Hampton, Bol Bol, Denver’s 2021 first-round pick (top 10 protected), and Denver’s 2026 first-round pick swap

I think this would be worth taking if Orlando agreed. At least the swap is just a swap and we also get Fournier who could be good as a starter or sliding Barton to the bench in the postseason (he would have to deal with it). Losing Hampton and Bol hurts, but we also get out of Gary's contract and could consider resigning Fournier or have some options in the offseason with his new contract.

I don't think this is a deal that is worth it. While he has improved in his time in Orlando the entire reason we traded Fournier was the he was only effective with the ball in his hands a considerable amount of time, making him a 6th man at best in our offense.

I cannot force myself to believe that Gordon is suddenly going to change, especially with the rumors that he wants a contender in a big market that he can market his brand, to me along with his choosing his college based on what position he played and forcing the Magic to play him at SF scream a knock off Melo to me. While he may be a better defender, he is not nearly the overall player that Melo was.

I personally am not giving up 2 prospects and 2 picks for those 2 guys. We need to be looking for guys who are willing to accept their role and want to win more than they worry about their brand.