Offseason thread

[jcwkings]

Gallo says "see you soon"


Here we can discuss about any moves we should consider in the off-season. This includes free agents, draft picks,trades, etc.

Keepers
Ty Lawson
Danilo Gallinari
Nene


Players on our roster who are trade-able
Raymond Felton
George Karl



Players who we should be interested in.(message me or post to add more suggestions)
Jeff Green
Kris Humphries
Evan Turner- Someone we should pursue with great force.Does not get a lot of playing time and yes i would trade afflalo for him, simply because we do need a star player to win and he has alot of potential.
Thaddeus Young
Ed davis
Stephen Curry
Deandre Jordan
Omri Casspi
Jason Thompson
Marc Gasol
O.j Mayo
Kevin Love
Anthony randolph
Nicolas Batum
Derrick Favors
Paul Millsap
Al Jefferson

Trades
any interesting trades someone posts. I will put here for easy finding.(heres one i thought of.)
Nene & lawson for Stephen Curry & David Lee
Afflalo & Nene for Evan Turner & Spencer Hawes

[pickaxe]

there ain't nothin' like the present

[mutumba]

Oh weird. I thought this was a 7 game series.

[Fat Kat]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17901418

Nuggets guard J.R. Smith, who played just six minutes in Wednesday night's Game 2, said there's a "strong possibility" he won't sign with the Nuggets this summer as a free agent, expressing frustration Thursday after the Nuggets went down 0-2 against Oklahoma City in the playoffs.

"There's a strong possibility as of right now," Smith said. "It's not going the way I planned it to go. It's a tough situation. I want to be here, I love the fans and everything about the city. It's just maybe not my fit."

[el loco]

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_17901418

Nuggets guard J.R. Smith, who played just six minutes in Wednesday night's Game 2, said there's a "strong possibility" he won't sign with the Nuggets this summer as a free agent, expressing frustration Thursday after the Nuggets went down 0-2 against Oklahoma City in the playoffs.

"There's a strong possibility as of right now," Smith said. "It's not going the way I planned it to go. It's a tough situation. I want to be here, I love the fans and everything about the city. It's just maybe not my fit."

There is nothing new there, GK doesn't even talk to JR and hasn't for several seasons now. He communicates to him through the media or through assistant coaches.

[jcwkings]

just like last year, this team is mentally crumbling. j.r should not even be talking about this sort of stuff until the season is over. Keep him on the bench for the rest of the playoffs. no need for a negative player out there.You had your chances but you never responded.Should have traded him to chicago for taj gibson.

[el loco]

just like last year, this team is mentally crumbling. j.r should not even be talking about this sort of stuff until the season is over. Keep him on the bench for the rest of the playoffs. no need for a negative player out there.You had your chances but you never responded.Should have traded him to chicago for taj gibson.

Says the guy that starts a thread like this before the season is over JR did nothing but retaliate at the coach for throwing him under the bus, I don't blame JR for doing it.

[jcwkings]

hey if this team is responding like j.r said with no pulse than our season is over. and yeah id be pissed too if i was j.r but he had his chances and never capitalized. but still i want this team to come back and win. i watched all 48 minutes last night and if that doesn't show how much i like this team and the players then i don't know what will.

[The Rebel]

hey if this team is responding like j.r said with no pulse than our season is over. and yeah id be pissed too if i was j.r but he had his chances and never capitalized. but still i want this team to come back and win. i watched all 48 minutes last night and if that doesn't show how much i like this team and the players then i don't know what will.

If this team is responding like Jr said, then they should basically all be gone. Truth is whoever does not show up Sat should be sent out of Denver as quickly as possible, I personally am tired of this team always collapsing whenever they face adversity, and that comes down to the coaches and players. Jr is just as large a part of it as Karl, Kmart, Andersen, and Nene. They all have the talent to do the job, but year after year they seem to blame each other and decide to fold as opposed to fight through the struggle they are facing.

For that matter the reaction and play from the 3 main players from the Knicks was no better, and overall made me think that they should all be headed out of here as well. **** it keep Lawson, Mozgov, Afflalo, Koufos and trade or refuse to resign the rest. At least then we will have players who continue to try to fight through all the crap.

[el loco]

hey if this team is responding like j.r said with no pulse than our season is over. and yeah id be pissed too if i was j.r but he had his chances and never capitalized. but still i want this team to come back and win. i watched all 48 minutes last night and if that doesn't show how much i like this team and the players then i don't know what will.

If this team is responding like Jr said, then they should basically all be gone. Truth is whoever does not show up Sat should be sent out of Denver as quickly as possible, I personally am tired of this team always collapsing whenever they face adversity, and that comes down to the coaches and players. Jr is just as large a part of it as Karl, Kmart, Andersen, and Nene. They all have the talent to do the job, but year after year they seem to blame each other and decide to fold as opposed to fight through the struggle they are facing.

For that matter the reaction and play from the 3 main players from the Knicks was no better, and overall made me think that they should all be headed out of here as well. **** it keep Lawson, Mozgov, Afflalo, Koufos and trade or refuse to resign the rest. At least then we will have players who continue to try to fight through all the crap.

Add Forbes to that list of keepers and I am in He accepts and tries to make the most of whatever minutes he gets.

[DaFan334]

Yeah, have to keep Forbes when JR leaves.

As for Karls comments, he probably shouldn't have made them to the media, but look at JR's line and he has a point to an extent. While it is hard to completely blame JR for what was going on since the start of the game, he did have a -17 plus/minus in only 7 minutes.

[The Rebel]

Not a huge Forbes fan, he has some talent, but I think he is easily replaceable. If he wants to stay then resign him for the minimum, if he wants a big raise there are other guys I would rather them get.

[el loco]

Not a huge Forbes fan, he has some talent, but I think he is easily replaceable. If he wants to stay then resign him for the minimum, if he wants a big raise there are other guys I would rather them get.

If some team offers Forbes a raise, the more power to him.

I would get rid of Felton. He has been in the playoffs 2 years in a row and choked both times. He isn't as good as Lawsome who is 4 years younger then Felton is.

JR and Kmart are probably gone, I can't blame JR if/when he leaves. It depends what Chandler is offered on the open Market if I would bring him back or not, but right now I am pretty down on the guy.

Up front I would keep Nene, Koufos, Mozgov, and the Birdman. Harrington will be difficult to get rid of, so he will probably be back. The big man rotation is pretty well set, but it could be improved. I hope they slide Nene to the 4 spot next year and play a 7 footer at center.

The real keepers in my eyes are Nene, Lawsome, Afflalo, Gallo, Mozgov, and the Birdman (he played excellent in the 2nd half of the season, which is when he finally got healthy again).

If you let Chandler go, and Kmart and JR decide to sign somewhere else, who would you try to sign as a free agent? What kind of a deal can Felton realistically fetch? Will that big TPE even be there to use with the next CBA? If it is, that could be the most useful asset that the Nuggets received in the Billups trade.

[The Rebel]

Not a huge Forbes fan, he has some talent, but I think he is easily replaceable. If he wants to stay then resign him for the minimum, if he wants a big raise there are other guys I would rather them get.

If some team offers Forbes a raise, the more power to him.

I would get rid of Felton. He has been in the playoffs 2 years in a row and choked both times. He isn't as good as Lawsome who is 4 years younger then Felton is.

JR and Kmart are probably gone, I can't blame JR if/when he leaves. It depends what Chandler is offered on the open Market if I would bring him back or not, but right now I am pretty down on the guy.

Up front I would keep Nene, Koufos, Mozgov, and the Birdman. Harrington will be difficult to get rid of, so he will probably be back. The big man rotation is pretty well set, but it could be improved. I hope they slide Nene to the 4 spot next year and play a 7 footer at center.

The real keepers in my eyes are Nene, Lawsome, Afflalo, Gallo, Mozgov, and the Birdman (he played excellent in the 2nd half of the season, which is when he finally got healthy again).

If you let Chandler go, and Kmart and JR decide to sign somewhere else, who would you try to sign as a free agent? What kind of a deal can Felton realistically fetch? Will that big TPE even be there to use with the next CBA? If it is, that could be the most useful asset that the Nuggets received in the Billups trade.

As I said forbes can stay or go, not a huge fan, but for a minimum type 5th sg/sf he is a very solid option.

Felton I think can get us a late lotto/mid 1st round pick.

Jr I would love to get back if he played like he did the 2nd half of the season, but I think that ship has sailed, and I think a team like the Bulls. Magic, or Mavs will offer the full MLE (if it exists). If the MLe no longer exists, I do not know which team he ends up with, but I don't think he will be in Denver.

KMart after game 1 and through game 2 reminded me of why I could not stand him and his contract for so many years. the team has made comments that they want him back, and he acted previously like he wanted to come back, but after throwing Karl and the coaches under the bus after game 1, and then not giving any effort game 2, he can go. I just do not know who will give him the contract he seems to think he is worth.

The front line I think needs to be rebuilt as well. I would keep Nene, Mozgov and Koufos, and move Andersen if there is a market. While he can be a game changer at times, going for blocks constantly and leaving his man open costs us as many points as his shotblocking ability stops the other team.

Gallinari I would trade immediately, his value seems to be much higher around the league then it does when I watch him. I don't see the guy ever being more then a good role player, after his 3rd year he is still inconsistent, and he has limited ability to create his own shot. I don't see him being able to ever beat double teams. If we had a team where he could be the 3rd or 4th option he would be a great player to have, but on a team with no real 1st option to draw the defense away from him he will always struggle.

Chandler I go back and forth on, he is a solid all around role player, but with his injury history and lack of offensive ability I don't know if he is a long term fit. Using him next to a scoring SG would be ideal, but if we bring back Afflalo like we should then Chandler will have to play off the bench, and we would still have to pay a starting SF, and find a good offensive minded SG.

Personally the only guys I would hold onto if at all possible are Lawson, Afflalo, Nene, Koufos, and Mozgov. The rest can all go as far as I am concerned.

[The Rebel]

If you let Chandler go, and Kmart and JR decide to sign somewhere else, who would you try to sign as a free agent? What kind of a deal can Felton realistically fetch? Will that big TPE even be there to use with the next CBA? If it is, that could be the most useful asset that the Nuggets received in the Billups trade.

I would not necessarily sign many big name free agents this year, as I don't see any available outside of Marc Gasol, and I think you have to overpay to get him.

I think I would trade Gallinari to the Cavs, Raptors, or Wizards for their pick, and use the pick to get one of the foreign big men. All 3 need a SF, and Gallinari would fit in well.

Trade Andersen and the 22nd pick for Mayo from the Grizzlies, they need a backup center that can block shots and rebound. Denver will need someone that can replace JR's scoring.

Trade Felton to the Kings for Casspi and Udrih. They were said to be looking for an upgrade at PG, trying to dump udrih's salary, and Casspi was rumored to have asked for a trade.

You could also trade one of Mozgov or Koufos for a bad contract like Biedrens, who the Warriors have been rumored to want to dump.

Resign Chandler

Lawson/ Udrih/ minimum free agent
Afflalo/ mayo
Casspi/ chandler/ Forbes
Nene/ harrington/
Mozgov/ Rookie/ Koufos/

the Nuggets actually reduce payroll, and have 3 guys who could all develop into solid starting centers, and still have some very good young talent.

[el loco]

Lawson/ Udrih/ minimum free agent
Afflalo/ mayo
Casspi/ chandler/ Forbes
Nene/ harrington/
Mozgov/ Rookie/ Koufos/

I am not sure that lineup makes Denver a better team, it looks quite similar to what they are putting on the floor now. Gallo is better then Casspi, and Felton is better then Udrih, so you are putting a lot of stock in that draft pick who probably won't be as good as the birdman for a year or two, and Mayo and JR are a wash. Harrington will be playing a ton of minutes with that rotation. I think if you are willing to trade Gallo and Felton that you should get a better player back in return.

[The Rebel]

Lawson/ Udrih/ minimum free agent
Afflalo/ mayo
Casspi/ chandler/ Forbes
Nene/ harrington/
Mozgov/ Rookie/ Koufos/

I am not sure that lineup makes Denver a better team, it looks quite similar to what they are putting on the floor now. Gallo is better then Casspi, and Felton is better then Udrih, so you are putting a lot of stock in that draft pick who probably won't be as good as the birdman for a year or two, and Mayo and JR are a wash. Harrington will be playing a ton of minutes with that rotation. I think if you are willing to trade Gallo and Felton that you should get a better player back in return.

I have never understood the idea that you can trade a couple of players and innediatly get a better player, nobody is going to give up a ton of talent for 2 guys like that, you are going to get a couple of lesser players and a good pick or two, or you will have to take major salary for a marginal upgrade in talent.

As for what I would end up with, you are right, for next year they would not be as good next year. Instead they would have a young rookie bigman that they can spend a year developing, and a ton of cap space going forward with a nice draft pick coming for the summer of 2012. I am still convinced that the salary cap is going down at a minimum, and that there will be more disincentive add to the tax somehow to lower salaries, given that, this deal leaves the Nuggets with plenty of assets to pick and choose from the pieces that will be traded when the teams are forced to start dumping salary which will be between now and the next trade deadline.

[eathb_au]

I'd like to keep everyone and start Gallo at the 4 next season.

[Kiki_V]

Gonna be a real interesting off season for sure.

I hate to rain on a parade, but for me, the nuggets should just fire Karl. He is absolutely an abomination. By far the biggest problem w/this team. Has been and will be.

Can anyone here really say the Thunder are a significantly more talented team then us? I cant.

JR is a device figure for good reason. He has all the talent in the world. But what has Karl done w/him? He has turned him into a bench player whose job is to come in and shoot the lights out. If he's not hot then he gets benched. Karl has encouraged him to just hoist up shots, and if they dont go in he blames JR for the nuggs probs.

Prob is JR should be your backup point. He is at his best IMO when he penetrates dishes and makes plays. He has great court vision and can make tons of plays. Dwayne Wadeish w/ a better 3 ball. Sure he can shoot, but he has been type-casted by Karl despite being the most talented player on this team. A good coach would develop that. What do u think Phil Jackson would do w/this team? W/JR?

On a positive note, this team has tons of talent. This is where the FO makes their money (they already did w/the melo trade.)

I would do the following, so that means it will never happen.

1. FIRE KARL! He has NEVER ever been a good coach. EVER. He has Always been a terrible coach Look at Seattle. Look at this series. My dog would do better.

2. Pick btwn Gallo and Chandler or neither. They are the same type player. At this point if chandler can be had for a decent price i take him. I dont think much of Gallo, i would trade him if i can get something decent.

3. You have 4 legit guards you need 3. I would dump Felton for the best we can get, or keep all 4 and run a small lineup part of the time. This 2 pg lineup though is garbage. Cut it out. They cant score.

4. Let Kmart walk. Yeah hes a decent player, but he is getting older. That and he just bothers me.

5. Feature Nene a bit more as a low post option. He cant really be stopped down there if he is aggressive.

6. Get one big that can rebound & play a lick of D. Maybe we have that w/moz or the other guy? But we need that for sure.

7. Resign JR, fire Karl.

[The Rebel]

If it was up to me I would fire Karl right now, and have a brinks truck pulling up to Adelman's house with a contract for whatever it would take to convince him to come here. However I doubt there is anyway the Nuggets fire Karl considering they just signed him to a 3 year extension.