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Anyone terrified of our current managment situation?

Mark Warkentien was fired.
Bret Bearup was fired.
Rex Chapman was fired.
Greg Knight was fired.
Stan Kroenke is stepping aside.

So with all these people gone, lets see who is left to run the show...

This leaves us with:
GM Masai Ujiri - An unproven GM..
President Josh Kroenke - Daddys little boy who also happens to be extremely unqualified.

Maybe i'm missing something, but i'm terrified of our current mangment team. For the first time in several years, I actually hope George Karl is the one allowed to call all of the shots.

According to Sam Amick, Bearup may not be really gone.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/11/09/nugg ... m-sort-of/

either way this whole thing worries me, Josh Kroenke worries me but with the right people around him it would not be a big deal as Stan still controls the money, but Ujiri scares the crap out of me. Fact is he is an international scout, that has worked for teams that always seem to have international players bust or near bust. Not to mention the most succesful team he has been involved in prior to Denver is the Nuggets from the 03-04 season to 06-07 season, none of which were especially great, especially the Kiki years where we had plenty of rookie busts, and international players like Diawara. His record in Toronto while an assistant GM is not much better, not only did they bring in several international guys that did not work out, the team got consistently worse with blown draft picks and overpaid NBA international players. Not a guy i want making decisions, just from his record. Add to that he had to hire Pete D'Alessandro when they finally figured out they were adding cap space from the 4 team Nets deal, and that leaves me wondering how long the slide will be.


Also from the Amico article, it sounds like Ujiri is the one responsible for Bearup being forced out through the league, and now Ujiri wants Karl out. I do not know who the hell he wants, but it is not going to be easy to replace Karl, and the PR mess would be as big a nightmare as trading Melo right now.

I wish Kroenke would have spent the extra money to get a guy like Griffin from the Suns when we had the chance before he went to Cleveland. While a rookie GM, he at least had experience rebuilding the Suns as the assistant GM over the last 3 years, where they went through an almost full rebuild and made the western conference finals last year.

I honestly don't think much has changed.

In my mind, Bearup will still be calling all the shots except working in a higher position.

Last loss was sign of many wrongs had piled up and piling up more......

I have a question towards all of fellow fans,

If Stan was to pass this organization off to his kid and shuffle it, then what was his plan when he started going trigger happy and gunning people off left and right?

What is next? Since we are not happy with his choices, then we can at least try to anticipate his next move just for fun.

I believe Stan entered power saving mode right when he discovered Melo's disinterest being here past this season. It all had come to situation that this team is preparing for "total build" mode.

We just better off pulling MHZ off retirement and place him with Rebel up there in the office and just let them go nuts!!!!

Looks to me like Melo and some of the other nuggets were not happy in the Pacers game, I have to wonder if the news did not get back to Melo that they had moved Bearup out. From all reports Bearup was the one leading the charge to trade melo, with Ujiri still trying to convince Melo to stay or only willing to trade him in a perfect deal. Neither of which is going to happen. Ujiri may be a optimist and nice guy, but I am wondering how bright he really is as it is appearing that he is basically clueless. While the infamous press conference a few months ago killed my enthusiasm for Josh Kroenke and Ujiri, I held out hope that maybe they just are not public speakers and with Bearup pulling the strings we would be fine, Now with Bearup gone that press conference is just the 1st of a number of things to worry me. The biggest of which is that after being an assistant GM and watching what happened with Bosh 1st hand you would think he would actually be trying to get something done, but instead he is following the same line the Raptors did. I do not know how Kroenke could get cheap on hiring a GM, and then allow them to force out Bearup, while this team is at such a crossroads, seemingly without someone in charge that has a clue.

The Rebel wrote:
Also from the Amico article, it sounds like Ujiri is the one responsible for Bearup being forced out through the league, and now Ujiri wants Karl out. I do not know who the hell he wants, but it is not going to be easy to replace Karl, and the PR mess would be as big a nightmare as trading Melo right now.

I wish Kroenke would have spent the extra money to get a guy like Griffin from the Suns when we had the chance before he went to Cleveland. While a rookie GM, he at least had experience rebuilding the Suns as the assistant GM over the last 3 years, where they went through an almost full rebuild and made the western conference finals last year.

They could have just resigned Wark and let Chapman walk. Bearup will still be giving his input, so while Ujiri thinks he is running the show, I don't see where anything has really changed. I agree with you on the PR mess it would create to let GK go this year. The best way to go about that is to let him coach the year out and worry about it later. A coaching move isn't going to help or hurt things this year, and the PR hit makes it a no brainer imo. But, then again, this is Denver we are talking about.

I am glad you brought up Ujiri's past because I have felt the same way, he is known for being a great scout of international players yet the Raptors roster has 3 former Nuggets in its rotation and only one of the 3 is an International talent/player and he was already proven before they signed him. I guess they had to give him some kind of build up to get people to buy into the hiring when it really came down to him being the cheapest option available and this is the reason why he is our new GM. It is kind of funny how Bearup had a part in hand picking him.

Whoever the real GM is needs to grow a pair between now and the trade deadline.

el loco wrote:They could have just resigned Wark and let Chapman walk. Bearup will still be giving his input, so while Ujiri thinks he is running the show, I don't see where anything has really changed. I agree with you on the PR mess it would create to let GK go this year. The best way to go about that is to let him coach the year out and worry about it later. A coaching move isn't going to help or hurt things this year, and the PR hit makes it a no brainer imo. But, then again, this is Denver we are talking about.

according to some of the radio guys and the few articles I read about Wark and Chapman, chapman was an idiot and was gone, but they wanted to keep Warkentein heading into the offseason. the problem was that Wark was a pain in the ass and treated others in the office like crap, he was also looking for another job for the last year. I don't think he wanted really wanted to be in Denver much anyways.

As for Karl, I have mixed emotions on the guy, he can get more from random scrubs then just about any coach in the league. as I have said for years the guy is a very good coach, but not great coach. His playbook is lacking, and teams are able to figure out how to stop his teams in the playoffs, but he gets teams to the playoffs that should never be there. You cannot fire him now, as there really are not any great coaches available and most of the top prospects are assistants elsewhere, you have to keep him through the end of the season. But even then I doubt you can get much better then him, so if their plan is to still compete you may as well bring him back, if it is to tank like I prefer then you have to let him move on.

el loco wrote:I am glad you brought up Ujiri's past because I have felt the same way, he is known for being a great scout of international players yet the Raptors roster has 3 former Nuggets in its rotation and only one of the 3 is an International talent/player and he was already proven before they signed him. I guess they had to give him some kind of build up to get people to buy into the hiring when it really came down to him being the cheapest option available and this is the reason why he is our new GM. It is kind of funny how Bearup had a part in hand picking him.

I think they could have found someone better even for the low paycheck, he is either not a very good scout or not very good at convincing GMs about players talent, as none of the teams have brought in good unknown international talent. As for the former Nuggets, that is a good point, and considering that Kleiza spent half of his high school and all of his college career in the US, I don't really consider him and international player. AS for selling him to the public, most people could care less who the GM is, as long as the team does well they did not have to sell him. People will start judging the minute things start getting **** up though, and right now people all over Colorado are beginning to judge as most do not understand what the team is doing. A few people that know how much I am on these boards and are big Nuggets fans all keep asking me if the Nuggets want to be the next Cleveland/ Toronto.

As for Bearup, all the reports I have seen said that Bearup was the one pushing for Griffin, and Josh wanted ujiri. Which makes me feel worse about the situation.

el loco wrote:Whoever the real GM is needs to grow a pair between now and the trade deadline.

I think the deadline is too late. In fact I think we missed our best chance in that no matter what happens the team is going to take a hit pr wise especially when they keep talking about only doing a deal if they get the perfect package. How do you trade your best player when you have a winning team that is near the top of the conference? How do you sell that to the average fans? Hell on this very board there are fans that would rather go for one more run this year and deal with the pain later, as opposed to doing things the right way. Fact is the rumors are now that they are waiting and trying to get another superstar instead of trading Melo, pretty soon they are going to have themselves boxed in, with no choices on what they can do. They want a Gasol deal, and those happen about once a decade, and Gasol was only 3 years ago so we will be waiting a long damn time. So they either need to decide whether to keep Melo through the end of the year and become the next Cleveland or trade him, and do it now.

I think the deadline is too late. In fact I think we missed our best chance in that no matter what happens the team is going to take a hit pr wise especially when they keep talking about only doing a deal if they get the perfect package. How do you trade your best player when you have a winning team that is near the top of the conference? How do you sell that to the average fans? Hell on this very board there are fans that would rather go for one more run this year and deal with the pain later, as opposed to doing things the right way. Fact is the rumors are now that they are waiting and trying to get another superstar instead of trading Melo, pretty soon they are going to have themselves boxed in, with no choices on what they can do. They want a Gasol deal, and those happen about once a decade, and Gasol was only 3 years ago so we will be waiting a long damn time. So they either need to decide whether to keep Melo through the end of the year and become the next Cleveland or trade him, and do it now.

I agree the best chance to get the most return has likely come and gone. According to what I have seen here and there lately, Ujiri has been trying to bring in a big name in Melo deal. If this is the case and he is really trying to do this, he might as well make the Bulls deal and be done with it. The team will be stuck in mediocrity and if this is the route the Nuggets take, then GK is the best man for the job. But, if they elect to be smart and go young, he isn't the coach to have around imo.