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KMart goes off on Karl, and the Melo situation 

Post#1 » by The Rebel » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:58 pm

Kenyon Martin wrote:"Man, listen, George needs to keep his mouth shut, first and foremost," Martin said. "Melo don't play there no more. So Karl shouldn't be commenting on Melo. If George was such a great coach, then Melo would want to stay. He wouldn't want to leave.

"If the organization was ran right, he wouldn't want to leave, so it ain't Melo. With Melo, not one time when he was there [in the Nuggets' locker room] did he bring that in the locker room when all that stuff was going on. Not one day. Everybody made it a bigger deal than it had to be. That's a good kid.

"They act like this kid was a cancer, like he came in there and destroyed the locker room and made everybody hate him. No, it wasn't nothing like that man. And it bothers me for people to be talking about how he's a selfish player and he has to defend himself."



"They've got the team they wanted now," Martin said. "They got all us out of there. They didn't offer me an extension, they traded [Anthony], J.R. [Smith] is gone [to New York]. They've got the team they want. So why doesn't [Karl] worry about coaching them and leaving Melo alone -- bottom line? It bothers me for them to keep harping at that."


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I know some Nuggets fans hate Melo now, I also know that some have fully bought into this whole new depth concept, but personally it bugs the hell out of me the way things have happened with this team over the last year. I understand the Melo deal, and I understand why they put Chauncey in the deal, I even understand why they did not extend KMart, but the fact that we need a guy exactly like JR and they never even were rumored to consider calling the guy bugs me. As hard as I try I still don't understand why they decided not to fully rebuild and instead decided to go right to franchise hell with a bunch of role players getting paid fair money, but enough of them to cap out the team.

Karl has always had problems with his most talented players, and has always loved to say whatever he thinks to the media, but our record tells the story this is not a team that is deep, we lost 4 of our top 5 players to start last year, and have downgraded with their replacements across the board. Karl has always excelled at getting the most out of his role players, but has never really seemed to get that from his stars, it is one of the reasons that Karl has always been a good coach but never a great coach. this team is not a contender, and really I feel they are the furthest away they have been since 2004.

clear back when the Nuggets hired Karl, I said it was fine as long as he was kept away from the front office, but with a young owner and an inexperienced GM, along with Karl's smiling face all over the media, I am sure that he is the one that not only convinced them to do the Knicks deal, but is happy with things just the way they are. The Nuggets are not rebuilding because Karl does not want to, they do not want a superstar because Karl does not want to deal with one, and they are stuck in mediocrity because they are listening to a guy who once traded a young Ray Allen for a well past his prime Gary Payton, because he did not like Ray Allen's attitude (despite every other coach I have ever heard talk about him loving his attitude). Until they take back some power from Karl, and start making moves based on the court, instead of trying to appease Karl, I think we are in for a long road.
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Post#2 » by almost famous » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:11 pm

Stay classy, K-Mart.
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Post#3 » by Ice32 » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:40 pm

This guy cannot even speak proper english. The Denver record since the Melo trade speaks for itself. If K-Mart wanted here so badly, why did he go to China - the guy is a millionaire.

Good on him though for defending the 'good kid'.

But in a way Rebel, you are right, right now Karl wants to prove to the world that you can be competitive without superstars, and at 14-5, Denver were looking very good. But injuries to Gallo and Nene, and your records starts to look like that of a mediocre team. Yes we have role players, but look at what Dallas achieved last year with a 38 yr old Kidd and Dirk. Terry, Marion, DS, Haywood, Chandler were all 'role players' - as in they knew their role and did it well and no one complained.

I still believe that this Denver squad can make some noise in the West and maybe win a playoff series. It will be fun to watch anyway. And if New York didn't have Lin right now, they wouldn't be winning games like they are.

Ask Kemp, Payton, Ray Allen, anyone that played for Coach Karl - he is a players coach and rewards people who play basketball the right way.
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Re: KMart goes off on Karl, and the Melo situation 

Post#4 » by clockwork » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:41 pm

i always liked k-mart as a player.

off the court, he's obviously not the brightest bulb.

on karl, i'm not too concerned with the past. whatever happened with melo and kmart and jr and karl is passed me, i don't see why when asked by a reporter about melo and our past team why he should evade the question.

i'm satisfied the way we started the season, with a healthy squad. whether we're considered contenders or not is also nonsensical because with the team we have now, we haven't played one playoff game.

regardless what people say, i'm in favor of having of karl's philosophy on this team. it's been done before and don't see why it's not possible again.
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Post#5 » by clockwork » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:02 pm

also we have no control over it so why be downers about it.
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Post#6 » by koogiking » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:25 am

Everyone from Melo, to KMart to JR, Ray Allen Shawn Kemp Gary Payton etc. have been at odds with George Karl. At some point it can't just be the players fault. Karl likes to pick on certain players and use them as scapegoats.
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Post#7 » by eathb_au » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:45 am

George Karl needs to go.
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Post#8 » by DaFan334 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:54 am

Hes just mad we didn't give him the deal with gave Harrington, because we clearly didn't give him enough in his 7 years here. I assume he was also out of twitter users to talk smack to.
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Post#9 » by The Rebel » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:25 am

almost famous wrote:Stay classy, K-Mart.


wouldn't the same apply to Karl with his constant comments about Melo and some of the former players?
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Post#10 » by The Rebel » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:29 am

Ice32 wrote:This guy cannot even speak proper english. The Denver record since the Melo trade speaks for itself. If K-Mart wanted here so badly, why did he go to China - the guy is a millionaire.

Good on him though for defending the 'good kid'.

But in a way Rebel, you are right, right now Karl wants to prove to the world that you can be competitive without superstars, and at 14-5, Denver were looking very good. But injuries to Gallo and Nene, and your records starts to look like that of a mediocre team. Yes we have role players, but look at what Dallas achieved last year with a 38 yr old Kidd and Dirk. Terry, Marion, DS, Haywood, Chandler were all 'role players' - as in they knew their role and did it well and no one complained.

I still believe that this Denver squad can make some noise in the West and maybe win a playoff series. It will be fun to watch anyway. And if New York didn't have Lin right now, they wouldn't be winning games like they are.

Ask Kemp, Payton, Ray Allen, anyone that played for Coach Karl - he is a players coach and rewards people who play basketball the right way.


Your right Dallas won with the help of several role players, but the main piece was and still is a superstar in dirk, to ignore the fact that dirk is a superstar and then trying to use his team as an example is ludicrous.

Payton and Allen loved Karl so much they refused to even discuss coming to Denver when they were free agents and the Nuggets were rumored to want them. Karl traded a prime ray Allen while at the top of his game and that at least his last 2 coaches have called the consummate professional, even while at the top of his game. Karl is a role player coach and always has been, he usually feuds with his most talented players, and that has went on for decades.
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Post#11 » by The Rebel » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:31 am

eathb_au wrote:George Karl needs to go.



I wouldn't go that far right now, as I do not see anybody out there and available that is a better coach. but he should no longer be able to discuss roster moves with either Ujiri or the kroenkes
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Post#12 » by almost famous » Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:03 am

Karl didn't say anything about Melo that wasn't blatantly obvious.
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Post#13 » by diablerouge » Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:17 am

it goes both ways. melo could have said things that are blatantly obvious about karl too but never did. k-mart is not the most well-mannered guy but he does have a point: karl does not need to talk about melo. at all.
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Post#14 » by frizzledizzle » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:55 pm

Kenyon Martin is a hoodrat and Carmelo is overrated. All offense, no defense. Keep on taking that last shot in New York, Melo... given how much you, Amare and Chandler are paid, you shouldn't have that many opportunities at shooting game winning shots. Oh wait, you don't even have a winning record so missing the game winner at least means you were in the game. Bum.

A little undrafted PG out of Harvard that was cut by two teams and sleeps on couches >>>> Melo.
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Post#15 » by sportsmikegm23 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:58 pm

It's just not that cut and dry Rebel. I understand you are correct saying that Allen and Payton didn't mention coming here when there was interest. Let's be a little honest... 1. George can be a very inconsistent coach- yes, he loves the role players, the harder workers. 2. Part of the reason he got on Gary and Ray and Carmelo was to get better, that is suppose to be his job, right? Of course, there is suppose to be professionalism but it goes both ways. You can't just blame George for trying to get the best out of them... yes, George has an issue with superstars, but maybe they should go play defense (Ray and Melo). It took KG for Ray to play any defense... Melo??? everyone once in a great while you see his potential for playing d.

As far as the trade... You know Melo and Mrs. Melo were driving that train to NYC- it wouldn't matter who the coach was... (ok maybe if Phil Jackson was here). Does it suck not having a star...of course it does... it makes night losing a game when you had 4 chances to win and fumble it away very aggravating... but what is the alternative? getting a top 3 pick? Anthony Davis? there isn't a LeBron, D-Wade, Melo, DH12, CP3 in this draft. I thought you were more of the basketball purist and team? more of the Spurs model and yes, I know they have a star... but that star makes them accountable for everything... Melo never did... neither has LeBron- even Larry Bird was quoted that he's rather play with Kobe to win rings. If Gallo and Ty aren't any better than they are currently...don't worry, they will be blowing things up very soon and we will head back to the lottery.

J.R?? --- no, not you? JR Smith was the most infuriating basketball player I have ever seen. One moment is is flat out amazing... penetrate and dish, under control, open from half court, and could play D at times as well....(all of that in a few minutes) then shooting unintelligent shots, not playing D, crying at the refs, getting tech's, and pouting... Yes, Karl didn't do JR many favors, but it is a 2 way street... he didn't play the game the right way 1/2 of the time and you more than anyone know this.

Do I like Melo anymore...no, he hated on the team and the city I love-- he wanted to be a world wide name, the move was not a basketball move- it was a money move, good for him if he can go get it- but I am a Nuggets fan, why should I be fond of someone that force his way out??? That's why I in pro sports I try not to get attached to a "favorite" cause they are here today and gone tomorrow.

and finally K-mart and Karl haven't seen eye to eye in some time...they got over the whole playoff suspension thing back in the day and all, but both had their stance on that. Karl is far from perfect and can be totally aggravating, but this situation we fans are in now... it wouldn't any better if Melo were still here- probably be about the same place... and if Karl were gone... we'd be in pretty much the same boat- Karl can work with the right superstar... and Melo can win a championship in NYC... if he plays some D and plays a little faster and gives up the rock some. They both have issues.
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Re: KMart goes off on Karl, and the Melo situation 

Post#16 » by Nuggninja » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:02 pm

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Ice32 wrote:This guy cannot even speak proper english. The Denver record since the Melo trade speaks for itself. If K-Mart wanted here so badly, why did he go to China - the guy is a millionaire.

Good on him though for defending the 'good kid'.

But in a way Rebel, you are right, right now Karl wants to prove to the world that you can be competitive without superstars, and at 14-5, Denver were looking very good. But injuries to Gallo and Nene, and your records starts to look like that of a mediocre team. Yes we have role players, but look at what Dallas achieved last year with a 38 yr old Kidd and Dirk. Terry, Marion, DS, Haywood, Chandler were all 'role players' - as in they knew their role and did it well and no one complained.

I still believe that this Denver squad can make some noise in the West and maybe win a playoff series. It will be fun to watch anyway. And if New York didn't have Lin right now, they wouldn't be winning games like they are.

Ask Kemp, Payton, Ray Allen, anyone that played for Coach Karl - he is a players coach and rewards people who play basketball the right way.


Your right Dallas won with the help of several role players, but the main piece was and still is a superstar in dirk, to ignore the fact that dirk is a superstar and then trying to use his team as an example is ludicrous.

Payton and Allen loved Karl so much they refused to even discuss coming to Denver when they were free agents and the Nuggets were rumored to want them. Karl traded a prime ray Allen while at the top of his game and that at least his last 2 coaches have called the consummate professional, even while at the top of his game. Karl is a role player coach and always has been, he usually feuds with his most talented players, and that has went on for decades.


I agree Karl is a diva and that drives players away.

And that's why there was no way JR Smith wanted to come back. And that was before Karl went on the radio and called him crazy.
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Post#17 » by Nuggninja » Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:02 pm

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Ice32 wrote:This guy cannot even speak proper english. The Denver record since the Melo trade speaks for itself. If K-Mart wanted here so badly, why did he go to China - the guy is a millionaire.

Good on him though for defending the 'good kid'.

But in a way Rebel, you are right, right now Karl wants to prove to the world that you can be competitive without superstars, and at 14-5, Denver were looking very good. But injuries to Gallo and Nene, and your records starts to look like that of a mediocre team. Yes we have role players, but look at what Dallas achieved last year with a 38 yr old Kidd and Dirk. Terry, Marion, DS, Haywood, Chandler were all 'role players' - as in they knew their role and did it well and no one complained.

I still believe that this Denver squad can make some noise in the West and maybe win a playoff series. It will be fun to watch anyway. And if New York didn't have Lin right now, they wouldn't be winning games like they are.

Ask Kemp, Payton, Ray Allen, anyone that played for Coach Karl - he is a players coach and rewards people who play basketball the right way.


Your right Dallas won with the help of several role players, but the main piece was and still is a superstar in dirk, to ignore the fact that dirk is a superstar and then trying to use his team as an example is ludicrous.

Payton and Allen loved Karl so much they refused to even discuss coming to Denver when they were free agents and the Nuggets were rumored to want them. Karl traded a prime ray Allen while at the top of his game and that at least his last 2 coaches have called the consummate professional, even while at the top of his game. Karl is a role player coach and always has been, he usually feuds with his most talented players, and that has went on for decades.


I agree Karl is a diva and that drives players away.

And that's why there was no way JR Smith wanted to come back. And that was before Karl went on the radio and called him crazy.
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Post#18 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:40 am

Karl seems to love to take Faried out of games way too soon.
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Post#19 » by clockwork » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:58 pm

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The Rebel wrote:
Ice32 wrote:This guy cannot even speak proper english. The Denver record since the Melo trade speaks for itself. If K-Mart wanted here so badly, why did he go to China - the guy is a millionaire.

Good on him though for defending the 'good kid'.

But in a way Rebel, you are right, right now Karl wants to prove to the world that you can be competitive without superstars, and at 14-5, Denver were looking very good. But injuries to Gallo and Nene, and your records starts to look like that of a mediocre team. Yes we have role players, but look at what Dallas achieved last year with a 38 yr old Kidd and Dirk. Terry, Marion, DS, Haywood, Chandler were all 'role players' - as in they knew their role and did it well and no one complained.

I still believe that this Denver squad can make some noise in the West and maybe win a playoff series. It will be fun to watch anyway. And if New York didn't have Lin right now, they wouldn't be winning games like they are.

Ask Kemp, Payton, Ray Allen, anyone that played for Coach Karl - he is a players coach and rewards people who play basketball the right way.


Your right Dallas won with the help of several role players, but the main piece was and still is a superstar in dirk, to ignore the fact that dirk is a superstar and then trying to use his team as an example is ludicrous.

Payton and Allen loved Karl so much they refused to even discuss coming to Denver when they were free agents and the Nuggets were rumored to want them. Karl traded a prime ray Allen while at the top of his game and that at least his last 2 coaches have called the consummate professional, even while at the top of his game. Karl is a role player coach and always has been, he usually feuds with his most talented players, and that has went on for decades.


I agree Karl is a diva and that drives players away.

And that's why there was no way JR Smith wanted to come back. And that was before Karl went on the radio and called him crazy.

karl drives certain players away. kmart, jr, and melo all share "that" personality that nobody necessarily would like to work with.

karl isn't a diva. melo, jr and kmart are divas.
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Post#20 » by clockwork » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:58 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Karl seems to love to take Faried out of games way too soon.

he's been that way with all rookies.

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