Bol Bol

[NuggetsWY]

"Successful" or "not successful" without a G-League team is something we can never prove. I have complained since Malone's first year, that he doesn't give young players enough PT. He has been successful but I suspect he could have had more success if he had given his young players more PT.

The same is true of having/not having a G-League. We will never know if our players would develop better on a G-League team that has Nuggets' coaches. But it would seem to make sense.

[skywalker33]

"Successful" or "not successful" without a G-League team is something we can never prove. I have complained since Malone's first year, that he doesn't give young players enough PT. He has been successful but I suspect he could have had more success if he had given his young players more PT.

The same is true of having/not having a G-League. We will never know if our players would develop better on a G-League team that has Nuggets' coaches. But it would seem to make sense.

Agree, it'll always just be conjecture until it's done but I can see the Nuggets hesitancy in spending millions of dollars (and I hear most teams aren't making good ROI on the G-League teams) on their 15th and 16th best players when most teams have a 8-10 man rotation.

What does bother me is the G-League is so guard/wing dominant (the NBA seems to be as well) that sending a C and a PF (Cook) doesn't seem to productive. Seems Dozier would be better served down in the G-league than Bol, guess that still does have a small chance to happen

[THE J0KER]

So where am I wrong with that post ?? Morris looks good, Craig dominated the G-league, both made this team and have had impacts after stints there. I fully expect the same from Bol.

Unfortunatelly, this time risk we make the wrong decision is high.

Morris and Craig are players under the radar for the rest of the league and after their rookie two-way season with minimal games they played - nothing changed. But before big injury concerns Bol Bol was a projected lottery pick by everyone, and once they realize he is enough healthy to play, even if we redshirt him, we can't fight with so many desperate rebuilding teams next summer with Bol Bol gets RFA status on poor 2020 FA market. We have already engaged 110+ millions of 2020-21 salary, while some teams like Atlanta or Toronto only $30M!

I feel confident in saying the Nuggets will protect their rights when it comes to signing Bol, I think they’re smarter than you suggest they are

I'm talking about risks. I didn't see any risk in Morris and Craig cases but in Bol Bol case I see some concerns if he proves he is healthy.

Do you remember our famous 2017 draft? The plan was good, to get Lyles and OG Anunoby for (most probably) Luke Kennard, but it turned into Donovan Mitchell for Lyles+Lydon disaster. Our FO is best at drafts for sure, but sometimes things go out of control.

[skywalker33]

I'm talking about risks. I didn't see any risk in Morris and Craig cases but in Bol Bol case I see some concerns if he proves he is healthy.

Well, if he's healthy what more risk does he have in the G-League than on out team ??? Do you really think their mgmt would disregard his injuries ?? Again, I would think the Nuggets have some say/input on Bol's playing time with regard to injury, wouldn't surprise me it our FO has 1 of out own medical staff consigned to the individual G-League team.

Do you remember our famous 2017 draft? The plan was good, to get Lyles and OG Anunoby for (most probably) Luke Kennard, but it turned into Donovan Mitchell for Lyles+Lydon disaster. Our FO is best at drafts for sure, but sometimes things go out of control.

Really don't know what you're trying to point out with this analogy other than our FO made a mistake....but guess what ??? EVERY FO makes mistakes.....

[THE J0KER]

"I still can't believe it, that I'm in the NBA," Bol told AFP. "I'm very excited. Time has flown by. I can't wait to get going."
...
"Everything is perfect. Everything has fully healed," Bol said. "I've been working out in the morning and coming back at night."
Everything which coming about Bol lately is so confusing. In one sentence it is a miracle he gets chances to play in NBA at all, but in another sentence, he is bigger potential than Zion

[NuggetsWY]

"I still can't believe it, that I'm in the NBA," Bol told AFP. "I'm very excited. Time has flown by. I can't wait to get going."
...
"Everything is perfect. Everything has fully healed," Bol said. "I've been working out in the morning and coming back at night."
Everything which coming about Bol lately is so confusing. In one sentence it is a miracle he gets chances to play in NBA at all, but in another sentence, he is bigger potential than Zion

Yeah, we'll need to wait and see how he fits in the NBA. If he lives up to his hype, we got a major steal - not quite as big as our draft of Jokic, but getting there. On the other hand, if he doesn't live up to his hype - we didn't pay much to acquire him.

[skywalker33]

Bol Bol has stated his foot is 100% healthy again, he's working out 2x a day here in Denver. We still can sign him to the active roster spot and put Dozier (who I like as well) on the 2nd 2-way. As the G-League is more of a guard/wing platform, and given the health uncertainty of Bol, this appears to be a better course of action IMO. Can't see why the Nuggets would trade for this guy only to diminish his potential in a league that doesn't emphasize Centers

[THE J0KER]

Bol Bol has stated his foot is 100% healthy again, he's working out 2x a day here in Denver. We still can sign him to the active roster spot and put Dozier (who I like as well) on the 2nd 2-way. As the G-League is more of a guard/wing platform, and given the health uncertainty of Bol, this appears to be a better course of action IMO. Can't see why the Nuggets would trade for this guy only to diminish his potential in a league that doesn't emphasize Centers

It is very hard for me to say anything about the subject when I have no idea what is a real case of Bol Bol injury problems, with so much confusing and contradictory information and things around Bol Bol this summer. Bol Bol is a big talent with the unique skillset for such a tall player, he practicing hard on the court and in the gym, and use every opportunity to say that he is already 100% healthy and ready. But on another hand, he drops in the draft badly from a projected lottery pick to #44 pick, didn't played Summer League, and not even signed rookie scale deal with the rumors about redshirt option this season!?

Last season we have the same optimistic statements from MPJ, but at least be know exactly his medical file, so we can easily predict what will happen, that no way he will play last season, but also we have full rights to have big expectations from him this season. But in this Bol Bol case, everything is so confusing, especially if we sign a two-way contract with him.

BTW, Bol Bol draft class players are also high on him:
NBA Rookie Survey: Nuggets got steal of 2019 Draft in Bol Bol

[TunaFish]

I am finding it a bit astonishing that everyone assumes that Bol is such a risk because he had a stress fracture in his foot while in college. My understanding is that stress fractures are not uncommon in athletes and are easily treated. I know there a few who had chronic problems but that was uncommon.

With good shoes he should be able to play for a long time.

If I remember correctly, Bill Walton played with broken bones in his feet for 12 years in the NBA. He suffered his first broken bone in high school.

[The Rebel]

I am finding it a bit astonishing that everyone assumes that Bol is such a risk because he had a stress fracture in his foot while in college. My understanding is that stress fractures are not uncommon in athletes and are easily treated. I know there a few who had chronic problems but that was uncommon.

With good shoes he should be able to play for a long time.

If I remember correctly, Bill Walton played with broken bones in his feet for 12 years in the NBA. He suffered his first broken bone in high school.

If I remember correctly there were rumors that teams did not like his attitude and questioned his love of basketball, add that to injury concerns and it will drop someone a long way.


We pretty much dropped Lyles out of the rotation just after the work ethic question came up then even pulled his qualifying offer this summer. Lydon himself said that he took his position on the Nuggets for granted and I don't remember the last time we did't pick up the option on year 3 for a 1st round pick.

Bol is likely on notice that if work ethic is an issue he is gone, but I would bet that he wants a longer contract and the Nuggets want options which is why he is on a 2 way at least through training camp.

[THE J0KER]

I am finding it a bit astonishing that everyone assumes that Bol is such a risk because he had a stress fracture in his foot while in college. My understanding is that stress fractures are not uncommon in athletes and are easily treated. I know there a few who had chronic problems but that was uncommon.

With good shoes he should be able to play for a long time.

If I remember correctly, Bill Walton played with broken bones in his feet for 12 years in the NBA. He suffered his first broken bone in high school.

If I remember correctly there were rumors that teams did not like his attitude and questioned his love of basketball, add that to injury concerns and it will drop someone a long way.


We pretty much dropped Lyles out of the rotation just after the work ethic question came up then even pulled his qualifying offer this summer. Lydon himself said that he took his position on the Nuggets for granted and I don't remember the last time we did't pick up the option on year 3 for a 1st round pick.

Bol is likely on notice that if work ethic is an issue he is gone, but I would bet that he wants a longer contract and the Nuggets want options which is why he is on a 2 way at least through training camp.

It would be surprising for me if he really has a big "work ethic" issue, considering he is since his childhood prepared that basketball and nothing other than basketball will be his "pro" life. But every man is a different person, let's see what will happen with him from now. Also, some kids becoming more mature changed their mindset in a positive way, so even if this story is true, it is still not the end of the world in Bol case. Talking openly, if his foot is OK, but he is unhappy to play for the team which franchise player is a center, we still should sign a rookie contract with him, show that he is healthy, and trade him as a lottery pick asset, which healthy Bol is real value.

[skywalker33]

Hmmmm, it seems that the work ethic is the most logical reason why it appears the Nuggets look inclined to put him on the 2-way. Though given that he's been working out twice a day, that's gotta be a statement trying to alleviate those concerns. If Bol reaches his potential along with MPJ, could really plce us into contenders for a long time in this league.

[THE J0KER]

Bol Bol Signs Two-Way Deal With Nuggets

I know we successfully have done already similar maneuver with Craig and Morris before signing a first real contract with them, but this time I see a big risk to lose Bol Bol for nothing as RFA next summer. In Craig and Morris cases we are in the total control of their progress, but this guy was not anonymous. Bol is projected to be a lottery pick this summer before bad news about his injury, and next summer there will be so many desperate rebuilding teams with big salary cap holes on FA market, that once news about his (enough good) health leak, we cant faith with these desperate teams offers for Bol Bol.

But maybe this is a signal that our management already gave up from Bol Bol even as a cheap asset.

[skywalker33]

Bol Bol Signs Two-Way Deal With Nuggets

I know we successfully have done already similar maneuver with Craig and Morris before signing a first real contract with them, but this time I see a big risk to lose Bol Bol for nothing as RFA next summer. In Craig and Morris cases we are in the total control of their progress, but this guy was not anonymous. Bol is projected to be a lottery pick this summer before bad news about his injury, and next summer there will be so many desperate rebuilding teams with big salary cap holes on FA market, that once news about his (enough good) health leak, we cant faith with these desperate teams offers for Bol Bol.

But maybe is is a signal that our management already gave up from Bol Bol even as a cheap asset.

Another stupid assumption you're implying IMO. What makes you say they've given up RIGHT AFTER THEY SIGN HIM ?? As for other teams, they ALL had a chance to draft him and didn't, so feels like a reasonable bet as of right now. As for the future, if I'm the team that made the investment into him, I'd put something into his contract to keep his rights until I found out what he's got inside.

Glad to hear we finally signed him.

[NuggetsWY]

Bol Bol Signs Two-Way Deal With Nuggets

I know we successfully have done already similar maneuver with Craig and Morris before signing a first real contract with them, but this time I see a big risk to lose Bol Bol for nothing as RFA next summer. In Craig and Morris cases we are in the total control of their progress, but this guy was not anonymous. Bol is projected to be a lottery pick this summer before bad news about his injury, and next summer there will be so many desperate rebuilding teams with big salary cap holes on FA market, that once news about his (enough good) health leak, we cant faith with these desperate teams offers for Bol Bol.

But maybe is is a signal that our management already gave up from Bol Bol even as a cheap asset.

Another stupid assumption you're implying IMO. What makes you say they've given up RIGHT AFTER THEY SIGN HIM ?? As for other teams, they ALL had a chance to draft him and didn't, so feels like a reasonable bet as of right now. As for the future, if I'm the team that made the investment into him, I'd put something into his contract to keep his rights until I found out what he's got inside.

Glad to hear we finally signed him.

I believe we still have RFA after the Two-Way - so it isn't terrible. I'm content.

[THE J0KER]

Bol Bol Signs Two-Way Deal With Nuggets

I know we successfully have done already similar maneuver with Craig and Morris before signing a first real contract with them, but this time I see a big risk to lose Bol Bol for nothing as RFA next summer. In Craig and Morris cases we are in the total control of their progress, but this guy was not anonymous. Bol is projected to be a lottery pick this summer before bad news about his injury, and next summer there will be so many desperate rebuilding teams with big salary cap holes on FA market, that once news about his (enough good) health leak, we cant faith with these desperate teams offers for Bol Bol.

But maybe is is a signal that our management already gave up from Bol Bol even as a cheap asset.

Another stupid assumption you're implying IMO. What makes you say they've given up RIGHT AFTER THEY SIGN HIM ?? As for other teams, they ALL had a chance to draft him and didn't, so feels like a reasonable bet as of right now. As for the future, if I'm the team that made the investment into him, I'd put something into his contract to keep his rights until I found out what he's got inside.

Glad to hear we finally signed him.

I believe we still have RFA after the Two-Way - so it isn't terrible. I'm content.

Trust me, there is a reason why someone high drafted as Bol Bol (#44 pick) never before signed two-way contracts. It happens before with 50+ picks and undrafted guys, deeply under the radar from the rest of the league, and we have good experience with Morris and Craig. But Bol Bol has nothing with such profile of underrated players which you can develop in silence, and sign when you decide he is ready. Bol is 20-10 (+3 blocks) prodigy projected to be TOP10 pick before injury issue happens. In Bol Bol case other teams to take a risk with some bold qualifier offer next summer will not need any insider information about his development nor any G-League game to watch. They will ask only how healthy is he (a question which ruined his status this summer).

[skywalker33]

Trust me, there is a reason why someone high drafted as Bol Bol (#44 pick) never before signed two-way contracts. It happens before with 50+ picks and undrafted guys, deeply under the radar from the rest of the league, and we have good experience with Morris and Craig. But Bol Bol has nothing with such profile of underrated players which you can develop in silence, and sign when you decide he is ready. Bol is 20-10 (+3 blocks) prodigy projected to be TOP10 pick before injury issue happens. In Bol Bol case other teams to take a risk with some bold qualifier offer next summer will not need any insider information about his development nor any G-League game to watch. They will ask only how healthy is he (a question which ruined his status this summer).

But maybe is is a signal that our management already gave up from Bol Bol even as a cheap asset.

I'm only asking why you believe the Nuggets have given up on Bol Bol ??? Just asking you to clarify that one for me...

[NuggetsWY]

Another stupid assumption you're implying IMO. What makes you say they've given up RIGHT AFTER THEY SIGN HIM ?? As for other teams, they ALL had a chance to draft him and didn't, so feels like a reasonable bet as of right now. As for the future, if I'm the team that made the investment into him, I'd put something into his contract to keep his rights until I found out what he's got inside.

Glad to hear we finally signed him.

I believe we still have RFA after the Two-Way - so it isn't terrible. I'm content.

Trust me, there is a reason why someone high drafted as Bol Bol (#44 pick) never before signed two-way contracts. It happens before with 50+ picks and undrafted guys, deeply under the radar from the rest of the league, and we have good experience with Morris and Craig. But Bol Bol has nothing with such profile of underrated players which you can develop in silence, and sign when you decide he is ready. Bol is 20-10 (+3 blocks) prodigy projected to be TOP10 pick before injury issue happens. In Bol Bol case other teams to take a risk with some bold qualifier offer next summer will not need any insider information about his development nor any G-League game to watch. They will ask only how healthy is he (a question which ruined his status this summer).

and regardless of everything involved - Bol stands very little chance of playing this year - there are just too many players in front of him

[The Rebel]

Another stupid assumption you're implying IMO. What makes you say they've given up RIGHT AFTER THEY SIGN HIM ?? As for other teams, they ALL had a chance to draft him and didn't, so feels like a reasonable bet as of right now. As for the future, if I'm the team that made the investment into him, I'd put something into his contract to keep his rights until I found out what he's got inside.

Glad to hear we finally signed him.

I believe we still have RFA after the Two-Way - so it isn't terrible. I'm content.

Trust me, there is a reason why someone high drafted as Bol Bol (#44 pick) never before signed two-way contracts. It happens before with 50+ picks and undrafted guys, deeply under the radar from the rest of the league, and we have good experience with Morris and Craig. But Bol Bol has nothing with such profile of underrated players which you can develop in silence, and sign when you decide he is ready. Bol is 20-10 (+3 blocks) prodigy projected to be TOP10 pick before injury issue happens. In Bol Bol case other teams to take a risk with some bold qualifier offer next summer will not need any insider information about his development nor any G-League game to watch. They will ask only how healthy is he (a question which ruined his status this summer).

This is the 2nd year of the 2 way contracts, and the fact is we do not know why Bol fell. If it was long term injury concerns than you are right he only has to prove he is healthy, but how big of a contract do you think a team is going to give to an unproven rookie? Nobody in their right mind is going to offer him a long term big money type of contract if he never sees an NBA court or struggles in the least bit.


If you believe as I do that there were other reasons that Bol fell, a season on a 2 way contract is not going to fully change that perception. There are rumors that he did not work as hard and did not love the game as much as he should have. Now whether that is fair or not, if NBA GMs believe that, then a guy working on a 2 way contract for 1 year is not going to change their minds. If he busts out of Denver than he is forced to go to Europe or China and work his way back into the NBA. GMs know that, they will want to see how he does when he is making NBA money before that changes.

[TunaFish]

Now that Bol has signed using a 2-way, the Nuggets have an open roster spot to be used as needed.