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Post#1 » by clockwork » Sun May 13, 2012 10:01 pm

looks like he's happy playing here. it's a difficult situation whether he'd get the playing time he deserves. our problem is obvious, too many good players and no one proven consistent leader that can average at least 17 points per game, every game. but we are in need of outside shooters and i think he could provide that. before the injury he was playing great and i'm willing to see how he comes back healthy.

"My time here was perfect," said Fernandez before leaving for Spain, where he plans to rehab from back surgery. "I'm so happy to be a part of this community and this team. I think I have a very good relationship with the coach. The dynamic from basketball to play, I think it's perfect for me, to run to play hard. When I was healthy and feeling good, I think I'm a good player for this team and I help this team win.

"If they offer a contract, I'll listen to stay here and play with the Nuggets."


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Post#2 » by Ice32 » Sun May 13, 2012 11:19 pm

No thanks. Brewer is virtually the same but more athletic. J Ham and Stone need minutes next year to develop, Rudy takes that away from them.

UNLESS Dre decides to leave, then Rudy would be handy to have around.
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Post#3 » by The Rebel » Mon May 14, 2012 1:46 am

rudy and Brewer are not virtually the same, rudy is a much better ball handler and distributor, Brewer is a much better defender and finisher. neither one of them are all that good of outside shooters, but they are both streaky.


Personally I would pass on Rudy, rather have a better outside shooter to go with Brewer off the bench at the 2/3.
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Post#4 » by clockwork » Mon May 14, 2012 2:37 am

i see brewer and chandler being more similar than rudy and brewer. both are good defensively and are streaky outside shooters, neither are too good at passing but are great finishers. you have to assume that one of them is going to be moved.

guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens during the summer. it'd be pretty impressive if ujiri could pull off that chandler + 20th pick for toronto's 8th pick, seeing how he has ties with that organization.

if rudy were to stay, i don't think he'd cost too much, maybe somewhere in the area of 18 mil/4 years? probably less. i'd like for him to stay, he like brewer fits in perfectly in our system and who knows maybe the back surgery brought him back a little to his former self of his rook year?
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Post#5 » by corona » Mon May 14, 2012 3:06 am

no thanks.

i thought he had a contract in the euroleague waiting for him and didn't want to play in the nba after this current one was up?

chucks too many 3's (especially for how average of a shooter he is), and i don't like his gambling defense at all.
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Post#6 » by clockwork » Mon May 14, 2012 3:41 am

corona wrote:no thanks.

i thought he had a contract in the euroleague waiting for him and didn't want to play in the nba after this current one was up?

chucks too many 3's (especially for how average of a shooter he is), and i don't like his gambling defense at all.

that was my first reaction too. i think it all depends on what happens to chandler and miller. our advantage is depth and if we can't find serviceable replacements, he's likely to stay.

of course there are a ton of better players out there, but cutting him loose for nothing seems like a waste. unless the alternative options are in front of me, i'd keep him as a trade asset, if not as a player.
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Post#7 » by clockwork » Mon May 14, 2012 3:49 am

i guess i'm jumping the gun on chandler a bit.... now that i think about it. the aura is telling me that he'll be gone :rofl:
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Post#8 » by Ice32 » Mon May 14, 2012 5:06 am

I agree, Rudy is a better ball handler and distributor but is trigger happy from behind the three. Brewer is a better runner and fast break finisher and is a better defender. Chandler looks like a better overall shooter and rebounder, pretty good defender, but his shot selection after China was pretty poor.

I think if GK had his way, all 3 will be back, but that wouldn't make sense. I see Rudy staying in Spain where he will get more money and mins. I see Chandler possibly being moved, and I see Brewer most likely to stay - simply because he gives 110% effort and accepted his role as a 20 mpg back up to Afflalo/Gallo and played pleasantly well in the Playoffs.

C - McGee, Mozzy, Koufos
PF - Faried, Harrington
SF - Gallo, Brewer
SG - Afflalo, Hamilton
PG - Lawson, Stone

I see Birdman being the Amnesty victim and Miller leaving for free agency. Whilst Harrington has 3 years left for 21 million, only 2 years are guaranteed.

Brewer could be involved in a trade, but I think Chandler is more likely to go.
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Post#9 » by RRFB » Mon May 14, 2012 1:01 pm

If we can bring Rudy back for one year at the QO or give him a Koufos-like contract, I'd be ok with it. I still think he's a good fit for our system and we could probably use his ballhandling and playmaking ability if Andre walks. I'd rather get a better shooter or develop Hamilton but if Rudy is there for cheap, I don't think it's a bad option.

I fully expect Ujiri to shop Chandler + #20 to move up into the lottery. Toronto seems like a possibility with the 8th pick.
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Post#10 » by nugzin2040 » Mon May 14, 2012 4:34 pm

I'd be ok bringing him back. Seems to be a guy that was a positive force in our locker room, and can be a quality reserve if brought back.

I'd rather move Chandler if we can to be honest.
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Post#11 » by Mass Rig » Mon May 14, 2012 7:41 pm

The second unit with Brewer and Rudy played very very well at the beginning of the year. Great transition game and 3 point threat.
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Post#12 » by youngthegiant » Mon May 14, 2012 10:28 pm

i don't know about bringing rudy back, jordan hamilton will just be rotting away on the bench. We gotta get him some minutes next year.
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Post#13 » by The Rebel » Tue May 15, 2012 12:14 am

youngthegiant wrote:i don't know about bringing rudy back, jordan hamilton will just be rotting away on the bench. We gotta get him some minutes next year.


While I would love to see hamilton getting more minutes, he has to earn those minutes, just like the rest of the guys on the team. faried forced the Nuggets to create room for him by working his ass off and being effective in the few minutes he got to start the season, Hamilton, stone and whoever they draft this year should have to do the same thing.

If Hamilton can beat out whatever 2 guard they bring in, then he should get every minute, I think one of the reasons this team has been as successful as it has is that there are plenty of good players fighting for minutes, I would hate to see that part of the team culture change just so hamilton can get a few more minutes.
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Post#14 » by CanNugget » Tue May 15, 2012 5:12 am

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youngthegiant wrote:i don't know about bringing rudy back, jordan hamilton will just be rotting away on the bench. We gotta get him some minutes next year.


While I would love to see hamilton getting more minutes, he has to earn those minutes, just like the rest of the guys on the team. faried forced the Nuggets to create room for him by working his ass off and being effective in the few minutes he got to start the season, Hamilton, stone and whoever they draft this year should have to do the same thing.

If Hamilton can beat out whatever 2 guard they bring in, then he should get every minute, I think one of the reasons this team has been as successful as it has is that there are plenty of good players fighting for minutes, I would hate to see that part of the team culture change just so hamilton can get a few more minutes.


Normally I would completely agree with that, however, GK hasn't been known to always go with the beast talent. When he has favourites, which Rudy seems to be, then Hamilton may never get a fair shot. Although there has been a few instances where he has proven me wrong and in Hamilton's case I hope he proves me wrong again.

Like Corona said, too many 3's and too many gambles on defense. Let him walk.
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Post#15 » by sisibilio » Tue May 15, 2012 7:17 pm

RRFB wrote:If we can bring Rudy back for one year at the QO or give him a Koufos-like contract, I'd be ok with it. I still think he's a good fit for our system and we could probably use his ballhandling and playmaking ability if Andre walks. I'd rather get a better shooter or develop Hamilton but if Rudy is there for cheap, I don't think it's a bad option.

I fully expect Ujiri to shop Chandler + #20 to move up into the lottery. Toronto seems like a possibility with the 8th pick.

He's got a contract waiting for him ni Madrid worth more than the MLE, i seriously doubt he'd accept that offer.
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Post#16 » by OmniDEN » Tue May 15, 2012 10:20 pm

Totally agree with corona and rebel. No reason to re-sign Rudy when we already went through a pretty harsh re-signing period and still gotta work it out with Ty and McGee. Brewer is a better bench player to have than Rudy, his terrible and streaky shooting and lack of defense is the worst part of it
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Post#17 » by Raptor_Claw » Thu May 17, 2012 5:13 am

BTW, if you are wondering, Real Madrid's offer to Rudy is for 3 years and $13.3 million.
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Post#18 » by The Rebel » Thu May 17, 2012 5:54 am

Raptor_Claw wrote:BTW, if you are wondering, Real Madrid's offer to Rudy is for 3 years and $13.3 million.


If that is the offer, then he should go to Europe, as an NBA team would have to pay him a little more then the MLE for rudy to net the same amount of money. Definitely do not see any team offering him that considering the downturn in his game over the last few years, as well as the injury problems.
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Post#19 » by Raptor_Claw » Sat May 19, 2012 12:33 am

The Rebel wrote:
Raptor_Claw wrote:BTW, if you are wondering, Real Madrid's offer to Rudy is for 3 years and $13.3 million.


If that is the offer, then he should go to Europe, as an NBA team would have to pay him a little more then the MLE for rudy to net the same amount of money. Definitely do not see any team offering him that considering the downturn in his game over the last few years, as well as the injury problems.


That amount is the gross amount, not the net amount. Spanish teams don't pay net salaries anymore. That ended, due to the economic crisis. Other leagues like Turkey, Greece, Italy, Russia, etc. are still paying net salaries, but not in Spain.

Also, they doubled the taxes on their contracts, also due to the economic situation. So Rudy's Real Madrid contract for next season would be worth $1.6 million less per season than it was this year, when the taxes were half as much.
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Post#20 » by clockwork » Sat May 19, 2012 2:24 am

Raptor_Claw wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
Raptor_Claw wrote:BTW, if you are wondering, Real Madrid's offer to Rudy is for 3 years and $13.3 million.


If that is the offer, then he should go to Europe, as an NBA team would have to pay him a little more then the MLE for rudy to net the same amount of money. Definitely do not see any team offering him that considering the downturn in his game over the last few years, as well as the injury problems.


That amount is the gross amount, not the net amount. Spanish teams don't pay net salaries anymore. That ended, due to the economic crisis. Other leagues like Turkey, Greece, Italy, Russia, etc. are still paying net salaries, but not in Spain.

Also, they doubled the taxes on their contracts, also due to the economic situation. So Rudy's Real Madrid contract for next season would be worth $1.6 million less per season than it was this year, when the taxes were half as much.

awful.. do they still get the housing + other perks?

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