Nuggets Trades

[THE J0KER]

The thing I cannot understand is this fascination with Covington. He is an upgrade, but is he enough of an upgrade over Grant to justify losing a young talent or two to get him? I don't see it.

There is many (much) better than Covington in NBA, of course, but how many of them are Small Forwards (the only position we have starter problem right now), and how many of these Small Forwards are available right now for trades (he is)? Add to that fact that Covington is under team-friendly contract (just 10M per season), and his 3&D profile guaranteed a good fit for Denver current system. If no "injury-prone" flag, Covington would be for the 2019-20 Nuggets almost perfect target for trade.

[NuggetsWY]

The thing I cannot understand is this fascination with Covington. He is an upgrade, but is he enough of an upgrade over Grant to justify losing a young talent or two to get him? I don't see it.

There is many (much) better than Covington in NBA, of course, but how many of them are Small Forwards (the only position we have starter problem right now), and how many of these Small Forwards are available right now for trades (he is)? Add to that fact that Covington is under team-friendly contract (just 10M per season), and his 3&D profile guaranteed a good fit for Denver current system. If no "injury-prone" flag, Covington would be for the 2019-20 Nuggets almost perfect target for trade.

I love Covington's game and his attitude - his team first orientation. Fascination? Sure, but ...
... if you compare Grant to Covington, they look very similar both in stats and the eye-test. Then compare the physical stats of Porter jr & Vanderbilt and they too are similar. I'm willing to gamble that two out of the three we already have will be more than adequate - oh yeah, they all three have the same attitude as Covington.

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Grant     - 6'9" - wingspan 7'3" - 220 lbs - FG 50% - 3pt 40% - Reb 4
Covington - 6'9" - wingspan 7'2" - 225 lbs - FG 43% - 3pt 38% - Reb 6
Porter jr - 6'10"- wingspan 7'0" - 210 lbs
Vanderbilt- 6'9" - wingspan 7'1" - 214 lbs

That said, if we could get Covington, I wouldn't mind.

[skywalker33]

In media day yesterday, I found it interesting MPJ noting that with all the talented scorers on this team, he was looking to focus more on the defensive end of the court. Has been told he has the potential to become an elite defender. If that’s his biggest focus this year, I am STOKED !!

[THE J0KER]

Spoiler:

The thing I cannot understand is this fascination with Covington. He is an upgrade, but is he enough of an upgrade over Grant to justify losing a young talent or two to get him? I don't see it.

There is many (much) better than Covington in NBA, of course, but how many of them are Small Forwards (the only position we have starter problem right now), and how many of these Small Forwards are available right now for trades (he is)? Add to that fact that Covington is under team-friendly contract (just 10M per season), and his 3&D profile guaranteed a good fit for Denver current system. If no "injury-prone" flag, Covington would be for the 2019-20 Nuggets almost perfect target for trade.

I love Covington's game and his attitude - his team first orientation. Fascination? Sure, but ...
... if you compare Grant to Covington, they look very similar both in stats and the eye-test. Then compare the physical stats of Porter jr & Vanderbilt and they too are similar. I'm willing to gamble that two out of the three we already have will be more than adequate - oh yeah, they all three have the same attitude as Covington.

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Grant     - 6'9" - wingspan 7'3" - 220 lbs - FG 50% - 3pt 40% - Reb 4
Covington - 6'9" - wingspan 7'2" - 225 lbs - FG 43% - 3pt 38% - Reb 6
Porter jr - 6'10"- wingspan 7'0" - 210 lbs
Vanderbilt- 6'9" - wingspan 7'1" - 214 lbs

That said, if we could get Covington, I wouldn't mind.

Be careful with this 3pt stats, because 39% in Grant case coming from open shots and "vulture" strategy, while Covington is proven 38% 3pt shooter. Covington's career average is 2.3 threes per game (6 seasons, 2.4+ per game 4 times including last season), while Grant for the first time last season scored more than one 3pt per game (1.4). So, Covington is actually clearly better 3pt shooter (if not specialist) than Grant, despite similar percentages last season.

[TunaFish]

Covington had surgery on his knee in April. He is being brought along slowly. Not sure how this would impact any trade suggestions here but I would suggest caution.

[NuggetsWY]

Covington had surgery on his knee in April. He is being brought along slowly. Not sure how this would impact any trade suggestions here but I would suggest caution.

That's okay, a lot of the trades involving Nuggets started with:
Barton was injured last year ...
Hernangomez has a history of injury ...
Harris has trouble staying on the court ...
Bol hasn't played since ...
Porter hasn't played since ...
Millsap's getting old and has missed some games ...

[TunaFish]

Covington had surgery on his knee in April. He is being brought along slowly. Not sure how this would impact any trade suggestions here but I would suggest caution.

That's okay, a lot of the trades involving Nuggets started with:
Barton was injured last year ...
Hernangomez has a history of injury ...
Harris has trouble staying on the court ...
Bol hasn't played since ...
Porter hasn't played since ...
Millsap's getting old and has missed some games ...

And I think not one of those guys had surgery on a knee. That's a different animal entirely.

[NuggetsWY]

Covington had surgery on his knee in April. He is being brought along slowly. Not sure how this would impact any trade suggestions here but I would suggest caution.

That's okay, a lot of the trades involving Nuggets started with:
Barton was injured last year ...
Hernangomez has a history of injury ...
Harris has trouble staying on the court ...
Bol hasn't played since ...
Porter hasn't played since ...
Millsap's getting old and has missed some games ...

And I think not one of those guys had surgery on a knee. That's a different animal entirely.

Not the way some of the TnT people look at it.
Barton - groin muscle
Hernangomez - core muscle
Harris - hip --- almost as bad as a knee
Bol - ankle - since Bill Walton, this one scares people
Porter - back - worse than a knee
Millsap - toe & wrist over last 2 years

[THE J0KER]

Kings offer Hield 90/4 but he wants 110/4. Should our FO call Divac to accept 110/4 deal and trade him for Harris, Juancho, Plumlee?

Murray-Hield-MPJ is potentially league-best shooting trio.

[Manolito]

Investing 110M in a regular player who is only elite at shooting?? No way!!!

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[skywalker33]

Kings offer Hield 90/4 but he wants 110/4. Should our FO call Divac to accept 110/4 deal and trade him for Harris, Juancho, Plumlee?

Murray-Hield-MPJ is potentially league-best shooting trio.

Well, for what Hield adds on the offensive end he detracts on the defensive end as well as skews the financial piece considering the expiring cap space of Plumlee. I am making the assumption Harris will get back to the 2017-18 form of scoring, but since when has scoring been an issue with the Jokic offense...leading to lessen the need for this (or the Beal ?) trade.

[THE J0KER]

Kings offer Hield 90/4 but he wants 110/4. Should our FO call Divac to accept 110/4 deal and trade him for Harris, Juancho, Plumlee?

Murray-Hield-MPJ is potentially league-best shooting trio.

Well, for what Hield adds on the offensive end he detracts on the defensive end as well as skews the financial piece considering the expiring cap space of Plumlee. I am making the assumption Harris will get back to the 2017-18 form of scoring, but since when has scoring been an issue with the Jokic offense...leading to lessen the need for this (or the Beal ?) trade.

It is not just better shooting, but better efficiency. GSW killing opponents with Curry-Klay-Durant, not just with PPG but TS% even more. In two and half seasons in Sacramento Hield TS% is 58% with especially impressive 43% for three which he scoring without big shoot selection, so he scored 3.4 per game last season. He is literally the only ones with Splash Brothers last season with 40%+ 3pt% and 3+ 3ptPG.

BTW, talking about Kings I hate seeing "Kings Already Showing Remorse Over Harrison Barnes' Four-Year, $88M Deal" title. Maybe previous Barton and Plumlee deals where we overpaid role players is a reason why Beasley deal is still not done.

[mbucks007]

Hello Denver Fans! See you in the Finals this Spring. Sorry for intruding, but I have a trade idea for you that I believe makes your team better. What are your thoughts?

Denver gets Eric Bledsoe 15.6M per season
Oklahoma gets Garry Harris, DJ Wilson 17.9M & 3.0M
Milwaukee gets Danilo Gallanari 22.6M

Here is why I think this helps you guys. I think Jamal will perform at a much higher level at SG. Less wear on him during games and through the season. Bledsoe is a good defender and has a nose to get to the basket. Garry Harris is good when he is healthy, but that only seams to be just over 1/2 of the season. I think this move puts you in the Finals and I think it helps my Bucks. What do you think?

[NuggetsWY]

Hello Denver Fans! See you in the Finals this Spring. Sorry for intruding, but I have a trade idea for you that I believe makes your team better. What are your thoughts?

Denver gets Eric Bledsoe 15.6M per season
Oklahoma gets Garry Harris, DJ Wilson 17.9M & 3.0M
Milwaukee gets Danilo Gallanari 22.6M

Here is why I think this helps you guys. I think Jamal will perform at a much higher level at SG. Less wear on him during games and through the season. Bledsoe is a good defender and has a nose to get to the basket. Garry Harris is good when he is healthy, but that only seams to be just over 1/2 of the season. I think this move puts you in the Finals and I think it helps my Bucks. What do you think?

Thanks for visiting - especially with a reasonable offer. Unfortunately, I'm not as big a fan of this as many outside of Denver would believe.

I think Gallinari is a good target for Milwaukee. He'd fit well in your offense and he's never gotten enough credit for his defense. He's not a stopper, but he's not terrible either (when he puts his mind to it - he likes a challenge at key points in the game).

Harris might be welcome in Oklahoma City and they'll probably like Wilson; so they might like this.

The problem will be Denver. Bledsoe is best with the ball in his hands and Denver's offense is structure around Jokic having the ball in his hands. Harris is the ideal SG to play with Jokic-Murray and even if Porter becomes the third option, Harris will still fit quite nicely (if he can stay healthy). Statistically, Bledsoe & Murray look close as PGs but the modern PG is a shooter and Murray is the perfect fit a PG. This deal might work but I just don't believe Denver will give it a chance.

[The Rebel]

Hello Denver Fans! See you in the Finals this Spring. Sorry for intruding, but I have a trade idea for you that I believe makes your team better. What are your thoughts?

Denver gets Eric Bledsoe 15.6M per season
Oklahoma gets Garry Harris, DJ Wilson 17.9M & 3.0M
Milwaukee gets Danilo Gallanari 22.6M

Here is why I think this helps you guys. I think Jamal will perform at a much higher level at SG. Less wear on him during games and through the season. Bledsoe is a good defender and has a nose to get to the basket. Garry Harris is good when he is healthy, but that only seams to be just over 1/2 of the season. I think this move puts you in the Finals and I think it helps my Bucks. What do you think?

I think Bledsoe is a terrible fit, he is a marginal outside shooter that is at his best with the ball in his hands. That does not work with out current offense where we need a guy that can play on or off the ball. I also think you tremendously underrate what Jamal Murray brings to our offense (I wish you were the only one but it is widespread so I can understand why you don't know). While on the court with Jokic Murray will set back and side screens, which are key in getting cutters open going to the rim for Jokic to pass too. He is one of the few guards in the league who actually know how to effectively set a screen, and he has range past the 3 point line so someone ends up wide open going to the rim or he ends up with a big trying to guard him on the perimeter which is a disaster for opposing teams.


He is also the secondary ball handler. When Jokic is off the court than Murray will often play as a traditional PG, and our offense is still effective. While he is not a good defender, people using the playoffs as their only gauge is a joke. Especially since people who didn't watch the games are the ones spouting the most crap about his defense. IN the 1st round he was doubling off of White every single play, and was in the post helping on Aldridge with Jokic or Plumlee, after the Nuggets figured out that they had to guard White Murray was guarding Forbes and Mills, who had a decent series but were not exactly killing it. In Portland he was guarding Harkless and Hood, Hood ate him up, but there are not many point guards that can guard someone 4 inches and 40 lbs bigger than him.

Also Bledose is a good perimeter defender, Harris was top 5 in shooting percentage allowed and is a great defender. Harris is a key part in our defense being 1st in the league against the 3. Trading him for Bledsoe who is likely to end up a bad contract in a couple of years is not even on the table as far as I am concerned.

[The Rebel]

The Bulls seem to want to build around Markennen and Lavine, with Lavine being the SG. They have Satoransky as their starting PG after an open competition between he, Dunn, and Arcidiancono. The also want to compete soon, so maybe we can make a deal with them?

Trade Millsap, Barton, Juancho, and Morris for Otto Porter JR, Arcidiacono, Hutchison, and a future 2nd.


The Bulls get a downgrade on O. Porter JR, but they add a veteran power forward to rotate with Carter Jr and Markennen, they get an iso scorer off the bench which they really need, and they add a starting quality PG who can develop into more.


For the Nuggets we get Otto Porter JR, he is exactly what we need at SF, he can play on or off the ball and he is a very good defender.

While losing Millsap will hurt, OPJ is actually an all defensive team quality defender who plays well at both SF and PF. With Grant and MPJ that could work into having 3 starting quality forwards that can be our entire playoff rotation potentially. They all can shoot, both Porter JRs can create well for themselves, and 2 are top quality defenders with the 3rd having that potential.

Arcidiancono is more of a scoring PG, but we need that when Jokic and murray are off the court. He is also a downgrade on Morris but we have to give up something. He would be fine this year with MPJ, Vanderbilt or Cancar, Beasley, and Plumlee on the court. Especially when we get to the playoffs and 2 of MPJ, OPJ, and Grant are on the court at all times.

Hutchison is currently a downgrade on Juancho as well, but he is a longer term project that should work into a decent role player in a year or two. He is not ready to be a rotation guy, but he can develop into a solid bench scorer in a year or two.

The starters would then be Murray/Harris/ OPJ/ Grant/Jokic which would be an very good defensive team with a lot of open space on the floor and good off ball movement. I think that would move us to contender if Murray improves or Harris goes back to how he started last season.

[TunaFish]

I think the Bulls may want to hang on to Otto Porter. So, I am not sure what it would take but not anything close to that package.

On the other side, both Beasley and Hernangomez will be restricted free agents. I think they will look to move Hernangomez soon. To whom, would be a shot in the dark.

If there is one thing about Juancho, its that he can shoot and that's always in demand. So can Otto Porter. The difference is that Otto Porter has carved out playing time and the same can not be said about Juancho. That's the big if, going into the season. Do they play Hernangomez or MPJ?

[Andrew McCeltic]

How high will you guys go on an offer for Gordon Hayward after he’s put together a couple months of healthy Utah-caliber basketball?

[skywalker33]

How high will you guys go on an offer for Gordon Hayward after he’s put together a couple months of healthy Utah-caliber basketball?

Well, first I can see your confidence that Hayward will return to his old self, I am still not so sure of that. Secondly, we're looking at our own cap solutions/issues ahead, trading for Hayward would just convolute that even more. Lastly, from a more personal level I wouldn't want to do a lot to help out the Celtics and I feel we're already on our own decent path, why screw it up.

[NuggetsWY]

How high will you guys go on an offer for Gordon Hayward after he’s put together a couple months of healthy Utah-caliber basketball?

Well, first I can see your confidence that Hayward will return to his old self, I am still not so sure of that. Secondly, we're looking at our own cap solutions/issues ahead, trading for Hayward would just convolute that even more. Lastly, from a more personal level I wouldn't want to do a lot to help out the Celtics and I feel we're already on our own decent path, why screw it up.

I like Hayward's game and think he'd fit well in Denver - but, and this is a huge but, for Denver it's less about how Hayward is doing and more about how Denver's forward rotation is working out.

We know about Millsap & Barton & Craig - but they aren't our future. Although Craig would make a fine bench stopper. We surely could use three solid forwards and we'll be watching the rest of our forwards.

If Grant, Vanderbilt, Cancar, Hernangomez, Porter can provide at least two solid forwards, we're probably not going to pay much for Hayward because as Skywalker points out, Hayward brings cap issues which we're already going to be facing anyway. He'd just make it worse. Of course if none of those can develop into what we are looking for, we probably won't have much Boston would want in trade - at least nothing we'd be willing to give up.