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Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#1 » by Ice32 » Mon Jan 2, 2012 8:46 am

This guy flat out sucks. He is playing over 23 mpg and shoots a dismal 31% from the field and 24% from three point land. 70% of his field goal attempts are from deep, and he just doesn't make them often enough to warrant him playing this much time.

His minutes have dropped each game for the last 4 games - 30, 22, 19 & 15, which maybe shows that Coach Karl is losing faith in him. If his role on this team is to be the '6th Man' like Coach Karl proclaimed when he joined Denver, then he needs to start playing like one. Defensively, he's not that active, and offensively, he's very limited. He doesn't draw fouls, he's only attempted 8 FTs in 115 minutes (1 every 14 mins of action). I hope Coach Karl realises that Rudy is just not cut out for the NBA and that his minutes are cut back and given to someone who is more efficient.
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Post#2 » by The Rebel » Mon Jan 2, 2012 12:28 pm

Problem is there is nobody better to bring off the bench. I know you are a Brewer fan, but he has shown less ability then rudy at this point, and neither of them have shown to deserve more the minimal minutes at this point.
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Re: Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#3 » by KAVK » Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:47 pm

The Rebel wrote:Problem is there is nobody better to bring off the bench. I know you are a Brewer fan, but he has shown less ability then rudy at this point, and neither of them have shown to deserve more the minimal minutes at this point.


Rudy looks could even less suited then Brewer at this point & Karl may be using him just to have his presence what is left of it while hoping he could find his game before it runs out imo. If he shows no sign down the road, then Karl needs to experiment Brewer + Rookie.

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Post#4 » by DaFan334 » Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:55 pm

I feel like Chandler is a more likely candidate than JR to pack a punch off the bench if Rudy can't fill that role. JR probably burned his bridges here a bit. This first month may be a tough time to make too much of a judgement on Rudy because of the lack of time to fully adjust in a normal training camp. I hope a lot of our shooting troubles as a team in general are a result of this lack of a full team at a very short training camp.
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Re: Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#5 » by KAVK » Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:24 pm

DaFan334 wrote:I feel like Chandler is a more likely candidate than JR to pack a punch off the bench if Rudy can't fill that role. JR probably burned his bridges here a bit. This first month may be a tough time to make too much of a judgement on Rudy because of the lack of time to fully adjust in a normal training camp. I hope a lot of our shooting troubles as a team in general are a result of this lack of a full team at a very short training camp.


Reason i think otherwise on Chandler is his will to start & play sufficient PT may not fit with our program. Team may only use him as a trading chip but i could be wrong. As for our shooting troubles is more of individual player thing than a team training camp imo. You are right, gotta see how team will progress into next 20 + games to have a realistic insights.
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Re: Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#6 » by Maf » Mon Jan 2, 2012 4:58 pm

He and Galo played at EURO's, at Euroleague and national leagues. So short camp can't affect their shooting at all. Truth is, Galo shoot poorly whole season. FG%- 41.1%, 3- 25.5% at Italian league. At Euroleague 52.9% FG (great) but only 26.7% from threes.

Rudy at Spanish league- 68% and 39% threes.
At Eurolegue 48.4% and 31.9% 3PT.

Euroleague stats are separated 2pts FG and 3pts FG, at spanish league as well. Don't know about italian league.
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Post#7 » by eathb_au » Mon Jan 2, 2012 5:34 pm

He fades on every single jumpshot he takes. Why can't he shoot normally?
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Post#8 » by The Rebel » Mon Jan 2, 2012 7:26 pm

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DaFan334 wrote:I feel like Chandler is a more likely candidate than JR to pack a punch off the bench if Rudy can't fill that role. JR probably burned his bridges here a bit. This first month may be a tough time to make too much of a judgement on Rudy because of the lack of time to fully adjust in a normal training camp. I hope a lot of our shooting troubles as a team in general are a result of this lack of a full team at a very short training camp.


Reason i think otherwise on Chandler is his will to start & play sufficient PT may not fit with our program. Team may only use him as a trading chip but i could be wrong. As for our shooting troubles is more of individual player thing than a team training camp imo. You are right, gotta see how team will progress into next 20 + games to have a realistic insights.


I am afraid I think you are right Chandler wants to start and play true starters minutes, which he knows will never happen as long as he is on the same team as Gallo, personally I would trade Gallo, but that is just me.

As for your previous question on JR, I don't know if the Nuggets would consider even bringing him back, but we need him or another scorer badly.
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Re: Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#9 » by Ice32 » Mon Jan 2, 2012 9:26 pm

The Rebel wrote:Problem is there is nobody better to bring off the bench. I know you are a Brewer fan, but he has shown less ability then rudy at this point, and neither of them have shown to deserve more the minimal minutes at this point.


How can Brewer prove he is more valuable than Rudy when he gets just 26 minutes total in 5 games? He played garbage minutes in the first 2 blowout wins and 30 secs vs Portland. But even still, his numbers and efficiency are better than what Rudy produces. At least Brewer plays with energy and hustle. Yeah he doesn't have the best shot either, but he knows how to draw fouls and attack the rim. And he knows when to shoot a three, and when not to shoot a three. Rudy just chucks them (5 per game).

I just don't understand why Denver made the trade to get Rudy/Brewer, yet have no intention of playing Brewer....he gets over 3 mil this season and next....so I guess Denver just like having depth but don't really utilise it.
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Post#10 » by dr. strangelove » Mon Jan 2, 2012 11:20 pm

Last season, Blazers fans were also complaining about Rudy's shots not falling. But for some reason, the team was playing better with him on the court.
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Post#11 » by corona » Tue Jan 3, 2012 1:37 am

The Rebel wrote:Problem is there is nobody better to bring off the bench. I know you are a Brewer fan, but he has shown less ability then rudy at this point, and neither of them have shown to deserve more the minimal minutes at this point.

i know it's been mostly garbage time....but brewer's defense and energy was outstanding in the minutes he's played so far this season.

if rudy's just gonna shoot 3's, and his shot is off....then i think having brewer out there may be more valuable at this point, at least until fernandez shows in limited minutes that he's back to hitting shots.
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Re: Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#12 » by Ice32 » Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:21 am

Brewer again proved his value in todays game. 1 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blks and 10 pts in just 14 mins. Thats efficient! He attacks the rim every time in transition and gets to the FT line.

AAA looks lost, he has zero confidence. Rudy still shoots badly, but Denver play well when he's on the court. Kosta should start at C. I wonder how long Nene is out for? Big Al is just playing like a monster!!
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Post#13 » by Maf » Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:12 am

Ice32 wrote:Brewer again proved his value in todays game. 1 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blks and 10 pts in just 14 mins. Thats efficient! He attacks the rim every time in transition and gets to the FT line.

AAA looks lost, he has zero confidence. Rudy still shoots badly, but Denver play well when he's on the court. Kosta should start at C. I wonder how long Nene is out for? Big Al is just playing like a monster!!






He had great block, that's right. But only thing he proved tonight is that he has basketball IQ of defrosted carrot. He attacks the rim... Only problem is that he goes to three defenders and throws the ball without knowing where to.
Rudy didn't play well until the finish when he, Dre and Al won the game. (and defense of whole team)
Agree with Kosta. Mozgov is terrible.
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Re: Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#14 » by KAVK » Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:07 am

corona wrote:
The Rebel wrote:Problem is there is nobody better to bring off the bench. I know you are a Brewer fan, but he has shown less ability then rudy at this point, and neither of them have shown to deserve more the minimal minutes at this point.

i know it's been mostly garbage time....but brewer's defense and energy was outstanding in the minutes he's played so far this season.

if rudy's just gonna shoot 3's, and his shot is off....then i think having brewer out there may be more valuable at this point, at least until fernandez shows in limited minutes that he's back to hitting shots.


Karl may be banking on Rudy to get his touch back as we are in need of scorer off the bench more than we need defender & hustler BUT that could change sooner with AAA having some sort of rust at this time.
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Re: Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#15 » by KAVK » Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:13 am

Maf wrote:
Ice32 wrote:Brewer again proved his value in todays game. 1 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 2 blks and 10 pts in just 14 mins. Thats efficient! He attacks the rim every time in transition and gets to the FT line.

AAA looks lost, he has zero confidence. Rudy still shoots badly, but Denver play well when he's on the court. Kosta should start at C. I wonder how long Nene is out for? Big Al is just playing like a monster!!






He had great block, that's right. But only thing he proved tonight is that he has basketball IQ of defrosted carrot. He attacks the rim... Only problem is that he goes to three defenders and throws the ball without knowing where to.
Rudy didn't play well until the finish when he, Dre and Al won the game. (and defense of whole team)
Agree with Kosta. Mozgov is terrible.


Can't blame Mozgov yet as he is just starting have somewhat quality PT with this team. I liked Kosta for his efforts but both of them are not really in a condition to be utilized for starter C as for PT. I would grant PT to Kosta but not more than Mozgov's at this time if i were Karl but that's just me.
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Re: Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#16 » by Maf » Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:42 am

Mozgov pisses me of for now but I don't mean to cut him off the team at all. I just wouldn't start him. It kinda hurts that he commits two quick fauls every game.
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Re: Bench Rudy Fernandez 

Post#17 » by a_sensei » Tue Jan 3, 2012 11:07 pm

After this play late in his rookie year Rudy developed chronic back problems. He has not been anywhere near the same shooter since. It's a shame, you hate to see a guy's career trajectory head downwards at such an early age. Supposedly it was the Blazers system that held Rudy in check, but it didn't hold him in check his rookie year. Seeing him struggle in Denver reinforces the fact that Rudy is just not the player he used to be. I am still hoping to see Fernandez to play well in Denver but I have my doubts.

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Post#18 » by The Rebel » Tue Jan 3, 2012 11:15 pm

corona wrote:
The Rebel wrote:Problem is there is nobody better to bring off the bench. I know you are a Brewer fan, but he has shown less ability then rudy at this point, and neither of them have shown to deserve more the minimal minutes at this point.

i know it's been mostly garbage time....but brewer's defense and energy was outstanding in the minutes he's played so far this season.

if rudy's just gonna shoot 3's, and his shot is off....then i think having brewer out there may be more valuable at this point, at least until fernandez shows in limited minutes that he's back to hitting shots.


Defense and energy are nice, but the team is struggling with scoring and outside shooting, while I agree rudy does not seem to be helping much, they need to figure out something else.

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