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should Denver play offense and be more pro-active at bringing in another top 10ish player?

Could you maybe package Ty Lawson (or Billups), JR Smith, and maybe someone else to get either Deron Williams or, better yet, Chris Paul? Or what about a more stalwart big man?

Do you think adding another top 10ish player would even make stay?

Denver has a nice team and so, I know the first impulse might be to say, trading so and so would make us weaker. But does adding a Chris Paul suddenly make one of your big men replaceable?

I was thinking the same thing. Instead of focusing soley on a big man, why not try to get another star player?

we have the pieces: young talent (LAwson and to an extent JR), expirings (KMart, JR and Billups), and talent (same as expirers)... not to mention we never shy away from giving away picks...

I think Paul is the obvious target, but by the deadline some other big names will become available.

For paul all we can offer is:
Billups, Martin and 2 firsts for Okafor, Paul and Posey

Wang Chung wrote:Denver has a nice team and so, I know the first impulse might be to say, trading so and so would make us weaker. But does adding a Chris Paul suddenly make one of your big men replaceable?

Chris Paul wouldn't make one of the big man replaceable. Although any Paul deal would have Okafor coming back and most likely involves Kmart, so Denver's front court would be improved in a Paul trade. I'm not calling Okafor better than Kmart, but a better fit for Denver, since Denver needs a big body in the middle to rebound.

Pretty much everyone is in favor of bringing in another top player. It has been discussed a lot.

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:

Wang Chung wrote:Denver has a nice team and so, I know the first impulse might be to say, trading so and so would make us weaker. But does adding a Chris Paul suddenly make one of your big men replaceable?

Chris Paul wouldn't make one of the big man replaceable. Although any Paul deal would have Okafor coming back and most likely involves Kmart, so Denver's front court would be improved in a Paul trade. I'm not calling Okafor better than Kmart, but a better fit for Denver, since Denver needs a big body in the middle to rebound.

Pretty much everyone is in favor of bringing in another top player. It has been discussed a lot.

Relatively speaking, its easier to get by with replacing someone like Nenee if you have a Chris Paul. A player like Chris Paul compensates for the incremental drop off in what youd have at center if you had to move Nenee or Martin to get Paul. So in effect, they do become replaceable.

Wang Chung wrote:

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:

Wang Chung wrote:Denver has a nice team and so, I know the first impulse might be to say, trading so and so would make us weaker. But does adding a Chris Paul suddenly make one of your big men replaceable?

Chris Paul wouldn't make one of the big man replaceable. Although any Paul deal would have Okafor coming back and most likely involves Kmart, so Denver's front court would be improved in a Paul trade. I'm not calling Okafor better than Kmart, but a better fit for Denver, since Denver needs a big body in the middle to rebound.

Pretty much everyone is in favor of bringing in another top player. It has been discussed a lot.

Relatively speaking, its easier to get by with replacing someone like Nenee if you have a Chris Paul. A player like Chris Paul compensates for the incremental drop off in what youd have at center if you had to move Nenee or Martin to get Paul. So in effect, they do become replaceable.

No, they really don't. Paul can not replace Nene or Kmart. Paul can not play post defense or help protect the paint like they can.

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
No, they really don't. Paul can not replace Nene or Kmart. Paul can not play post defense or help protect the paint like they can.

Thats not what was being said, guy. LOL. Im not going to explaing this again. Cheers.

u guys need to blow your team up. your bigs are injury prone and one dimensional. should explore trades packages that surrounds k-mart, billups and nene and hopefully get a true big to compliment melo. get him a inside presence instead of trying to fit 2nd option wings becuase that obviously haven't worked. ie billups + iverson

Wang Chung wrote:

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
No, they really don't. Paul can not replace Nene or Kmart. Paul can not play post defense or help protect the paint like they can.

Thats not what was being said, guy. LOL. Im not going to explaing this again. Cheers.

You haven't explained it yet. Seemed like you were trying to say Paul could make a crap center play good D and O? He wouldn't.

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:

Wang Chung wrote:

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:
No, they really don't. Paul can not replace Nene or Kmart. Paul can not play post defense or help protect the paint like they can.

Thats not what was being said, guy. LOL. Im not going to explaing this again. Cheers.

You haven't explained it yet. Seemed like you were trying to say Paul could make a crap center play good D and O? He wouldn't.

Wow.

Relatively speaking, its easier to get by with replacing someone like Nenee if you have a Chris Paul. A player like Chris Paul compensates for the incremental drop off in what youd have at center if you had to move Nenee or Martin to get Paul. So in effect, they do become replaceable.

Do you think this is referring to Chris Paul playing center? Furthermore, theres a point that was made that you completely missed because you couldnt wrap your head around the idea that Chris Paul playing center or power forward was never suggested.

Wang Chung wrote:Furthermore, theres a point that was made that you completely missed because you couldnt wrap your head around the idea that Chris Paul playing center or power forward was never suggested.

Let me repeat myself then, "Seemed like you were trying to say Paul could make a crap center play good D and O? He wouldn't." Now perhaps in my first post I was saying that, but the 2nd one I clearly did not. The drop off would be too great, Paul would not make up for having nothing at center. That's why I brought up if Paul could play post defense, because that crap center won't be.

He's just saying CP3 makes players better, which is true... ON OFFENSE... ya we'd prob have a top 3 offense in the NBA (which we arguably have already).... but our problem isn't offense... it's defense and rebounding... ya a player like Paul does improve us, but our current problems still exsist, they just wouldn't be as noticable because a player like Paul helps your offense become fluid and get everyone involved...

melo mvp 15 wrote:He's just saying CP3 makes players better, which is true... ON OFFENSE... ya we'd prob have a top 3 offense in the NBA (which we arguably have already).... but our problem isn't offense... it's defense and rebounding... ya a player like Paul does improve us, but our current problems still exsist, they just wouldn't be as noticable because a player like Paul helps your offense become fluid and get everyone involved...

As you just said, offense wasn't the problem. Defense (especially inside) and rebounding was the problem. All this idea does, is strengthen the team's strength while making its weakness much weaker. I guarantee you those problems will be even more noticeable. Having Paul help the offense will not hide the fact that everyone and their mother could score in the post on Denver and grab even more rebounds from Denver.

melo mvp 15 wrote:He's just saying CP3 makes players better, which is true... ON OFFENSE... ya we'd prob have a top 3 offense in the NBA (which we arguably have already).... but our problem isn't offense... it's defense and rebounding... ya a player like Paul does improve us, but our current problems still exsist, they just wouldn't be as noticable because a player like Paul helps your offense become fluid and get everyone involved...

Lets take a second though and step away from the myopia of NNF. Lets tie this into the originanl post that acknowledges theres an arms race and elite players want to play with other elite players. If Chris Paul enhances the chance of Carmelo staying, you have to look at that. Your problems in the post are there no matter what but thats not your biggest problem. Your biigger problem that Paul could potentially mitigate is losing Anthony. And even if you lose Anthony, you still have a player like Paul.

Youre right, Paul makes everyone better. Chauncey is older and I see a lot of Nuggets fans over rating him. Lawson has some potential but if you can move him to get Paul its a move you have to consider. If you have to move Nene or Martin, what difference does it make? Youre saying your low post game is a problem as it is, so how much worse would you be? The benefit of having Paul outweighs what you lose by sending a big man in a trade. I mean, what are you really losing? Is Nene or Martin really THAT irreplaceable?


Who is to say you couldnt replace Nene or Martin with one or even two guys who are only marginally worse? I watch a lot of the Nuggets and Martin is a knucklehead and Nene isnt exactly irreplaceable.

Who is to say you couldnt replace Nene or Martin with one or even two guys who are only marginally worse? I watch a lot of the Nuggets and Martin is a knucklehead and Nene isnt exactly irreplaceable.

So you watch them with your eyes closed? Despite the "hate" Nene gets, he is a great post defender. The only one on the team. You can't replace what Nene brings to the defense. Paul will not stop other centers from scoring at will. Martin is a top defender in the league, while not exactly a post defender, he is the heart of the teams defense. He was also the teams best rebounder. You can't just replace that with some bum.

The only thing you could be right about, is Melo would stay with Paul on the Nuggets. That team wouldn't be better though, because it would be completely unbalanced with having nothing in the front court. If you watched Nuggets games, you would know this already. Talent doesn't mean winning (at least in the playoffs), a great balanced team does.

So logic is myopia now? Interesting.

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:

Who is to say you couldnt replace Nene or Martin with one or even two guys who are only marginally worse? I watch a lot of the Nuggets and Martin is a knucklehead and Nene isnt exactly irreplaceable.

So you watch them with your eyes closed? Despite the "hate" Nene gets, he is a great post defender. The only one on the team. You can't replace what Nene brings to the defense. Paul will not stop other centers from scoring at will. Martin is a top defender in the league, while not exactly a post defender, he is the heart of the teams defense. He was also the teams best rebounder. You can't just replace that with some bum.

The only thing you could be right about, is Melo would stay with Paul on the Nuggets. That team wouldn't be better though, because it would be completely unbalanced with having nothing in the front court. If you watched Nuggets games, you would know this already. Talent doesn't mean winning (at least in the playoffs), a great balanced team does.

So logic is myopia now? Interesting.

Its myopia and not logic.

Nene doesnt even average 10 a game. He averages 7.7 a game. In fact, Martin is your leading rebounder.

And the thing is that Denver and New Orleans are in two different places. Denver is at a point to try to win now, while NO is in rebuild/restructure. You might be able to get Okafor and his contract back with that in mind. Martin's deal expires and isnt Nene's deal also running out? So, you could actually end up with Paul and Okafor.

Wang Chung wrote:Nene doesnt even average 10 a game. He averages 7.7 a game. In fact, Martin is your leading rebounder.

Duuurrrr... I just said Kmart was the team's best rebounder. So why tell me something I know?

And the thing is that Denver and New Orleans are in two different places. Denver is at a point to try to win now, while NO is in rebuild/restructure. You might be able to get Okafor and his contract back with that in mind. Martin's deal expires and isnt Nene's deal also running out? So, you could actually end up with Paul and Okafor.

Kmart is expiring, Nene has a player option. I would be on board a trade that leaves Denver's starting line up, Paul, AA, Okafor, Melo, and Nene. That's a very solid starting 5. And I think the chances of getting Okafor with Paul and really high, NO would want to move his contract if they are getting rid of Paul.

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:Duuurrrr... I just said Kmart was the team's best rebounder. So why tell me something I know?

Youre overhyping Nene.

Kmart is expiring, Nene has a player option. I would be on board a trade that leaves Denver's starting line up, Paul, AA, Okafor, Melo, and Nene. That's a very solid starting 5. And I think the chances of getting Okafor with Paul and really high, NO would want to move his contract if they are getting rid of Paul.

I think they would want Nene. A) They have David West, and B) you should look at their roster. I understant the appeal of having expiring contracts but they would have 3 if you included Martins. I think they would want Nene because he's a center but also because his contract is a length that gives them a chance to re-emerge from a re-build. If they have too many expiring contracts in the middle of a re-build, they could end up whiffing on a lot of free agents.

If the hornets are trading Paul, they will be going into rebuilding mode. They would not be acquiring KMart to play, they would be getting him to cut about 17 Million off of the salary cap for them at the end of next season. A trade with them wouldn't be about filling holes in the Hornets current roster because they would be tanking this season anyways...

Wang Chung wrote:

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:Duuurrrr... I just said Kmart was the team's best rebounder. So why tell me something I know?

Youre overhyping Nene.

So saying Kmart is a better rebounder than Nene is overhyping Nene? Seriously, you're making zero sense.

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:

Wang Chung wrote:

Nutty Nats Fan wrote:Duuurrrr... I just said Kmart was the team's best rebounder. So why tell me something I know?

Youre overhyping Nene.

So saying Kmart is a better rebounder than Nene is overhyping Nene? Seriously, you're making zero sense.

You were making him out to be some defensive jedi. Sorry, but at some point the stats have to line up with the idea you were selling and 7.7 for a starter that plays significant minutes doesnt do that.