IT'S OFFICIAL: Stern gave Game 2 to Jazz (PIC AS PROOF)

SnakefromHell · Post #1 » by **SnakefromHell** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:24 am

Pic says it all.

Three offensive fouls on Melo... 6 fouls total. Numerous bogus calls on KMart, Bird, Nene... all Denver starters had 5 or more fouls.

Thanks Mr. Spooner. "I'm seeing it, but Boss Stern says gotta give this to THE JAZZ."

eathy · Post #2 » by **eathy** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:37 am

I like how the ref was staring just there.

Anyways there's nothing we can do about it anymore, we as fans need to move on and look forward to game 3.

We badly need to get 1 in games 3 or 4 or else we're not in a good position at all.

SnakefromHell · Post #3 » by **SnakefromHell** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:09 am

If the Nuggets cannot win against a depleted Jazz team in Utah when we actually did it with our own depleted team in the season, I guess it's the Nuggets that have problems. Not the refs.

If they can't win at least one in Utah I guess they don't deserve support.

But I still think we can win both games.

All Nuggets are fine with me, except Mr Big Shot who better start playing like he gives a ****

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #4 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:39 am

SnakefromHell wrote:If the Nuggets cannot win against a depleted Jazz team in Utah when we actually did it with our own depleted team in the season, I guess it's the Nuggets that have problems. Not the refs.

I believe the Nuggets had Karl then, they don't know. The refs hate AD for some reason and take it out on the Nuggets. Both games in Utah will be brutal. If Utah keeps the hot shooting going, no chance in hell Denver wins either game. And it won't be losing against a depleted Jazz team, it will be losing to the Zebras and Jazz.

easiestplayfts · Post #5 » by **easiestplayfts** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:33 am

SnakefromHell wrote:If the Nuggets cannot win against a depleted Jazz team in Utah when we actually did it with our own depleted team in the season, I guess it's the Nuggets that have problems. Not the refs.

If they can't win at least one in Utah I guess they don't deserve support.

But I still think we can win both games.

All Nuggets are fine with me, except Mr Big Shot who better start playing like he gives a ****

easiestplayfts · Post #6 » by **easiestplayfts** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:54 am

SnakefromHell wrote:If the Nuggets cannot win against a depleted Jazz team in Utah when we actually did it with our own depleted team in the season, I guess it's the Nuggets that have problems. Not the refs.

If they can't win at least one in Utah I guess they don't deserve support.

But I still think we can win both games.

All Nuggets are fine with me, except Mr Big Shot who better start playing like he gives a ****

Remember this .....Mr Bigshot was not unhappy to be traded to a young team in his home state of denver because he wanted more jewerly........do Melo,JR,Nene and Kenyon want one of these???

Post #7 » by **StocktonShorts** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:01 am

My take on the Melo foul and CJ's foot out of bounds is this: refs often let a certain amount of contact go until an event happens that essentially forces them to make a call. The most common one is when a player misses a shot badly after being brushed on the elbow or wrist. If the makes that shot, odds are the official swallows the whistle, but as soon as he misses it "becomes" a foul.

The Miles situation is the second most common, though usually it happens on guys driving the baseline -- they get bumped a little and forced out of bounds, but it's not really until the player ends up out of bounds that the refs make the call.

I'm not saying it's the best officiating in the world, but I think it's what happened in this instance.

SnakefromHell · Post #8 » by **SnakefromHell** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:01 am

easiestplayfts wrote:

That's 7 years ago.

Today, he's in self-denial that he's not old. He is only 33, but his legs must be 39. He plays like he's 39.

Dude just hoists shots thesedays... he can no longer stay in front of his men... he drives to the rim uncontrollably and gets offensive calls (reminding me of Marcus Camby)... or 1 out of 2 chances Billups tries to crossover his defender he turns it over, and if he's successful and drives into the crowd another 1 out of 2 chances he passes the ball straight to an opponent.

Dude has heart and he still has his teammates' ears. All I ask is if you know you can no longer do certain things you used to, you better be honest and tell coach you'd like to play less minutes. Concentrate on the sideline, make sure guys are focused, be the player coach... off the floor. My thing is, don't keep trying to prove to everyone you still can do it, and then fail and hurt the team.

Again, out of all Nuggets, I can only single out an individual whose effort and attitude are lacking and that is Billups. It's totally surprising. I have to admit. Dude seems like he cannot care less if we win or not... I don't know what he ate... but he better plays like he cares in Game 3 because he didn't play like he did in Game 2.

easiestplayfts · Post #9 » by **easiestplayfts** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:17 am

SnakefromHell wrote:
easiestplayfts wrote:

That's 7 years ago.

Today, he's in self-denial that he's not old. He is only 33, but his legs must be 39. He plays like he's 39.

Dude just hoists shots thesedays... he can no longer stay in front of his men... he drives to the rim uncontrollably and gets offensive calls (reminding me of Marcus Camby)... or 1 out of 2 chances Billups tries to crossover his defender he turns it over, and if he's successful and drives into the crowd another 1 out of 2 chances he passes the ball straight to an opponent.

Dude has heart and he still has his teammates' ears. All I ask is if you know you can no longer do certain things you used to, you better be honest and tell coach you'd like to play less minutes. Concentrate on the sideline, make sure guys are focused, be the player coach... off the floor. My thing is, don't keep trying to prove to everyone you still can do it, and then fail and hurt the team.

Again, out of all Nuggets, I can only single out an individual whose effort and attitude are lacking and that is Billups. It's totally surprising. I have to admit. Dude seems like he cannot care less if we win or not... I don't know what he ate... but he better plays like he cares in Game 3 because he didn't play like he did in Game 2.

ok..... let me be clear Chauncey is an all star NOT a superstar...even for the pistons he was the 4th best scoring option
1. R Hamilton
2. R.Wallace
3. Tayshaun Prince...
THEN kick out to Chauncey for the 3 point
he wants to lead not carry a bunch of youngsters

almost famous · Post #10 » by **almost famous** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:28 am

Nobody is asking him to carry anything more than his own wieght. He's not defending anyone very well and is taking more bad shots than anyone on either team. That's a poor leader.

easiestplayfts · Post #11 » by **easiestplayfts** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:45 am

almost famous wrote:Nobody is asking him to carry anything more than his own wieght. He's not defending anyone very well and is taking more bad shots than anyone on either team. That's a poor leader.

do you remember this with no melo

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWieGxuk4gU[/youtube]and this with no melo

sorry i meant the cavaliers w/o melo

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsVVpGT0T6Y[/youtube]

pickaxe · Post #12 » by **pickaxe** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:53 am

HappyProle wrote:My take on the Melo foul and CJ's foot out of bounds is this: refs often let a certain amount of contact go until an event happens that essentially forces them to make a call. The most common one is when a player misses a shot badly after being brushed on the elbow or wrist. If the makes that shot, odds are the official swallows the whistle, but as soon as he misses it "becomes" a foul.

The Miles situation is the second most common, though usually it happens on guys driving the baseline -- they get bumped a little and forced out of bounds, but it's not really until the player ends up out of bounds that the refs make the call.

I'm not saying it's the best officiating in the world, but I think it's what happened in this instance.

I'm just thinking that CJ stepping out of bounds to avoid contact and the fact he is fending off Melo with his arm should indicate that he chose to force the contact without holding his ground. He didn't try to spin off and back onto the court - he chose to force his move right by the line. I say that's a gamble on CJ's part and if his foot touches over the line like that he loses that gamble.

But whatever....I guess if you play a man tight (like you're supposed to), he can shimmy off you in any manner he pleases and the lines don't exist.

pickaxe · Post #13 » by **pickaxe** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:15 am

easiestplayfts wrote:
almost famous wrote:Nobody is asking him to carry anything more than his own wieght. He's not defending anyone very well and is taking more bad shots than anyone on either team. That's a poor leader.

do you remember this with no melo

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWieGxuk4gU[/youtube]and this with no melo

sorry i meant the cavaliers w/o melo

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsVVpGT0T6Y[/youtube]

Idk maybe Chauncey needs to be reminded how good he is more than we do.

That is the reason a fan should be frustrated with him right now. We know he is capable of this leadership and yet in these losses he wants to take on that responsibility himself. There are a lot of cases where I would say he is the best man to handle a situation personally.....but I want to see him give everything he's got into building up his teammates, chewing them out if necessary, and showing them how they can prosper not just through Billups' "big shots" + defense, but also through moving without the ball, boxing out, moving the ball, etc.

Thing is, we KNOW he's capable of doing this and it seems like lately he's not prepared to build an entire game.

I've heard it a few times, however - "Chauncey is becoming the Nuggets instead of the Nuggets becoming Chauncey's smarter way of doing things..."

This is an opportunity for Chauncey to rise above the situation and be a leader. Yes, it is not as easy as Pistons but when is the second time through ever easy?

It's a mix of intensity + composure. Not enough intensity on the ball in Deron's hands. Deron was allowed to trot around and prepare to execute every play instead of thinking about his defender. Then the composure was fine for like 75% of the first half. It's not show and tell "look at my composure" it's getting in there and actually being composed. It's about responsiveness to whatever play comes along. It's about turning a situation around and not letting it slip again.

easiestplayfts · Post #14 » by **easiestplayfts** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:27 am

meloivynene wrote:
easiestplayfts wrote:
almost famous wrote:Nobody is asking him to carry anything more than his own wieght. He's not defending anyone very well and is taking more bad shots than anyone on either team. That's a poor leader.

do you remember this with no melo

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWieGxuk4gU[/youtube]and this with no melo

sorry i meant the cavaliers w/o melo

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsVVpGT0T6Y[/youtube]

Idk maybe Chauncey needs to be reminded how good he is more than we do.

That is the reason a fan should be frustrated with him right now. We know he is capable of this leadership and yet in these losses he wants to take on that responsibility himself. There are a lot of cases where I would say he is the best man to handle a situation personally.....but I want to see him give everything he's got into building up his teammates, chewing them out if necessary, and showing them how they can prosper not just through Billups' "big shots" + defense, but also through moving without the ball, boxing out, moving the ball, etc.

Thing is, we KNOW he's capable of doing this and it seems like lately he's not prepared to build an entire game.

I've heard it a few times, however - "Chauncey is becoming the Nuggets instead of the Nuggets becoming Chauncey's smarter way of doing things..."

This is an opportunity for Chauncey to rise above the situation and be a leader. Yes, it is not as easy as Pistons but when is the second time through ever easy?

It's a mix of intensity + composure. Not enough intensity on the ball in Deron's hands. Deron was allowed to trot around and prepare to execute every play instead of thinking about his defender. Then the composure was fine for like 75% of the first half. It's not show and tell "look at my composure" it's getting in there and actually being composed. It's about responsiveness to whatever play comes along. It's about turning a situation around and not letting it slip again.

I understand......let's wait for the games in Utah..

eathy · Post #15 » by **eathy** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:55 am

What's funny is that Billups probably passed the ball alot more to Rip Hamilton than he does to Melo.

HammerDunk · Post #16 » by **HammerDunk** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:05 am

At that point in the play, Melo had already draped himself all over CJ, which contact forced him out of bounds. I can't believe it took them that long to call the foul. I don't know what Melo was thinking, he hadn't played defense all year to that point, why try then?

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #17 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:27 am

HammerDunk wrote:At that point in the play, Melo had already draped himself all over CJ, which contact forced him out of bounds. I can't believe it took them that long to call the foul. I don't know what Melo was thinking, he hadn't played defense all year to that point, why try then?

So, blind eh? Melo has played defense before this point. And Miles is grabbing his nuts, Melo is just trying to keep him off him. :wink:

KAVK · Post #18 » by **KAVK** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:31 am

Man that PIC looks awful for Spooner's rep.

All i know is that this team responds to greater challenge somehow. When faced to lesser danger they just slacks off a bit. Hopefully they will bring that 3rd qtr like attitude throughout rest of the way. DAMN LA looks to get their rest for next round! C MON KD bring it to em!

KAVK · Post #19 » by **KAVK** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:38 am

On top of that PIC league media has been kind of ignoring the fact we lost at home! Something was not right in there!

pickaxe · Post #20 » by **pickaxe** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:46 pm

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
HammerDunk wrote:At that point in the play, Melo had already draped himself all over CJ, which contact forced him out of bounds. I can't believe it took them that long to call the foul. I don't know what Melo was thinking, he hadn't played defense all year to that point, why try then?

So, blind eh? Melo has played defense before this point. And Miles is grabbing his nuts, Melo is just trying to keep him off him.

If only Melo was paper thin like Durant maybe ref would have seen the nut grabbing call.