trade nene and JR for bosh

[token]

who thinks that would be a good trade for superstar chrish bosh, with him, we'd have a better leader in him then melo and player

[Nutty Nats Fan]

who thinks that would be a good trade for superstar chrish bosh, with him, we'd have a better leader in him then melo and player

Better leader than Melo? That is really debatable.

And Kmart/1st/JR for Bosh is good. Don't need to include Nene, the team gets way to "thin" upfront with a Kmart/Bosh front court.

[The Rebel]

Bosh is a better leader then Melo and CO? Are you serious? Bosh puts up a ton of empty stats, while ignoring defense, continually throws his teammates under the bus in the media, not to mention the fact that is the West Bosh would have never been to the playoffs. Bosh is a more hyped Abdul Rahim who for those that don't know used to put up 20 points and 9-10 rebounds a game on losing teams as well..

Say what you will about Melo but regardless of teammates the Nuggets continue to have winning records and get into the playoffs.

[eathy]

Wow better leader?

Has Bosh ever taken his team to the playoffs or hit a game winner?

I wouldn't do Nene and JR as that would close our post options, but I would do KMart and JR for Bosh.

[SnakefromHell]

Um, I think Bosh is better than Abdur-Rahim.

I never really observe Bosh's D. But I think he can be an excellent team defender. Individually, he can be taught in our system.

He's been knocked for having perimeter game/ not inside game. But when you average 24 and 10 you must be doing something right... just like I said about Zach Randolph before the season started, and he's an All Star now. If we can get another All Star to play with Melo... go with that... it never hurts. Except AI... and Bosh is not AI.

[SirHuey]

Well since I follow both teams, let me say Bosh isn't a better leader than Melo..Also, Bosh has taken the Raptors to the Playoffs twice, and hit several games winners including two or three this season..

Bosh is average defensively, he usually steps up his D in the 4th quarter, and makes clutch defensive plays. I think he'd be a good fit in Denver, but we wouldn't improve at all defensively, we may even be worse..unless we sign a good defensive backup Center. Bosh for K-Mart/JR/1st rounder is a better deal than I've seen being thrown around of Sign & Trade ideas, especially since K-Mart is an expiring and JR..well he is better than any wing the Raptors have had in years...Maybe a third party would make the deal better so Raptors can dump Calderon at someone

[StocktonShorts]

Isn't Bosh a face-up forward? Doesn't he shoot a lot of mid-range jumpers? He seems like the last max-money guy I'd want to pair with Carmelo.

[Lionel Messi]

Wow better leader?

Has Bosh ever taken his team to the playoffs or hit a game winner?

I wouldn't do Nene and JR as that would close our post options, but I would do KMart and JR for Bosh.

Bosh carried a team of role players to 47 wins and a division title. TJ Ford and Mike James are the two best perimeter threats he has ever played with. On this current Raptors team, Sonny Weems (the guy that got like 2 minutes on the Nuggets last season) is the most likely to score 20 points for us out of all our perimeter guys.

Bosh isn't a vocal leader, but he leads by example. He was one of our top "hustle" guys despite being the star and ALWAYS came up with big defensive plays or huge offensive rebounds (not to mention points) in crunch time.

Btw, he has 2 game winners this year ALONE, and other huge shots, despite being a PF.

[Rasho is god]

If the nuggets had Bosh they would be almost unstoppable, Bosh has never played with another all-star (let alone 2 all-stars). Sonny Weems was a starter for the raptors, but on Denver he spent most of the time in the D-league

[Nuggets18]

Why the **** would Toronto trade Bosh for KMart, JR and a 1st round pick?

That is like paying 22 mill for JR, cuz KMart won't be in the future plans of the team.

There is no point in signing a guy and trading him for an expiring... they can just not re-sign bosh and wait for next season, sign JR and save 16 mill.

No one wants to pay 16mill for a late 1st round pick.

Nene & JR -4- Bosh could be OK for them, and then trade KMart -4- Okafor and you wont have the undersized KMart-Bosh frontcourt

[aniloman]

What about a S&T for Boozer? Or maybe Al Jefferson? The Nuggets need to make a change of some sort...

[The Rebel]

Why the **** would Toronto trade Bosh for KMart, JR and a 1st round pick?

That is like paying 22 mill for JR, cuz KMart won't be in the future plans of the team.

There is no point in signing a guy and trading him for an expiring... they can just not re-sign bosh and wait for next season, sign JR and save 16 mill.

No one wants to pay 16mill for a late 1st round pick.

Nene & JR -4- Bosh could be OK for them, and then trade KMart -4- Okafor and you wont have the undersized KMart-Bosh frontcourt

Toronto may be interested in the toughness that KMart would bring, that is one of their main problems is that they are a soft team. Plus they would be able to throw one of their bad contracts into that deal which could save them money long term.

As for Nene and Jr for Bosh, I doubt that happens, the only way Bosh comes to Denver is if he threatens to sign directly with a team if they will not send him to Denver. In that scenerio then Toronto is not going to be able to demand a whole lot with the threat of losing Bosh for nothing.

What about a S&T for Boozer? Or maybe Al Jefferson? The Nuggets need to make a change of some sort...

There is no way Utah will do a sign and trade of Boozer for anyone on the Nuggets, Unless it involves Melo.

I also don't get the love for Jefferson, he is not a very efficient post scorer and is a horrible defender. Just because raw stats look nice does not mean that he is a good player, or that he will help the team.

Denver does not have to make a trade, they are in one of the best positions out there for 2011 when the new CBA will come in, and with the expectation that the cap and tax at least will come down, if not a hard cap then Denver will be in a great position. So I doubt they add a player or two on a huge long term contract that does not instantly make them a top team.

[The Rebel]

If the nuggets had Bosh they would be almost unstoppable, Bosh has never played with another all-star (let alone 2 all-stars). Sonny Weems was a starter for the raptors, but on Denver he spent most of the time in the D-league

Weems did not play as a rookie on a team with a head coach that is notorious for not playing rookies, Lawson was the exception and far from the rule for Karl.

As for two All stars, AI was one of the most selfish players in league history, and actually hurt the Nuggets as a team.

Billups is a declining all star that may be the most overrated player in the NBA.

In the east a superstar surrounded by a bunch of average players (which is what the Raptors always seem to be) should be able to lead his teams to the playoffs more then 2 out of 7 years.

Fact is that Melo has lead the Nuggets to the playoffs regardless of the years when they had 250 games missed due to injuries, over 100 different teammates, and horrendous coaching from the likes of Michael Cooper and Adrian Dahntly.

[Lionel Messi]

If the nuggets had Bosh they would be almost unstoppable, Bosh has never played with another all-star (let alone 2 all-stars). Sonny Weems was a starter for the raptors, but on Denver he spent most of the time in the D-league

Weems did not play as a rookie on a team with a head coach that is notorious for not playing rookies, Lawson was the exception and far from the rule for Karl.

As for two All stars, AI was one of the most selfish players in league history, and actually hurt the Nuggets as a team.

Billups is a declining all star that may be the most overrated player in the NBA.

In the east a superstar surrounded by a bunch of average players (which is what the Raptors always seem to be) should be able to lead his teams to the playoffs more then 2 out of 7 years.

Fact is that Melo has lead the Nuggets to the playoffs regardless of the years when they had 250 games missed due to injuries, over 100 different teammates, and horrendous coaching from the likes of Michael Cooper and Adrian Dahntly.

What's your point?

Forget AI, Billups and even Nene...JR Smith would be the best perimeter player Bosh has EVER played with as a #1 guy. No doubt. Heck, he might even be the best player Bosh has played with since Carter left.

Also, the Raptors supporting cast isn't a bunch of "average players". There's maybe 3 average players, two of which play the same position (PG) and the other that plays the same position as Bosh.

[NOOB77]

JR Smith is not better than Vince Carter

[el loco]

If the nuggets had Bosh they would be almost unstoppable, Bosh has never played with another all-star (let alone 2 all-stars). Sonny Weems was a starter for the raptors, but on Denver he spent most of the time in the D-league

Weems did not play as a rookie on a team with a head coach that is notorious for not playing rookies, Lawson was the exception and far from the rule for Karl.

As for two All stars, AI was one of the most selfish players in league history, and actually hurt the Nuggets as a team.

Billups is a declining all star that may be the most overrated player in the NBA.

In the east a superstar surrounded by a bunch of average players (which is what the Raptors always seem to be) should be able to lead his teams to the playoffs more then 2 out of 7 years.

Fact is that Melo has lead the Nuggets to the playoffs regardless of the years when they had 250 games missed due to injuries, over 100 different teammates, and horrendous coaching from the likes of Michael Cooper and Adrian Dahntly.

Now if he could learn how to lead them out of the first round at a better clip than 1 for 7.

[Lionel Messi]

JR Smith is not better than Vince Carter

I said since Vince Carter left. Either way, VC left in December of Bosh's sophomore season, and was averaging a magnificent 16ppg at that point of the season.

[wang000hk]

If the nuggets had Bosh they would be almost unstoppable, Bosh has never played with another all-star (let alone 2 all-stars). Sonny Weems was a starter for the raptors, but on Denver he spent most of the time in the D-league

Weems did not play as a rookie on a team with a head coach that is notorious for not playing rookies, Lawson was the exception and far from the rule for Karl.

As for two All stars, AI was one of the most selfish players in league history, and actually hurt the Nuggets as a team.

Billups is a declining all star that may be the most overrated player in the NBA.

In the east a superstar surrounded by a bunch of average players (which is what the Raptors always seem to be) should be able to lead his teams to the playoffs more then 2 out of 7 years.

Fact is that Melo has lead the Nuggets to the playoffs regardless of the years when they had 250 games missed due to injuries, over 100 different teammates, and horrendous coaching from the likes of Michael Cooper and Adrian Dahntly.

What's your point?

Forget AI, Billups and even Nene...JR Smith would be the best perimeter player Bosh has EVER played with as a #1 guy. No doubt. Heck, he might even be the best player Bosh has played with since Carter left.

Also, the Raptors supporting cast isn't a bunch of "average players". There's maybe 3 average players, two of which play the same position (PG) and the other that plays the same position as Bosh.

Nene has only become a serviceable center since last season started,he was a big injury prone and everyone called us dumb for giving him that contract.He is pretty athletic,but nowhere a player you can rely on as a 1st or 2nd option

JR is a head case,what's so great of having a dumb player show up in 1 of 5 games? He can give you 30pts and 5pts in the next game
He didn't even play good in the games without Melo and Billups if you think they keep taking touches from him

Well,Marion,JO aren't just average players,right?

[Nutty Nats Fan]

If the nuggets had Bosh they would be almost unstoppable, Bosh has never played with another all-star (let alone 2 all-stars). Sonny Weems was a starter for the raptors, but on Denver he spent most of the time in the D-league

Weems did not play as a rookie on a team with a head coach that is notorious for not playing rookies, Lawson was the exception and far from the rule for Karl.

As for two All stars, AI was one of the most selfish players in league history, and actually hurt the Nuggets as a team.

Billups is a declining all star that may be the most overrated player in the NBA.

In the east a superstar surrounded by a bunch of average players (which is what the Raptors always seem to be) should be able to lead his teams to the playoffs more then 2 out of 7 years.

Fact is that Melo has lead the Nuggets to the playoffs regardless of the years when they had 250 games missed due to injuries, over 100 different teammates, and horrendous coaching from the likes of Michael Cooper and Adrian Dahntly.

Now if he could learn how to lead them out of the first round at a better clip than 1 for 7.

Seriously, a fan of the team, someone who I assume follows the team... is saying something this uninformed? Some of those teams were only in the playoffs because of Melo. Lebron wouldn't have been able to get past the first round with them.

I expect the usual haters to spill that crap about criticizing Melo for carrying bad teams in to the playoffs and not being able to win with them, but not people who should know.

I also wouldn't count the Spurs/AI series against him. Melo was playing great, he just couldn't get the ball from AI.

[eathy]

Bosh has also had Calderon.

Melo has had a worse team before adn taken the Nuggets to the playoffs.