Nuggets Trades

[gobullschi]

Are you really bringing up Barton's injury history while trying to push Otto Porter JR on us? Porter JR has missed more games than either Harris or Barton the last 2 years, he is far more injury prone then either of our guys.

LMAO, I half way think you are trolling, or you have no idea how good Barton and Harris both are. The difference between Barton and a healthy Otto Porter JR is not Gary Harris. Harris is an elite perimeter defender, arguably the best in the league and while he has struggled with his shot, that is a very big need for contenders.

Literally the only thing Porter JR has on Barton is that he is a better shooter on spot up shots. IN the last 2 years Barton is easily the better player at creating his own shot, creating for others, and is a clearly better defender throughout their careers. Fact is I would not trade Barton straight up for Otto Porter JR.

As for upgrading SF, considering he would be the 3rd best SF on the roster I fail to see how he is an upgrade.

Easy no from the Nuggets.

You sound like a homer. Garry Harris averaged 10PPG while being paid 20 million a year. GTFO

You’re avoiding the point of the trade, but maybe it’s because you both don’t see Denver as a free agent destination. Being able to add a guy like Paul George, Giannis, etc in 2021 gives Denver their ‘Big Three’. (Jokic, Murray, George) Not to mention that MPJ is emerging.

The benefit of this deal is that you get an expiring contract AND a player that helps you contend.

Bulls would have 0 interest in Barton or Harris. It’s the draft asset that they would be targeting.

Did you really just call me a homer while talking about how we should trade 2 starting quality players for Otto Porter JR? You GTFO, even posters on the Bulls board said the Nuggets would never do your deal, yet you come here defending it and proving you are the homer.

Harris is arguably the best perimeter defender in the league, being that he is the 5th option in our offense his points mean nothing. The fact that you think they do show how little you know about our team, and how little you understand about basketball.

LMAO, the Bulls don't want 2 upgrades on their team, they want a future pick. There is a reason even other Bulls fans are telling you the pick is going the wrong way.

As for MPJ emerging, why would you propose a trade for a guy who plays the same position then?

Maybe you missed it, I know the Bulls were at home so you maybe you weren't paying attention, we were in the Western Conference finals this year, a year ago we were a handful of possessions away from the conference finals, we are not worried about getting a psuedo star like George in a year so maybe we can compete then, we want to win games now. Harris and Barton are each bigger contributors towards that by themselves than Otto Porter JR would be.

I can pull up the stats to show why Barton is a better player than Otto Porter JR, but I suspect you took a look yourself and realized how dumb you are by pushing this trade and than attacking me when I laughed at you.

Got it. You do not see Denver as a FA destination and see no value in freeing up the salary for a third star.

[skywalker33]

Otto Porter Jr. is in a contract year and reportedly in phenomenal shape. I suggested the deal at the deadline assuming he has stayed healthy to shave off some of the risk. Porter doesn’t make Denver a FA destination (improves SF tho), but his contract creates the opportunity to add a max free agent.

If you want the Bulls to add a first rounder and Hutchison you’ve completely removed all the value for Chicago. The deal is as originally proposed or it’s not worth discussing, which is fine.

I had a hard time putting a value on Harris and Barton after Harris’s play has fallen off a cliff and Barton’s injury history.

Are you really bringing up Barton's injury history while trying to push Otto Porter JR on us? Porter JR has missed more games than either Harris or Barton the last 2 years, he is far more injury prone then either of our guys.

LMAO, I half way think you are trolling, or you have no idea how good Barton and Harris both are. The difference between Barton and a healthy Otto Porter JR is not Gary Harris. Harris is an elite perimeter defender, arguably the best in the league and while he has struggled with his shot, that is a very big need for contenders.

Literally the only thing Porter JR has on Barton is that he is a better shooter on spot up shots. IN the last 2 years Barton is easily the better player at creating his own shot, creating for others, and is a clearly better defender throughout their careers. Fact is I would not trade Barton straight up for Otto Porter JR.

As for upgrading SF, considering he would be the 3rd best SF on the roster I fail to see how he is an upgrade.

Easy no from the Nuggets.

You sound like a homer. Garry Harris averaged 10PPG while being paid 20 million a year. GTFO

You’re avoiding the point of the trade, but maybe it’s because you both don’t see Denver as a free agent destination. Being able to add a guy like Paul George, Giannis, etc in 2021 gives Denver their ‘Big Three’. (Jokic, Murray, George) Not to mention that MPJ is emerging.

The benefit of this deal is that you get an expiring contract AND a player that helps you contend.

Bulls would have 0 interest in Barton or Harris. It’s the draft asset that they would be targeting.

That's precious coming from a guy who's offering a player who is being paid $29M for playing an average of 31 games over the past 4 years, talk about a HOMER ?!!

As for our Cap situation, when both Barton and Harris expire, MPJ's contract comes due and HE IS part of our Big three so we really don't need to build our hope and (delusional) dreams on player like Giannis.

As for helping us contend, WE'RE ALREADY IN CONTENTION . And if the Bulls have no interest in Barton/Harris that's probably why your team is still in the lottery, poor player evaluation/fit, not everyone has to be a star. Denver also lives off the draft moreso than free agency, but as Rebel noted, you really don't know a lot about the Nuggets.

Yes, there are some benefits to this deal but it benefits CHI more than it does the Nuggets.

[The Rebel]

You sound like a homer. Garry Harris averaged 10PPG while being paid 20 million a year. GTFO

You’re avoiding the point of the trade, but maybe it’s because you both don’t see Denver as a free agent destination. Being able to add a guy like Paul George, Giannis, etc in 2021 gives Denver their ‘Big Three’. (Jokic, Murray, George) Not to mention that MPJ is emerging.

The benefit of this deal is that you get an expiring contract AND a player that helps you contend.

Bulls would have 0 interest in Barton or Harris. It’s the draft asset that they would be targeting.

Did you really just call me a homer while talking about how we should trade 2 starting quality players for Otto Porter JR? You GTFO, even posters on the Bulls board said the Nuggets would never do your deal, yet you come here defending it and proving you are the homer.

Harris is arguably the best perimeter defender in the league, being that he is the 5th option in our offense his points mean nothing. The fact that you think they do show how little you know about our team, and how little you understand about basketball.

LMAO, the Bulls don't want 2 upgrades on their team, they want a future pick. There is a reason even other Bulls fans are telling you the pick is going the wrong way.

As for MPJ emerging, why would you propose a trade for a guy who plays the same position then?

Maybe you missed it, I know the Bulls were at home so you maybe you weren't paying attention, we were in the Western Conference finals this year, a year ago we were a handful of possessions away from the conference finals, we are not worried about getting a psuedo star like George in a year so maybe we can compete then, we want to win games now. Harris and Barton are each bigger contributors towards that by themselves than Otto Porter JR would be.

I can pull up the stats to show why Barton is a better player than Otto Porter JR, but I suspect you took a look yourself and realized how dumb you are by pushing this trade and than attacking me when I laughed at you.

Got it. You do not see Denver as a FA destination and see no value in freeing up the salary for a third star.

Got it, you are such a homer that you cannot grasp the concept that a contender is not willing to give up 2 starting quality players and a pick to make your team better now and in the future while downgrading from a contender to give you that.

[gobullschi]

Did you really just call me a homer while talking about how we should trade 2 starting quality players for Otto Porter JR? You GTFO, even posters on the Bulls board said the Nuggets would never do your deal, yet you come here defending it and proving you are the homer.

Harris is arguably the best perimeter defender in the league, being that he is the 5th option in our offense his points mean nothing. The fact that you think they do show how little you know about our team, and how little you understand about basketball.

LMAO, the Bulls don't want 2 upgrades on their team, they want a future pick. There is a reason even other Bulls fans are telling you the pick is going the wrong way.

As for MPJ emerging, why would you propose a trade for a guy who plays the same position then?

Maybe you missed it, I know the Bulls were at home so you maybe you weren't paying attention, we were in the Western Conference finals this year, a year ago we were a handful of possessions away from the conference finals, we are not worried about getting a psuedo star like George in a year so maybe we can compete then, we want to win games now. Harris and Barton are each bigger contributors towards that by themselves than Otto Porter JR would be.

I can pull up the stats to show why Barton is a better player than Otto Porter JR, but I suspect you took a look yourself and realized how dumb you are by pushing this trade and than attacking me when I laughed at you.

Got it. You do not see Denver as a FA destination and see no value in freeing up the salary for a third star.

Got it, you are such a homer that you cannot grasp the concept that a contender is not willing to give up 2 starting quality players and a pick to make your team better now and in the future while downgrading from a contender to give you that.

Not at all. In my OP, I admitted that I wasn’t sure what kind of value Garry Harris and Will Barton had. Personally, I find Harris extremely overpaid for the production your getting (negative value). Barton was a little more of a mystery to me. I see OPJ as the better player (if healthy), but we can agree to disagree.

As I’ve stated in each post, I view Denver as the top FA destination (if you had cap space) in 2021 because you have 2 young stars and a plethora of young talent locked up on cheap long deals. This part of my post has been routinely ignored.

The Bulls traded a 1st rounder in 2010 to have cap space to try and sign LBJ, Wade, or Bosh. It’s not an unusual concept.

I don’t blame you for wanting to stand pat.

[NuggetsWY]

Trade deadline deal:

Otto Porter Jr. & 2021 2nd for Gary Harris, Will Barton, & 2021 1st (lottery protected)

Denver upgrades at SF and clears enough cap space to sign a max free agent in 2021. Denver would be a top FA destination in 2021 with 2 stars already locked up on long-term deals and a good group of young talent (MPJ, Bol Bol, Zeke Nnaji, Hampton) for sustained success.

As suggested, the trade works financially, but it leaves Denver without a shooting guard and at one time, I was a big fan of Otto Porter. But I just don't see this working in Denver. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't object to adding Otto Porter but that's way too much money for a backup SF that can't really play SG and we have enough SFs that can play PF. Even his salary doesn't bother me much, since it's just one year. But I can't see Denver being interested because of the shooting guard situation.

Murray can play shooting guard and Morris can play PG with Dozier as their backup but if there is a single injury to any of them, we'd be bringing in a rookie and for a contender, that doesn't usually work.

How about Chicago throws in Hutchison and Denver adds a 2025 1st. I could actually go for that one.

Otto Porter Jr. & Hutchinson & 2021 2nd
for
Gary Harris & Will Barton & 2021 1st & 2025 1st

[gobullschi]

Trade deadline deal:

Otto Porter Jr. & 2021 2nd for Gary Harris, Will Barton, & 2021 1st (lottery protected)

Denver upgrades at SF and clears enough cap space to sign a max free agent in 2021. Denver would be a top FA destination in 2021 with 2 stars already locked up on long-term deals and a good group of young talent (MPJ, Bol Bol, Zeke Nnaji, Hampton) for sustained success.

As suggested, the trade works financially, but it leaves Denver without a shooting guard and at one time, I was a big fan of Otto Porter. But I just don't see this working in Denver. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't object to adding Otto Porter but that's way too much money for a backup SF that can't really play SG and we have enough SFs that can play PF. Even his salary doesn't bother me much, since it's just one year. But I can't see Denver being interested because of the shooting guard situation.

Murray can play shooting guard and Morris can play PG with Dozier as their backup but if there is a single injury to any of them, we'd be bringing in a rookie and for a contender, that doesn't usually work.

How about Chicago throws in Hutchison and Denver adds a 2025 1st. I could actually go for that one.

Otto Porter Jr. & Hutchinson & 2021 2nd
for
Gary Harris & Will Barton & 2021 1st & 2025 1st

Bulls would say yes. They need as many draft picks as possible.

[skywalker33]

Trade deadline deal:

Otto Porter Jr. & 2021 2nd for Gary Harris, Will Barton, & 2021 1st (lottery protected)

Denver upgrades at SF and clears enough cap space to sign a max free agent in 2021. Denver would be a top FA destination in 2021 with 2 stars already locked up on long-term deals and a good group of young talent (MPJ, Bol Bol, Zeke Nnaji, Hampton) for sustained success.

As suggested, the trade works financially, but it leaves Denver without a shooting guard and at one time, I was a big fan of Otto Porter. But I just don't see this working in Denver. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't object to adding Otto Porter but that's way too much money for a backup SF that can't really play SG and we have enough SFs that can play PF. Even his salary doesn't bother me much, since it's just one year. But I can't see Denver being interested because of the shooting guard situation.

Murray can play shooting guard and Morris can play PG with Dozier as their backup but if there is a single injury to any of them, we'd be bringing in a rookie and for a contender, that doesn't usually work.

How about Chicago throws in Hutchison and Denver adds a 2025 1st. I could actually go for that one.

Otto Porter Jr. & Hutchinson & 2021 2nd
for
Gary Harris & Will Barton & 2021 1st & 2025 1st

No Way are adding TWO 1st for a 3-mo rental and their 3rd SG, all for cap space we could get the following year when we need it. Get real WY, Nuggets would run from that one.

[NuggetsWY]

Trade deadline deal:

Otto Porter Jr. & 2021 2nd for Gary Harris, Will Barton, & 2021 1st (lottery protected)

Denver upgrades at SF and clears enough cap space to sign a max free agent in 2021. Denver would be a top FA destination in 2021 with 2 stars already locked up on long-term deals and a good group of young talent (MPJ, Bol Bol, Zeke Nnaji, Hampton) for sustained success.

As suggested, the trade works financially, but it leaves Denver without a shooting guard and at one time, I was a big fan of Otto Porter. But I just don't see this working in Denver. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't object to adding Otto Porter but that's way too much money for a backup SF that can't really play SG and we have enough SFs that can play PF. Even his salary doesn't bother me much, since it's just one year. But I can't see Denver being interested because of the shooting guard situation.

Murray can play shooting guard and Morris can play PG with Dozier as their backup but if there is a single injury to any of them, we'd be bringing in a rookie and for a contender, that doesn't usually work.

How about Chicago throws in Hutchison and Denver adds a 2025 1st. I could actually go for that one.

Otto Porter Jr. & Hutchinson & 2021 2nd
for
Gary Harris & Will Barton & 2021 1st & 2025 1st

No Way are adding TWO 1st for a 3-mo rental and their 3rd SG, all for cap space we could get the following year when we need it. Get real WY, Nuggets would run from that one.

I don't see Hutchison as a 3rd SG - not sure he's a #1, but he might be. Harris has two years left. Barton has one year plus a PO. So it could be the summer of 2022 before we free up that much space. So they are one year past Otto Porter, I get that. I'm fairly certain the Nuggets wouldn't do this deal, especially because Malone loves Barton & Harris, but I'm not convinced it's a bad deal.

[THE J0KER]

As suggested, the trade works financially, but it leaves Denver without a shooting guard and at one time, I was a big fan of Otto Porter. But I just don't see this working in Denver. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't object to adding Otto Porter but that's way too much money for a backup SF that can't really play SG and we have enough SFs that can play PF. Even his salary doesn't bother me much, since it's just one year. But I can't see Denver being interested because of the shooting guard situation.

Murray can play shooting guard and Morris can play PG with Dozier as their backup but if there is a single injury to any of them, we'd be bringing in a rookie and for a contender, that doesn't usually work.

How about Chicago throws in Hutchison and Denver adds a 2025 1st. I could actually go for that one.

Otto Porter Jr. & Hutchinson & 2021 2nd
for
Gary Harris & Will Barton & 2021 1st & 2025 1st

No Way are adding TWO 1st for a 3-mo rental and their 3rd SG, all for cap space we could get the following year when we need it. Get real WY, Nuggets would run from that one.

I don't see Hutchison as a 3rd SG - not sure he's a #1, but he might be. Harris has two years left. Barton has one year plus a PO. So it could be the summer of 2022 before we free up that much space. So they are one year past Otto Porter, I get that. I'm fairly certain the Nuggets wouldn't do this deal, especially because Malone loves Barton & Harris, but I'm not convinced it's a bad deal.

Every trade with Otto Porter is a big gamble. The guy was so promising two-way player with 14-7 60TS% back-to-back seasons in a playoff team, but something bad happens past two seasons playing for tanking Bulls.

[skywalker33]

As suggested, the trade works financially, but it leaves Denver without a shooting guard and at one time, I was a big fan of Otto Porter. But I just don't see this working in Denver. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't object to adding Otto Porter but that's way too much money for a backup SF that can't really play SG and we have enough SFs that can play PF. Even his salary doesn't bother me much, since it's just one year. But I can't see Denver being interested because of the shooting guard situation.

Murray can play shooting guard and Morris can play PG with Dozier as their backup but if there is a single injury to any of them, we'd be bringing in a rookie and for a contender, that doesn't usually work.

How about Chicago throws in Hutchison and Denver adds a 2025 1st. I could actually go for that one.

Otto Porter Jr. & Hutchinson & 2021 2nd
for
Gary Harris & Will Barton & 2021 1st & 2025 1st

No Way are adding TWO 1st for a 3-mo rental and their 3rd SG, all for cap space we could get the following year when we need it. Get real WY, Nuggets would run from that one.

I don't see Hutchison as a 3rd SG - not sure he's a #1, but he might be. Harris has two years left. Barton has one year plus a PO. So it could be the summer of 2022 before we free up that much space. So they are one year past Otto Porter, I get that. I'm fairly certain the Nuggets wouldn't do this deal, especially because Malone loves Barton & Harris, but I'm not convinced it's a bad deal.

You're correct, I should have noted he is listed as their 3rd string SF, not SG (where I'd like to see him play here). With the Bulls selecting Williams at 4, he will be a backup regardless. The issue I have is not moving Harris/Barton, it's more adding TWO 1sts for an injury-prone guy we'd only see for 2mos. We have built this team thru the draft, not free agency, as to me that's where the overpayment mistakes are made. With us already having traded a 1st for RJ, I'd like to retain our flexibility. Besides if we really want Hutchison, I'm betting he could be had in a much cheaper deal, he's hasn't made a huge difference in CHI, we'd be gambling on his development here. Then there's the issue of RJ, whom we'd be expecting to take over for Harris in a couple of years, he looks to have a higher ceiling than Hutchison. I see Barton (off the bench) as the role Hutch to assume.

[The Rebel]

So, can we do this trade:

DEN trades Barton, Cancar
SAC trades Bogdanovic, 2021 2nd

Maybe the best offer SAC gets to at least salvage something from that ATL offer sheet.

It should work financially but it will be close because Bogdanovic reportedly had a 15% trade kicker put into the deal. Bogdanovic is also under a no trade for the 1st year if the Kings match the deal, so he would have to want to come here.

With the choice of coming to a title contender playing with his buddy, Jokic, do you think he'd say no ?? He could easily be a starting SG on this team, surely better than ATL or SAC. And when does that 15% trade kicker come into play ?? We could up that bid a little, seems it solves the Barton issue, improves the team and could solidify one of our weakest position at SG

I still find it odd how we never seemed to pursue Bogdanovic, but I wonder if that rumor that we were interested in Heild was actually our front office trying to find out what it would cost for a sign and trade.

I am not sure we want to trade Cancar, if he really is a good defender like the rumors out of the team indicate than we need as many SF/PF defenders as we can get but I can see it working .

What if we expanded the deal with the 76ers?

Kings get Barton and Thybulle
76ers get Morris and Cancar
we get Bogdanovic and Bjelica with 76ers 1st round pick

It lets the Kings move Barnes to PF and start Barton, giving them 2 good defensive forwards and allows them to develop Thybulle, as they are going to need defense with a young back court and Heild.

76ers get their starting PG

We get our bench scorer that can also cover decent guys and an upgrade at PF who can shoot and is a solid defender.

[The Rebel]

As suggested, the trade works financially, but it leaves Denver without a shooting guard and at one time, I was a big fan of Otto Porter. But I just don't see this working in Denver. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't object to adding Otto Porter but that's way too much money for a backup SF that can't really play SG and we have enough SFs that can play PF. Even his salary doesn't bother me much, since it's just one year. But I can't see Denver being interested because of the shooting guard situation.

Murray can play shooting guard and Morris can play PG with Dozier as their backup but if there is a single injury to any of them, we'd be bringing in a rookie and for a contender, that doesn't usually work.

How about Chicago throws in Hutchison and Denver adds a 2025 1st. I could actually go for that one.

Otto Porter Jr. & Hutchinson & 2021 2nd
for
Gary Harris & Will Barton & 2021 1st & 2025 1st

No Way are adding TWO 1st for a 3-mo rental and their 3rd SG, all for cap space we could get the following year when we need it. Get real WY, Nuggets would run from that one.

I don't see Hutchison as a 3rd SG - not sure he's a #1, but he might be. Harris has two years left. Barton has one year plus a PO. So it could be the summer of 2022 before we free up that much space. So they are one year past Otto Porter, I get that. I'm fairly certain the Nuggets wouldn't do this deal, especially because Malone loves Barton & Harris, but I'm not convinced it's a bad deal.

You would realize how bad of a deal it is if you go look at his numbers and videos from the last 2 years. When he is on the court he cannot create his own shot anymore. He has always been overrated as a defender, now he is at best an average defender. It is no secret that I was pissed when the Wizards salary dumped him for expirings and we did not bother to beat their offer. With his injury issues that have obviously affected his game he would at best be the 3rd best SF on our roster. Advanced stats put his effectiveness at about the same as what we got from Grant all season. No way will the front office give up Harris, Barton, and 2 picks for him and a bench SF.

Also I like Hutchison, you can see me bringing up his name a lot in this thread, but let's not over rate the guy. He is about as good of a defender as Craig, and while he was playing injured half of last season, he shot about as well as Craig did as well. I think he is a better player than that, but I am not gambling that kind of package on him at all, and our front office would die laughing at the idea.

[The Rebel]

No Way are adding TWO 1st for a 3-mo rental and their 3rd SG, all for cap space we could get the following year when we need it. Get real WY, Nuggets would run from that one.

I don't see Hutchison as a 3rd SG - not sure he's a #1, but he might be. Harris has two years left. Barton has one year plus a PO. So it could be the summer of 2022 before we free up that much space. So they are one year past Otto Porter, I get that. I'm fairly certain the Nuggets wouldn't do this deal, especially because Malone loves Barton & Harris, but I'm not convinced it's a bad deal.

Every trade with Otto Porter is a big gamble. The guy was so promising two-way player with 14-7 60TS% back-to-back seasons in a playoff team, but something bad happens past two seasons playing for tanking Bulls.

The Bulls weren't tanking the last 2 years, they were just bad, which is why Arturus is now running the front office and they changed coaches. A big reason for them being so bad has been Otto.

He broke a bone in his foot and then tried to come back top early leading to more foot problems and has cost him most of the games he has missed. It reminds me a lot of Ilgauskas's injury years ago, which lead to him missing most of 4 out of 5 seasons and forced him to totally change his game because he just could not move the same anymore after the injury.

[THE J0KER]

Kings get Barton and Thybulle
76ers get Morris and Cancar
we get Bogdanovic and Bjelica with 76ers 1st round pick

Sorry, but this is another "too good to be true" deal.

If you want this work you must, unfortunately, send at least Zeke Nnaji or 2021 first instead of Cancar (if not our best young asset Bol), and redirect that Sixers FRP to Kings instead of Nuggets. But even with those changes, it would be still very interesting for the Nuggets, especially for "WIN NOW" purposes Nuggets will be a more competitive team after such a change, while the Kings and Sixers would get what they need.

[The Rebel]

Kings get Barton and Thybulle
76ers get Morris and Cancar
we get Bogdanovic and Bjelica with 76ers 1st round pick

Sorry, but this is another "too good to be true" deal.

If you want this work you must, unfortunately, send at least Zeke Nnaji or 2021 first instead of Cancar (if not our best young asset Bol), and redirect that Sixers FRP to Kings instead of Nuggets. But even with those changes, it would be still very interesting for the Nuggets, especially for "WIN NOW" purposes Nuggets will be a more competitive team after such a change, while the Kings and Sixers would get what they need.

LMAO, Once again I think you dramatically under rate the value of our guys and overrating other players. Why do you hate Barton and Harris? Have you really even looked around the league at what so many of these others stars actually do on the court? Have you looked at their stats?

Morris is a starting quality PG, that has a lot of value in this league.

Barton is a top 10 SF in this league and is the best player in the deal, the numbers all say it, and as a starter he is underpaid. While the injuries affect his value around the league, we are not getting some big upgrade.

I hate to be the one to tell you but the only player coming back to us with value is Bogdanovic, the Kings have been shopping Bjelica since they changed front offices and nobody wants to take him. While Bogdanovic is a better scorer than Barton, Barton is easily a better shot creator for others, a better defender, and on a much better contract. The only reason we would trade Barton for Bogdanovic is that he has a long history of being willing to come off the bench and play whatever role is asked of him, Barton has long insisted on starting.

[gobullschi]

I don't see Hutchison as a 3rd SG - not sure he's a #1, but he might be. Harris has two years left. Barton has one year plus a PO. So it could be the summer of 2022 before we free up that much space. So they are one year past Otto Porter, I get that. I'm fairly certain the Nuggets wouldn't do this deal, especially because Malone loves Barton & Harris, but I'm not convinced it's a bad deal.

Every trade with Otto Porter is a big gamble. The guy was so promising two-way player with 14-7 60TS% back-to-back seasons in a playoff team, but something bad happens past two seasons playing for tanking Bulls.

The Bulls weren't tanking the last 2 years, they were just bad, which is why Arturus is now running the front office and they changed coaches. A big reason for them being so bad has been Otto.

He broke a bone in his foot and then tried to come back top early leading to more foot problems and has cost him most of the games he has missed. It reminds me a lot of Ilgauskas's injury years ago, which lead to him missing most of 4 out of 5 seasons and forced him to totally change his game because he just could not move the same anymore after the injury.

I haven’t heard one person on the Bulls board ever make the suggestion that OPJs injury last year is going to be a lingering issue and there are a lot of pessimistic people there. Is this a gut feeling you have or is it based on something factual?

OPJ came to camp overweight and out of shape. Many speculate it had to do with Jim Boylen who was hated by all of the players (fans too). Even the Bulls 2nd round pick was bashing him in public.

FYI: The Bulls haven’t been tanking the past two years. They’ve just been devastated by injuries. (3 starters out last year)

[The Rebel]

One team I see that is trying their best to win now is the Hawks. While they may or may not have Bogdanovic, they signed Gallo with the plans on him playing SF and backup PF. I don't think that will work, he has slowed down too much to be an effective SF especially on defense where he cannot keep up with the smaller young guys. I think he will be considered a bad contract by them as we get to the trade deadline.

If we keep the roster as is now, we will need a PF upgrade before the playoffs unless 1 of the young guys surprises us. I love what Millsap has given to this team and appreciate him coming back, but he nor Green are the short or long term answer there. Plus Millsap has a home and business in Atlanta, so it could make a lot of sense for him to end his career there.

While of course there would have to be more pieces, what would you guys say about trading Millsap and say Barton for Gallinari and a young player and/or picks? Would you do it on that big contract he just signed? Would the front office do it?

[The Rebel]

Every trade with Otto Porter is a big gamble. The guy was so promising two-way player with 14-7 60TS% back-to-back seasons in a playoff team, but something bad happens past two seasons playing for tanking Bulls.

The Bulls weren't tanking the last 2 years, they were just bad, which is why Arturus is now running the front office and they changed coaches. A big reason for them being so bad has been Otto.

He broke a bone in his foot and then tried to come back top early leading to more foot problems and has cost him most of the games he has missed. It reminds me a lot of Ilgauskas's injury years ago, which lead to him missing most of 4 out of 5 seasons and forced him to totally change his game because he just could not move the same anymore after the injury.

I haven’t heard one person on the Bulls board ever make the suggestion that OPJs injury last year is going to be a lingering issue and there are a lot of pessimistic people there. Is this a gut feeling you have or is it based on something factual?

OPJ came to camp overweight and out of shape. Many speculate it had to do with Jim Boylen who was hated by all of the players (fans too). Even the Bulls 2nd round pick was bashing him in public.

FYI: The Bulls haven’t been tanking the past two years. They’ve just been devastated by injuries. (3 starters out last year)

I don't care what people on the Bulls board say about a players injury issues, last I checked they are not Doctors that are treating him. I can easily read the same articles and follow the same reporters on twitter.


OPJ broke his foot, a month later he reinjured his foot and made the break worse, another month later he had another set back with his foot. Did he not? I can link you to the articles that talk about it if you cannot remember it. The last 2 players I remember that had that situation were Illgauskas and Grant Hill. Both had minor bones break in their foot that kept getting reinjured and caused other leg injuries in Hill's case. It took years before either of them were -able to avoid leg injuries and play again, and neither were ever the same.

[gobullschi]

The Bulls weren't tanking the last 2 years, they were just bad, which is why Arturus is now running the front office and they changed coaches. A big reason for them being so bad has been Otto.

He broke a bone in his foot and then tried to come back top early leading to more foot problems and has cost him most of the games he has missed. It reminds me a lot of Ilgauskas's injury years ago, which lead to him missing most of 4 out of 5 seasons and forced him to totally change his game because he just could not move the same anymore after the injury.

I haven’t heard one person on the Bulls board ever make the suggestion that OPJs injury last year is going to be a lingering issue and there are a lot of pessimistic people there. Is this a gut feeling you have or is it based on something factual?

OPJ came to camp overweight and out of shape. Many speculate it had to do with Jim Boylen who was hated by all of the players (fans too). Even the Bulls 2nd round pick was bashing him in public.

FYI: The Bulls haven’t been tanking the past two years. They’ve just been devastated by injuries. (3 starters out last year)

I don't care what people on the Bulls board say about a players injury issues, last I checked they are not Doctors that are treating him. I can easily read the same articles and follow the same reporters on twitter.


OPJ broke his foot, a month later he reinjured his foot and made the break worse, another month later he had another set back with his foot. Did he not? I can link you to the articles that talk about it if you cannot remember it. The last 2 players I remember that had that situation were Illgauskas and Grant Hill. Both had minor bones break in their foot that kept getting reinjured and caused other leg injuries in Hill's case. It took years before either of them were -able to avoid leg injuries and play again, and neither were ever the same.

I’m not familiar with the specifics of Grant Hill or Illgauskas’s injuries. Was it the same bone? Same location of the foot?

Genuinely intrigued because as I said, I haven’t heard one person bring this up. If they’re the same that’s brutal news.

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I haven’t heard one person on the Bulls board ever make the suggestion that OPJs injury last year is going to be a lingering issue and there are a lot of pessimistic people there. Is this a gut feeling you have or is it based on something factual?

Well, would you expect anyone to naysay one of the Bulls own ?? And what about the previous THREE years, dude has averaged playing 31 games over the past 4 years, history say's "injury-prone"

OPJ came to camp overweight and out of shape. Many speculate it had to do with Jim Boylen who was hated by all of the players (fans too). Even the Bulls 2nd round pick was bashing him in public.

Which says to me he's not a PROFESSIONAL, he's had that attitude ever since he got paid.