The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread

[Coeur]

I'm personally happy with how Barton playing this season, but we don't need him so much (for example, the team record without him is 5-2 this season, 10-6 last season), especially after Murray and Porter is back and three max-contracts start to bother our salary cap so better we find a way to redirect Barton 2022-23 salary ($17M) on the smarter way.

Every trade involving Barton where we get starter-level 3&D guard (or guard-forward) would be great.

For example W.Barton, B.Hyland, DEN2022-1st for G.Trent, TOR2022-2nd

While I'm very high on Hyland, it is obvious Malone is going to kill him, and the Raptors would ask full price for a young player already established as an elite stealer and 3pt shooter which will cost as 1st round pick too, not just Hyland and Barton. Murray-Trent-Porter-Gordon-Jokic would be a ring-worthy starting lineup, where everything perfectly suits.

Whatttt?


I’m all for trading Barton. But Trent is not that much better to add Bones and a pick

I would think that trade package would get the Nugs something wat better than Trent. Shouldn’t that be close to Bogdanovic range?

[Coeur]

There are rumors that the Pacers are trying to decide whether to blow it up or re-load around Sabonis. There are also rumors that the Pacers think they can get basically an all star return for LaVert with a veteran, young prospect, and a 1st being their asking price.

I wonder if they still want Barton? He is actually a better player than LaVert if you ask me, although he will never return that type of package, plus he can play well with Sabonis who is basically a poor man's Jokic.

Could and maybe should we trade Barton and Campazzo for Justin Holiday, Jeremy Lamb, and a 2nd or two?

Lamb is a okay defender, and okay shooter, that shoots 40% on spot up 3s, he would work well as our starting SG until Murray and MPJ get back. Holiday is the guy we need though, he can play SF and SG, and is the closest thing to a true 3 and D guy we have ever given jokic. This deal gives us 2 shooters that can spread the floor as well so teams cannot triple cover Jokic anymore. Since teams covet guys who can create their own shot I think Barton brings back an added 2nd round pick.

ONce MPj and Murray get back, you move Lamb to backup Sf competing with Ross for minutes, move Holiday from starting SF to starting SG, and let Holiday and Gordon create chaos on defense as they can both take away opposing teams 2 best perimeter players, allowing Murray and MPJ to guard weaker offensive guys.

The Pacers are a middle of the road team not likely going anywhere so it is understandable to think that they are looking to unload some players to build up assets. I don't think that Barton is an asset that they covet except on the cheap. Otherwise, I could agree to this trade.

It has been rumored that they wanted Barton the last 2 times he has been a free agent, and he fits in their system. In fact I would argue that he is a better fit than LaVert next to Brogdan and Sabonis. I also think they are going to trade Lavert who is too much of an iso player, and they will get a better package for him than I have them giving up for Barton.

Barton for Lavert could be good for both teams. Indiana should want Monte Morris a lot as well.

[The Rebel]

The Pacers are a middle of the road team not likely going anywhere so it is understandable to think that they are looking to unload some players to build up assets. I don't think that Barton is an asset that they covet except on the cheap. Otherwise, I could agree to this trade.

It has been rumored that they wanted Barton the last 2 times he has been a free agent, and he fits in their system. In fact I would argue that he is a better fit than LaVert next to Brogdan and Sabonis. I also think they are going to trade Lavert who is too much of an iso player, and they will get a better package for him than I have them giving up for Barton.

Barton for Lavert could be good for both teams. Indiana should want Monte Morris a lot as well.

I think you dramatically over rate LeVert, he isn't very good. He gets a lot of credit for being good on both ends for the Nets that overachieved, but he never grew from there. He puts up a lot of points but he does it badly, his defense has fallen off, and he is no longer 24 years old. The one thing that keeps people trading for him is the belief that with the right mix suddenly he is going to figure out that he needs to shoot better shots, play more consistent, and play some defense.

I seem to remember you openly complaining about Barton 3 years ago. While Barton has never averaged as high of PPG as LeVert, the difference doesn't come in the big nights, it comes in the bad nights. Barton eventually stops shooting, LeVert keeps bombing. Barton has learned to play more off the ball, the Pacers want to trade him because he refuses to play off the ball. They can want what they want, but I wouldn't trade Morris straight up for Barton Jr, where Barton is the better player and fit on our roster.

[The Rebel]

It is rumored that JayMichael and Compazzo are available in trade right now.

I know a lot of people are down on JayMichael but I think his biggest issue is the role we are asking him to play. He just is not big or strong enough to defend offensive minded Centers. He is a solid 4th big which despite being overpaid has some value to the right time with an iffy contract and better fit needs him.

Compazzo still will sell some jerseys and is an expiring contract.

I think combined it is a slightly above neutral package, especially if used right to save a team money. So far I think the Trailblazers won the CJ trade and lost the Powell deal, but they dumped a lot of money.

Combined those two could bring back $14.25 million in trade, which if the Kroenkes are willing to go a touch into the tax may get us someone useful at SG/SF.

[psimanic1]

It is rumored that JayMichael and Compazzo are available in trade right now.

I know a lot of people are down on JayMichael but I think his biggest issue is the role we are asking him to play. He just is not big or strong enough to defend offensive minded Centers. He is a solid 4th big which despite being overpaid has some value to the right time with an iffy contract and better fit needs him.

Compazzo still will sell some jerseys and is an expiring contract.

I think combined it is a slightly above neutral package, especially if used right to save a team money. So far I think the Trailblazers won the CJ trade and lost the Powell deal, but they dumped a lot of money.

Combined those two could bring back $14.25 million in trade, which if the Kroenkes are willing to go a touch into the tax may get us someone useful at SG/SF.

Thing is, Jm Green has veto on his trade, so does Rivers, but maybe they will accept any trade because we gave them nice contracts, who knows

[skywalker33]

It is rumored that JayMichael and Compazzo are available in trade right now.

I know a lot of people are down on JayMichael but I think his biggest issue is the role we are asking him to play. He just is not big or strong enough to defend offensive minded Centers. He is a solid 4th big which despite being overpaid has some value to the right time with an iffy contract and better fit needs him.

Compazzo still will sell some jerseys and is an expiring contract.

I think combined it is a slightly above neutral package, especially if used right to save a team money. So far I think the Trailblazers won the CJ trade and lost the Powell deal, but they dumped a lot of money.

Combined those two could bring back $14.25 million in trade, which if the Kroenkes are willing to go a touch into the tax may get us someone useful at SG/SF.

I personally would love to see both traded but I doubt either will, I can't see anything more than a our-garbage-for-your-garbage trade or 2nd rd picks at best. If Campazzo could shoot with any type of consistency I could see an asset coming back, but we all know he can't. Green has a no-trade clause, would probably accept a trade to a contender but if we benched him he may reconsider.

[Manolito]

Only potential trade happening is sending away Campazzo to free a slot for an interesting buyout.

We entertained deadline happened already last season

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[The Rebel]

It is rumored that JayMichael and Compazzo are available in trade right now.

I know a lot of people are down on JayMichael but I think his biggest issue is the role we are asking him to play. He just is not big or strong enough to defend offensive minded Centers. He is a solid 4th big which despite being overpaid has some value to the right time with an iffy contract and better fit needs him.

Compazzo still will sell some jerseys and is an expiring contract.

I think combined it is a slightly above neutral package, especially if used right to save a team money. So far I think the Trailblazers won the CJ trade and lost the Powell deal, but they dumped a lot of money.

Combined those two could bring back $14.25 million in trade, which if the Kroenkes are willing to go a touch into the tax may get us someone useful at SG/SF.

Thing is, Jm Green has veto on his trade, so does Rivers, but maybe they will accept any trade because we gave them nice contracts, who knows

JayMichael knows that if we use him as our 5th big for the next 1.5 years than his career is over. Nobody wants a 33 year old 3rd string PF. being a backup may get him another contract or two for some team developing young talent, he is smart enough to get that.

[The Rebel]

It is rumored that JayMichael and Compazzo are available in trade right now.

I know a lot of people are down on JayMichael but I think his biggest issue is the role we are asking him to play. He just is not big or strong enough to defend offensive minded Centers. He is a solid 4th big which despite being overpaid has some value to the right time with an iffy contract and better fit needs him.

Compazzo still will sell some jerseys and is an expiring contract.

I think combined it is a slightly above neutral package, especially if used right to save a team money. So far I think the Trailblazers won the CJ trade and lost the Powell deal, but they dumped a lot of money.

Combined those two could bring back $14.25 million in trade, which if the Kroenkes are willing to go a touch into the tax may get us someone useful at SG/SF.

I personally would love to see both traded but I doubt either will, I can't see anything more than a our-garbage-for-your-garbage trade or 2nd rd picks at best. If Campazzo could shoot with any type of consistency I could see an asset coming back, but we all know he can't. Green has a no-trade clause, would probably accept a trade to a contender but if we benched him he may reconsider.

Depends on what you consider garbage? I think a team like the Wizards would love to get off part of Caldwell-Pope's deal right now and add some defense. Terrance Ross is still available in Orlando. You might be able to get slow mo Anderson for Green alone. The Twolves have been shopping Beasley and could use both Campazzo and Green off the bench. At best one of them would be a 5th starter type but are more rotation guys, which we desperately need.

[Richard Miller]

Depends on what you consider garbage? I think a team like the Wizards would love to get off part of Caldwell-Pope's deal right now and add some defense. Terrance Ross is still available in Orlando. You might be able to get slow mo Anderson for Green alone. The Twolves have been shopping Beasley and could use both Campazzo and Green off the bench. At best one of them would be a 5th starter type but are more rotation guys, which we desperately need.

Hard pass on Beasley, would rather keep Green. Not sure how much those other guys are realistic though, if they are on the trade block, don't think Wizards/Orl/Mem will be much interested in either Green or Facu

[TunaFish]

I had suspected that the Nuggets didn't have the tradable assets to make a big move at the deadline and that is how the deadline ended. Forbes was a good pickup earlier and being 1 million from the tax threshold, any further moves were going to be difficult.

However, I am surprised that no one seemed to have interest in trading for Facu Campazzo so at least we have a 3rd string PG. JaMychal Green has a no trade clause and has very recently shown some improvement, so keeping him may have been a good move. Green should be played more at the 4 with Boogie at center.

The next watch is for the return of either Murray and/or MPJ.

[The Rebel]

I had suspected that the Nuggets didn't have the tradable assets to make a big move at the deadline and that is how the deadline ended. Forbes was a good pickup earlier and being 1 million from the tax threshold, any further moves were going to be difficult.

However, I am surprised that no one seemed to have interest in trading for Facu Campazzo so at least we have a 3rd string PG. JaMychal Green has a no trade clause and has very recently shown some improvement, so keeping him may have been a good move. Green should be played more at the 4 with Boogie at center.

The next watch is for the return of either Murray and/or MPJ.

I am not surprised that we still have Compazzo, I was hoping that Green would draw some interest. Campazzo is too old to have much upside and already looks like he lost a step. I thought if 1 team would want Campazzo it would be Dallas, but they got Dinwiddie and are waiting for the Dragic buyout. With him playing with Doncic a few years ago in Europe I was hoping they would bring him in, but I think Dinwiddie is obviously better than Campazzo at this point, I just wasn't expecting them to trade Porzingis today.

It seems like a lot of teams could use a defensive 4 that can shoot a little bit. He may only be effective in some matchups but with so many teams struggling to find a guy like him I thought he would see some demand. With Nnaji playing as well as he has been, and the obvious chemistry that he has with Cousins, I don't see Jaymichael getting many minutes on most nights.

I do think we should sign Cousins to a contract for the rest of the year, and if we can get a buy out guy who can defend swings than I think we should buyout Campazzo and let him go finish his NBA career playing as right now I am not sure he will get another deal.

[Manolito]

We have 1.1M below tax and two roster spots available if we buy Campazzo out.

Assuming 24games remaining after ASG, hiring Cousins and Gary Harris costs exactly 0.97M. Boogie's two 10 days contract cost 0.19M, that means 60k$ above tax signing both players upfront after ASG.

Bottom líne, if we buy Campazzo out and hire Gary Harris when 21 games remaining (3rd March), team remains below the tax unless really unlikely bonuses happens (Conference finals or Gordon all defense team).

Murray Morris Bones
Barton Forbes Gary Harris Rivers
Gordon
MPJ Jeff Green Nnaji Jamychal Cancar
Jokic Cousins

That roster is a contender if Murray and MPJ are 80% healthy.

Another path to get more flexibility is using DPE from MPJ if he is unable to play this season, let's hope this is not the case.

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[skywalker33]

So if Gary Harris is bought out, would you make room for a roster spot ??? Who on this current roster would you cut ? I think I'd cut Rivers

[The Rebel]

So if Gary Harris is bought out, would you make room for a roster spot ??? Who on this current roster would you cut ? I think I'd cut Rivers

I would cut Campazzo before Rivers, while both have their uses and issues, I think that Rivers being able to guard 1-3s is a bigger need than Campazzo who is solid on most PGs but just doesn't have the size or speed to guard SGs and SFs.

[Manolito]

Once Murray is back, Campazzo is useless and Denver can safe 100k$ from his likely bonus, which is very important to add a buyout on time. Furthermore Rivers could be back next season and Campazzo for sure not.

BTW, Connelly just said Murray and MPJ are really close to return

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[TunaFish]

Once Murray is back, Campazzo is useless and Denver can safe 100k$ from his likely bonus, which is very important to add a buyout on time. Furthermore Rivers could be back next season and Campazzo for sure not.

BTW, Connelly just said Murray and MPJ are really close to return

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What I understood Connelly saying was that "Murray and MPJ would be cleared to play in the not too distant future but when they return is up to them."

Whatever that means, it sounds like good news.

[skywalker33]

Was checking the standing and noticed the LA Lakers are in the 12th spot of the lottery. Their 1st rd pick goes to MEM unless it's a top 10 pick. ANYONE wanna bet if the LAL squad stays in the lottery, they end up with a top 4 pick ??? Bet on it, the lottery will show it's rigged AGAIN. I got a $20 hot take for anyone who wants to prove me wrong

[Richard Miller]

It's really getting frustrating that Nuggets can't really count on trades - not sure if that's just on the front office being too conservative or few really want to play in Denver

They nailed it with the Gordon trade (though it helped that Gordon really wanted to come), other than that, I really struggle to remember any good trade in the last 5 years or so, anyone good pretty much came through the draft, Millsap was FA if I'm not mistaken, other than that it's whole lotta of nothing, minor trades and lateral moves

[Coeur]

It's really getting frustrating that Nuggets can't really count on trades - not sure if that's just on the front office being too conservative or few really want to play in Denver

They nailed it with the Gordon trade (though it helped that Gordon really wanted to come), other than that, I really struggle to remember any good trade in the last 5 years or so, anyone good pretty much came through the draft, Millsap was FA if I'm not mistaken, other than that it's whole lotta of nothing, minor trades and lateral moves

I think the entire roster set up perfectly for trades. And then what might be only answer to why they couldn’t get it done was the crazy amount of backcourt injuries. PJ Dozier, MPJ and Cancar all in addition Murray shelved - I wanted Monte Morris and Barton traded badly. Maybe they just couldn’t. Depth wise and not getting right value


I thought Monte Morris would gain huge value first half of this year. And he just didn’t. Bones will pass him by and he goes from last few years being top couple backup pgs to kind of expensive 3rd pg.


Monte Morris and Barton for a Bogdanovic or Brogdon or such would have been and then this off-season will be the ideal situation. Derrick white went for for more than Nugs could have added.

Prob stuck on those two. SG has to be hit in the draft. Always believe there’s sweet spots position wise and draft range wise. Nugs have a great draft to catch or hopefully move up for great sg/sf this year.
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