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Post#221 » by The Rebel » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:48 pm

pickaxe wrote:I guess that's pretty much a theme with me and proposed trades: does what we give up basically relinquish any chemistry and momentum we've built up.....does it revert back to pre-Melo mediocrity?

I'd just like to ride out this mojo wave as long as possible so long as we can still make smaller trades and improve.

Yes, we do need to leap into the unknown when we rebuild a team, and yes we need to have faith but that was a long-ass road this team has walked down to get to the status it holds today. Long-ass road. Instantly better does not always mean makes it to playoffs.

This currently built team not only had youth and talent: it had a mission to best the players they were traded for and fulfill crazy expectations. The players that left for the Knicks were at an elite level in the sense of consecutive playoff 'visits' and always getting 48+ wins each of those times.

Players that replace these players currently on the roster will not have that same mission to better who they replace. The ones on this roster almost NEED to accomplish something before the trade desk goes wild.

You see JR......he had pretty good success when on that confidence train in Denver. Even Karl himself enjoyed greater success as a coach than he would have had with Milwaukee.

It's a certain unsaid thing.....but mojo can build up due to a number of unrepeatable circumstances, and it can die thinking it's just automatic by plugging new players in there. Love is wonderful but what are we talking about?:

Nate/Foye/Chandler/Love/McGee ???

Just don't see it.


I agree I would not trade Gallo or Lawson for him, I would also do my best to hold onto Mozgov, but I would trade Chandler, faried, and a combination of bench guys and picks. Personally I believe that Lawson and when healthy gallinari are each better than any player outside of Love on the Twolves.

While giving up Faried and Chandler with the picks does not look like a huge offer, the fact is I look at the package that the Jazz got for Williams, and think it is pretty comparable. while Faried does not have the upside that it was believed Favors had at the time, he is a very productive young big, Chandler is enough to make up that difference. Maybe you add in Hamilton to make up the difference between the Nets pick that year and the better of the Nuggets/Knicks pick this year. Add in the 2016 pick which has the option to swap with the Knicks a year after all their contracts expire, give them Miller and Randolph while taking back someone like Brewer or Budinger and you have a comparable if not slightly better package than what the jazz got for Williams. Is it enough?

that would leave a roster of
Lawson/ Robinson
Foye/ Fournier
(gallo)/ Budinger/ Q. Miller
Love/ Hickson/ Arthur
mozgov/ McGee/ Arthur

Give the team the rest of this year, even if they take a step back than you are okay, as you want gallo to get back as close to healthy as he will be, and than make your run next year.

the only reason I do it, is that I think that Love is actually the perfect fit for the Nuggets when all are healthy. he can go into the post and has outside range but is not a guy who needs the ball in his hands constantly, giving Lawson and Gallo the opportunity to create for him and still get their shots. Defense would be a problem at PF but no worse than it is now with Hickson and faried playing so many minutes.

Next summer you sign a 3rd PG and a 3rd center and you should be a damn good team.
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Post#222 » by eathb_au » Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:19 pm

I am also in the get Love train. His skillset is actually a perfect compliment to allow McGee to start.

Also I feel that Ty's prime is kinda being wasted right now with an average roster. Would be a good time to pair him with a legitimate star since he didn't really get that chance with Melo.
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Post#223 » by 83SixersRocked » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:30 pm

I'm all for the underdog, and while it looked like JR 'got it' (finally) with a nice run to 6th Man of the Year, he's reverted to knucklehead. He said a big reason for his improvement was that he stopped partying/all that goes with it. He must have fallen off the party wagon.

Switching topics, a m I the only one that thinks the NBA is having a meh year? There are only a few teams I want to watch, and only when they're playing each other (ie POR/IND). The novelty of OKC/HOU hasn't worn off yet for me, but it's slim pickin's this year (IMO).
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Post#224 » by nomansland » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:37 pm

83SixersRocked wrote:I'm all for the underdog, and while it looked like JR 'got it' (finally) with a nice run to 6th Man of the Year, he's reverted to knucklehead. He said a big reason for his improvement was that he stopped partying/all that goes with it. He must have fallen off the party wagon.

Switching topics, a m I the only one that thinks the NBA is having a meh year? There are only a few teams I want to watch, and only when they're playing each other (ie POR/IND). The novelty of OKC/HOU hasn't worn off yet for me, but it's slim pickin's this year (IMO).


You're not the only one.

Last night for example I was looking at all of the games that were on and thought that there wasn't a single game that looked interesting. The Heat/Nets game ended up being better than I thought but of all 12 games, not one stood out as something I'd actively seek out to watch.
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Post#225 » by corona » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:33 pm

love is an empty stat player to me until he shows getting 20/10 actually produces consistent wins for his team.
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Post#226 » by josh_nuggets » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:58 pm

Knicks are now trying to trade form andre miller according to EPSN, but like the Lowry trade they lack the assetss
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Post#227 » by torotoe » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:59 am

corona wrote:love is an empty stat player to me until he shows getting 20/10 actually produces consistent wins for his team.


I'm not so sure you can judge him. Right now his team is not so great in real life, despite being decent on paper. Rubio is extremely overrated, the guy is a liability, and not just on offense. He and Brewer collect steals, but do not live up to their defensive rep because they let their man blow past all too often. Rubio's a:t isn't even good. Mbah a Moute is a solid defender, but he is not much of a two way player. Pekovic is a terrible help defender which compounds the problem of **** wing defense. Love is also a poor help defender, but a player like Mozgov might be able to make that a non-issue. Pek and Love are grounded players. Not a good pair IMO.
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Post#228 » by DaFan334 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:57 am

I would definitely love the idea of a Miller, Chander, and Faried trade for Love. It opens up our rotation and brings in the type of star that might be helpful come playoffs. I wouldn't be opposed to adding a draft pick, so long as it is top 10 protected this year as long as Love signs a contract extension.
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Post#229 » by Powder Blue » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:54 pm

Q and EF are looking good. A Chandler-Miller trade could net a solid player, idk who though. Love wouldn't re-sign with us and we wouldn't fiscally be able to offer him a max with our current contracts.


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Post#230 » by torotoe » Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:07 pm

Powder Blue wrote:Q and EF are looking good. A Chandler-Miller trade could net a solid player, idk who though. Love wouldn't re-sign with us and we wouldn't fiscally be able to offer him a max with our current contracts.


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The finances could work. If Faried is going out and so is Chandler, that's near max money right there (after Faried's new deal). Also, Josh and Stan would probably pony up for a contender. Him bolting to LA is a concern to say the least.
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Re: OT: Daily Thoughts 

Post#231 » by josh_nuggets » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:19 pm

Gallo said in a recent interview with an Italian newspaper that he might miss the entire season.
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Post#232 » by The Rebel » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:10 pm

josh_nuggets wrote:Gallo said in a recent interview with an Italian newspaper that he might miss the entire season.


I would be surprised considering he is posting videos of him pushing the weight cart around with hess and weights on it, plus other videos of him wrestling with his brother on a gym mat.
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Post#233 » by The Rebel » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:11 pm

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Post#234 » by Teens On Acid » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:06 am

would you do it?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lz7mryc

Apparently Hawes and Turner are on the block in a package deal
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/0 ... -in-trade/
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Post#235 » by josh_nuggets » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:34 am

Teens On Acid wrote:would you do it?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lz7mryc

Apparently Hawes and Turner are on the block in a package deal
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/0 ... -in-trade/


Philly wouldn't do it without us adding this years pick,

#NBA source: #Sixers not interested in trading somebody for a lesser player unless a 1st-round pick (preferrably in "2014) is included."

I don't know if I would want to get rid of another 1st rounder,for 2 potential rental players, both expire after this year,
Plus wouldn't want to take away minutes from Fournier for turner.
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Post#236 » by The Rebel » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:13 pm

Teens On Acid wrote:would you do it?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lz7mryc

Apparently Hawes and Turner are on the block in a package deal
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/0 ... -in-trade/


Money won't work as it would put the Nuggets into the tax, and given the current state of the team I doubt Kroenke okays that. Also I am not a fan of Turner on this team, his lack of outside shot is a huge detriment to the team especially in the half court offense.
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Post#237 » by The Rebel » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:16 pm

http://www.mlive.com/sports/flint/index ... ieres.html

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Post#238 » by Teens On Acid » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:55 pm

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Teens On Acid wrote:would you do it?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lz7mryc

Apparently Hawes and Turner are on the block in a package deal
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/0 ... -in-trade/


Money won't work as it would put the Nuggets into the tax, and given the current state of the team I doubt Kroenke okays that. Also I am not a fan of Turner on this team, his lack of outside shot is a huge detriment to the team especially in the half court offense.


he (Turner) can move though. we may not need him to hit a 3?...BUT i agree, our 3 ball is working pretty well.

but yea...i saw the wire and flipped it onto the fantasy espn trade machine and we came up using the exception...Hawes? unless here's some serious magic going on with McGee.....i might go for it
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Post#239 » by Teens On Acid » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:57 pm

The Rebel wrote:http://www.mlive.com/sports/flint/index.ssf/2014/01/flints_mcgee_family_premieres.html

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awesome. just what we need. distractions. that revolve around JaVale.
This has Melo / Lala written all over it.

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Re: OT: Daily Thoughts 

Post#240 » by eathb_au » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:59 am

We are really missing Darrell Arthur.

He and probably one or two others are the only ones that can actually play defense on this roster, and he keeps Hickson on the bench at times which helps.

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