Nuggets Trades

[NuggetsWY]

I'd like to see Ben Simmons in Denver

Why? Do you want him because he's got a "big name"? What does he supply that Denver needs? He handles the ball and drives into the lane. He can't hit an outside shot but his defense isn't bad. The problem would be the same in Denver as Philadelphia faces with him. Embiid wants the ball and Jokic certainly needs to have the ball in order to be effective, but Simmons has zero value on offense unless he has the ball.

[The Rebel]

After doing more research, I would pass on Holiday. He averages 5 games more per year than Harris, he has shot worse from 3 than Harris did last year 2 of the last 3 years. He allows a higher shooting percentage on defense. REally the only thing Holiday is better at is passing and I do not see that as a huge need with our starters.

[The Rebel]

I'd like to see Ben Simmons in Denver

I would pass on Simmons. His lack of shooting would basically kill our entire offense.

[NuggetsWY]

New idea, if we have some secret late lottery pick in the upcoming draft:

Denver: G.Hayward, #14-BOS
Indiana: G.Harris, W.Barton, #22-DEN, #26-BOS
Boston: M.Turner

I do like the idea of Hayward in Denver. I think he fits well.

Barton, Harris, #22 for Hayward & #14 --- not sure Denver will be able to get that pick though

Turner for Harris, Barton, #22, #26 --- Indiana's giving up the best player (IMO) and that's not usually good, but in this case, it would seem to fit their timeline assuming they are letting Oladipo go too

Hayward & 2 1sts for Turner seems like an overpay but it just might be worth it

Suggestion: let Boston keep the #14 and I think they'd go for it. Denver can afford to skip the pick but this trade depletes our depth - IMO we'd still be okay

Porter as starting SF with Bates-Diop & Hayward as backups
Hayward as starting SG with Murray & Morris & Dozier as backups

Imagine a game ending lineup of Jokic, Grant, Porter, Hayward, Murray --- it would be hard for anyone to figure out who was going to take that final shot!

[NuggetsWY]

I'm not giving up MPJ or Bol Bol for Jrue Holiday. I might give up Bol Bol for Beal/Booker though.

Nuggets receive:
Jrue Holiday

Pelicans receive:
Gary Harris
Will Barton
Monte Morris

Spoiler:

P.J. Dozier can handle backup PG duties or you can even draft a PG in the draft like Grant Riller, Tyrell Terry or Cassius Winston.

Only offer that's beating that is Brooklyn:
(I don't know how they'd match salaries)

Brooklyn receives:
Jrue Holiday

Pelicans receive:
Caris LeVert
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jarrett Allen

3rd team?

If Denver makes that offer and it is turned down; Denver ought to walk away from the trade and definitely not sweeten the offer. That's a lot to give up. I'd do it, but nothing more.

[stoo]

I'd like to see Ben Simmons in Denver

Why? Do you want him because he's got a "big name"? What does he supply that Denver needs? He handles the ball and drives into the lane. He can't hit an outside shot but his defense isn't bad. The problem would be the same in Denver as Philadelphia faces with him. Embiid wants the ball and Jokic certainly needs to have the ball in order to be effective, but Simmons has zero value on offense unless he has the ball.

Well I'd like him first and mostly for defense. But there is a catch even there.
The way it could work is only him playing in frontcourt, where Ben, Jokic and Grant/type of player, play a lot of weak side help defense, and Simmons is the only non-shooter on the court.
He would help with transition defense and fastbreaks in offense.
In a half-court sets, he would be an elite cutter and lob threat next to Jokic and 3rd elite, smart playmaker on the court at the same time. His speed would be enough for him to strecth the floor from his side as the only nonshooter, something like Westbrook at the end of the season for Houston

[NuggetsWY]

I'd like to see Ben Simmons in Denver

Why? Do you want him because he's got a "big name"? What does he supply that Denver needs? He handles the ball and drives into the lane. He can't hit an outside shot but his defense isn't bad. The problem would be the same in Denver as Philadelphia faces with him. Embiid wants the ball and Jokic certainly needs to have the ball in order to be effective, but Simmons has zero value on offense unless he has the ball.

Well I'd like him first and mostly for defense. But there is a catch even there.
The way it could work is only him playing in frontcourt, where Ben, Jokic and Grant/type of player, play a lot of weak side help defense, and Simmons is the only non-shooter on the court.
He would help with transition defense and fastbreaks in offense.
In a half-court sets, he would be an elite cutter and lob threat next to Jokic and 3rd elite, smart playmaker on the court at the same time. His speed would be enough for him to strecth the floor from his side as the only nonshooter, something like Westbrook at the end of the season for Houston

Have you watched the Nuggets play? Weakside help defense is definitely not something they are proficient at. The Nuggets don't typically have trouble with transition defense and since most of the Nuggets are adequate ball handlers at best, they can fast break whenever they want. They just don't do much more of that than the average team.

So you are proposing adding a player that isn't needed on offense and in fact, would allow defenses to clog the paint. That in turn would hurt Jokic's ability to drive and close off most of his passes to guys cutting to the bucket.

As I've suggested, his offense doesn't fit with the Nuggets - so he's basically only of value in the half-court defense.

Nope, just don't see any sense in adding Simmons.

[stoo]

Why? Do you want him because he's got a "big name"? What does he supply that Denver needs? He handles the ball and drives into the lane. He can't hit an outside shot but his defense isn't bad. The problem would be the same in Denver as Philadelphia faces with him. Embiid wants the ball and Jokic certainly needs to have the ball in order to be effective, but Simmons has zero value on offense unless he has the ball.

Well I'd like him first and mostly for defense. But there is a catch even there.
The way it could work is only him playing in frontcourt, where Ben, Jokic and Grant/type of player, play a lot of weak side help defense, and Simmons is the only non-shooter on the court.
He would help with transition defense and fastbreaks in offense.
In a half-court sets, he would be an elite cutter and lob threat next to Jokic and 3rd elite, smart playmaker on the court at the same time. His speed would be enough for him to strecth the floor from his side as the only nonshooter, something like Westbrook at the end of the season for Houston

Have you watched the Nuggets play? Weakside help defense is definitely not something they are proficient at. The Nuggets don't typically have trouble with transition defense and since most of the Nuggets are adequate ball handlers at best, they can fast break whenever they want. They just don't do much more of that than the average team.

So you are proposing adding a player that isn't needed on offense and in fact, would allow defenses to clog the paint. That in turn would hurt Jokic's ability to drive and close off most of his passes to guys cutting to the bucket.

As I've suggested, his offense doesn't fit with the Nuggets - so he's basically only of value in the half-court defense.

Nope, just don't see any sense in adding Simmons.

I wanted to ignore this message..but anyways

yes, I watched all Nuggets games

"Weakside help defense is definitely not something they are proficient at." - I guess Simmons can help

"The Nuggets don't typically have trouble with transition defense" - If you say so

"they can fast break whenever they want. They just don't do much more of that than the average team" - Sure, few more points there would hurt

"So you are proposing adding a player that isn't needed on offense and in fact, would allow defenses to clog the paint. That in turn would hurt Jokic's ability to drive and close off most of his passes to guys cutting to the bucket." -
So i am proposing a player that would be a great upgrade to Denver's defense and quite useful in offense. I would like opposing teams to clog the paint. Denver is not Milwaukee. Jokic doesn't really drive, and Simmons would be a perfect cutting target

edit: Although Simmons drives, and Jokic can hit that 3

[skywalker33]

I'd like to see Ben Simmons in Denver

You'd have to give up a LOT to get Simmons, too much IMO. I do like his passing and defense but the rest of his game lack IMO.

[stoo]

I'd like to see Ben Simmons in Denver

You'd have to give up a LOT to get Simmons, too much IMO. I do like his passing and defense but the rest of his game lack IMO.

and cutting
but i do agree
and I don't see him being traded here anyways

I hope we will just sign VanVleet

[skywalker33]

Hope we will just sign VanVleet

Sorry Stoo, we don't have that kinda money, TOR is hoping to get him at $20M per year

[The Rebel]

I'd like to see Ben Simmons in Denver

You'd have to give up a LOT to get Simmons, too much IMO. I do like his passing and defense but the rest of his game lack IMO.

and cutting
but i do agree
and I don't see him being traded here anyways

I hope we will just sign VanVleet

Why a PG?

Personally I think we have some huge needs, but do not see the need for a PG at all unless Morris or Murray is getting traded.

[stoo]

You'd have to give up a LOT to get Simmons, too much IMO. I do like his passing and defense but the rest of his game lack IMO.

and cutting
but i do agree
and I don't see him being traded here anyways

I hope we will just sign VanVleet

Why a PG?

Personally I think we have some huge needs, but do not see the need for a PG at all unless Morris or Murray is getting traded.

Maybe you're right. We'll know quite a lot in next 5-15 days. I can't wait

[skywalker33]

Yeah, PG is the last position we need to address. I could see Wing or backup C as our top targets, my fav is still Gallo to come off the bench.

[NuggetsWY]

Yeah, PG is the last position we need to address. I could see Wing or backup C as our top targets, my fav is still Gallo to come off the bench.

My list (assuming we do not re-sign FAs except for Grant or trade any of our players):
1. Starting PF - Grant or equivalent (several options)
2. Backup Center w/experience - Dwight Howard or equivalent
3. Backup Center - young (maybe Bol off two-way)
4. Backup PF - in addition to Cancar

My Unlist:
1. Starting center
2. Starting PG
3. Starting SF
4. Backup PG
5. SG - starter & backup

[stoo]

I think it is extremly important to have 2 very good guards. That was my first impression after these playoffs. One that is above average defender, can play off the ball and as a first point, who can also create for himself. Jrue, Paul, Lowry are examples.
having a player like that improves offense so much, and especially offense like Denver's

I would really like to be in a run for VanVleet, and find a way to give him something like 4 years 90 millions, PO in 4th year, 4 years 100 mil, TO last year. He is perfect timeline for the rest of denver's core. Obviously, I see him as a part of the core in that case, and I can see Denver fo considering it and actually try to beat other teams in getting him. We also have MPJ for cheap for those few years at least

I think Denver will have a pick this year, whether 22nd, or some other. I think there are a lot of players that can be great 3&d guys, and I believe there is a big chance our FO choose wisely

Also I think Bol Bol is very underappreciated, even in Denver's part of ReaGM

If we get guard from FA, we'll use assets to acquire a bigger player.

[skywalker33]

I think it is extremly important to have 2 very good guards. That was my first impression after these playoffs. One that is above average defender, can play off the ball and as a first point, who can also create for himself. Jrue, Paul, Lowry are examples.
having a player like that improves offense so much, and especially offense like Denver's

I would really like to be in a run for VanVleet, and find a way to give him something like 4 years 90 millions, PO in 4th year, 4 years 100 mil, TO last year. He is perfect timeline for the rest of denver's core. Obviously, I see him as a part of the core in that case, and I can see Denver fo considering it and actually try to beat other teams in getting him. We also have MPJ for cheap for those few years at least

I think Denver will have a pick this year, whether 22nd, or some other. I think there are a lot of players that can be great 3&d guys, and I believe there is a big chance our FO choose wisely

Also I think Bol Bol is very underappreciated, even in Denver's part of ReaGM

If we get guard from FA, we'll use assets to acquire a bigger player.

As I stated earlier, we don't have a lot of cap space (at least w/o trading Harris and Barton), so every one of your suggestions is a reach based upon their current salaries. And signing FVV, Lowry or Paul moves Murray from the PG position, so much for current team chemistry. I also feel signing FVV would take touches and valuable development away from MPJ which I can assure you the Nuggets don't want. You seem to just want the BIG NAME and that really isn't the way of the Nuggets, we have built this team through the draft as they really haven't been a FA hub (maybe that'll change).

Agree with your draft summation, Desmond Bane fits your profile at 22, although he's not as athletic as you'd probably like at the SG position. Devin Vassell is my fav but he'll be out of our range, same with SF Saddig Bey.

Disagree about Bol, at least from Denver fans. I think there is a lot value there but his trade proposals that include him are to get a better asset (at least at the moment)

That'll be $.02 please....

[stoo]

I think it is extremly important to have 2 very good guards. That was my first impression after these playoffs. One that is above average defender, can play off the ball and as a first point, who can also create for himself. Jrue, Paul, Lowry are examples.
having a player like that improves offense so much, and especially offense like Denver's

I would really like to be in a run for VanVleet, and find a way to give him something like 4 years 90 millions, PO in 4th year, 4 years 100 mil, TO last year. He is perfect timeline for the rest of denver's core. Obviously, I see him as a part of the core in that case, and I can see Denver fo considering it and actually try to beat other teams in getting him. We also have MPJ for cheap for those few years at least

I think Denver will have a pick this year, whether 22nd, or some other. I think there are a lot of players that can be great 3&d guys, and I believe there is a big chance our FO choose wisely

Also I think Bol Bol is very underappreciated, even in Denver's part of ReaGM

If we get guard from FA, we'll use assets to acquire a bigger player.

As I stated earlier, we don't have a lot of cap space (at least w/o trading Harris and Barton), so every one of your suggestions is a reach based upon their current salaries. And signing FVV, Lowry or Paul moves Murray from the PG position, so much for current team chemistry. I also feel signing FVV would take touches and valuable development away from MPJ which I can assure you the Nuggets don't want. You seem to just want the BIG NAME and that really isn't the way of the Nuggets, we have built this team through the draft as they really haven't been a FA hub (maybe that'll change).

Agree with your draft summation, Desmond Bane fits your profile at 22, although he's not as athletic as you'd probably like at the SG position. Devin Vassell is my fav but he'll be out of our range, same with SF Saddig Bey.

Disagree about Bol, at least from Denver fans. I think there is a lot value there but his trade proposals that include him are to get a better asset (at least at the moment)

That'll be $.02 please....

I understand what you are saying, but thinking about 2nd top guard is the least motivated by his big name. I know it would be very expensive, so not a great probability of happening.
My idea is that we have 4 players on the court with the same amount of shots, Jokic, Murray, MPJ, VanVleet/Jrue/Oladipo. That is top 3 offense in the league. I don't think it should be seen as a problem, taking away shots from Murray, if it's taken by a good player with similar efficiency and it helps team run better offence. Having 3 creators on the court, will also allow MPJ to get in better positions to score. Having 2nd top guard is also neccessery if it happens that Murray has to skip games, especially in playoffs

That's also the case with backup C. but because IMO it's less useful having 2 top centers on the court than 2 top guards, you can have 2 average/above average centers to cover for Jokic

5th guy is Grant. He can focus on defense and let the oportunities come to him in offense.
I think possibility of him leaving is a little overlooked. If that happens, at least it would open some cap space, and I was actually thinking about PFs when talking about draft. I think it is easier to find a player in 15-60 range that can fit Grant's role than Jrue's. Maybe 2-3 years of college, hustles, can hit some 3...

[The Rebel]

I think it is extremly important to have 2 very good guards. That was my first impression after these playoffs. One that is above average defender, can play off the ball and as a first point, who can also create for himself. Jrue, Paul, Lowry are examples.
having a player like that improves offense so much, and especially offense like Denver's

I would really like to be in a run for VanVleet, and find a way to give him something like 4 years 90 millions, PO in 4th year, 4 years 100 mil, TO last year. He is perfect timeline for the rest of denver's core. Obviously, I see him as a part of the core in that case, and I can see Denver fo considering it and actually try to beat other teams in getting him. We also have MPJ for cheap for those few years at least

I think Denver will have a pick this year, whether 22nd, or some other. I think there are a lot of players that can be great 3&d guys, and I believe there is a big chance our FO choose wisely

Also I think Bol Bol is very underappreciated, even in Denver's part of ReaGM

If we get guard from FA, we'll use assets to acquire a bigger player.

Did we watch the same playoffs? the Lakers did not have a single true good offensive guard unless you count Rondo. While Herro hit some big shots the strength of the Heat team was at forward and Center. The Celtics best players are 2 forwards and a guard. The Rockets, Thunder, Jazz, Raptors, and Trailblazers all flamed out early with 2 good to great guards.

The biggest thing that I saw was that perimeter defense is more important than ever, The Lakers won the championship with really good perimeter defense, the Heat had really good perimeter defense, when we got Harris back we had good perimeter defense, The Celtics had good perimeter defense. The Rockets, Jazz, Thunder, Trailblazers, and Mavericks all went down early because they did not have good perimeter defense.

Now we did have trouble creating offense when Jokic and Murray were off the court, but I do not see a big name guard as the answer. A guy like that takes the ball away from Murray and JOkic and would be no different than having Barton on the court with the ball in his hands. We need a bench guy who can create for himself and others, and believe it or not we have 2 of them. 1 Dozier showed he had the ability to do it in the playoffs, the other Barton was out for whatever reason.

Also MPJ is only cheap 2 more years, in 3 years we have to extend Jokic or lose him, we have no more cap space for the forseeable future. The team signing Murray to a max deal a year early killed that chance.

As for Bol, I actually think you overrate him based on a handful of meaningless games. There was a reason the Suns won every game, and that was that none of the good teams cared about those games being anything more than tuneup games like summer league or preseason games. Bol showed he can play in the league but did nothing of note in a meaningful game. If we can trade him for upgrades that contribute immediately than I see no reason not to.

[skywalker33]

I think it is extremly important to have 2 very good guards. That was my first impression after these playoffs. One that is above average defender, can play off the ball and as a first point, who can also create for himself. Jrue, Paul, Lowry are examples.
having a player like that improves offense so much, and especially offense like Denver's

I would really like to be in a run for VanVleet, and find a way to give him something like 4 years 90 millions, PO in 4th year, 4 years 100 mil, TO last year. He is perfect timeline for the rest of denver's core. Obviously, I see him as a part of the core in that case, and I can see Denver fo considering it and actually try to beat other teams in getting him. We also have MPJ for cheap for those few years at least

I think Denver will have a pick this year, whether 22nd, or some other. I think there are a lot of players that can be great 3&d guys, and I believe there is a big chance our FO choose wisely

Also I think Bol Bol is very underappreciated, even in Denver's part of ReaGM

If we get guard from FA, we'll use assets to acquire a bigger player.

As I stated earlier, we don't have a lot of cap space (at least w/o trading Harris and Barton), so every one of your suggestions is a reach based upon their current salaries. And signing FVV, Lowry or Paul moves Murray from the PG position, so much for current team chemistry. I also feel signing FVV would take touches and valuable development away from MPJ which I can assure you the Nuggets don't want. You seem to just want the BIG NAME and that really isn't the way of the Nuggets, we have built this team through the draft as they really haven't been a FA hub (maybe that'll change).

Agree with your draft summation, Desmond Bane fits your profile at 22, although he's not as athletic as you'd probably like at the SG position. Devin Vassell is my fav but he'll be out of our range, same with SF Saddig Bey.

Disagree about Bol, at least from Denver fans. I think there is a lot value there but his trade proposals that include him are to get a better asset (at least at the moment)

That'll be $.02 please....

I understand what you are saying, but thinking about 2nd top guard is the least motivated by his big name. I know it would be very expensive, so not a great probability of happening.
My idea is that we have 4 players on the court with the same amount of shots, Jokic, Murray, MPJ, VanVleet/Jrue/Oladipo. That is top 3 offense in the league. I don't think it should be seen as a problem, taking away shots from Murray, if it's taken by a good player with similar efficiency and it helps team run better offence. Having 3 creators on the court, will also allow MPJ to get in better positions to score. Having 2nd top guard is also neccessery if it happens that Murray has to skip games, especially in playoffs

That's also the case with backup C. but because IMO it's less useful having 2 top centers on the court than 2 top guards, you can have 2 average/above average centers to cover for Jokic

5th guy is Grant. He can focus on defense and let the oportunities come to him in offense.
I think possibility of him leaving is a little overlooked. If that happens, at least it would open some cap space, and I was actually thinking about PFs when talking about draft. I think it is easier to find a player in 15-60 range that can fit Grant's role than Jrue's. Maybe 2-3 years of college, hustles, can hit some 3...

Stoo, you are an optimist, that's for sure. Did you notice the playoffs ?? Who took the most shots, was it spread out evenly ?? No, Murray and Jokic took most of the shots for us, AD and LeBron for the Lakers. Rarely does a team get to spread out shots to every quality player, realistically that prohibits a shooter rhythm. I, personally, do hope MPJ gets a few more shots this season to help establish himself, but ever heard the saying "too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the broth" ??? Same concept.

What I prefer is building on team chemistry and adding another player who demands HIS shots isn't that type of player and I feel that's the direction the Nuggets have always gone and will continue to do so. And let's be honest, adding more of MPJ into the offense isn't going to be easy with such a short off-season, how are we gonna do it by adding yet another player ?? This team has been built thru the draft, I for one would like to see that continue.

Out of the players you covet, I'd say Jrue is the most likely (if we can get him at a reasonable cost) as I think he would get his place in our offense, he'd find a way to fit in.