Wilson Chandlers future?

PhilasFinest · Post #1 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed May 23, 2012 12:41 am

Hey outsider here.

Just curious what you all think about Wilson Chandler.
I know he was in china and then went down with an injury, but do you all see him returning
To his efficient 15 5-1-1 form again next season?

I loved his game but haven't been able to see much so figured I'd try to get an inside scoop.

Thanks nuggets fans.

clockwork · Post #2 » by **clockwork** » Wed May 23, 2012 2:04 am

i don't think the injury is a problem. the problem is whether he'll get enough playing time to put up those numbers, otherwise nothing has changed. he's probably our #1 trade piece right now.

eathb_au · Post #3 » by **eathb_au** » Wed May 23, 2012 5:18 pm

Hopefully traded for something decent.

Brewer although less talented is on a cheaper contract and kills him in efficiency.

patryk7754 · Post #4 » by **patryk7754** » Wed May 23, 2012 5:59 pm

Chandler for Deng

dropBHOmbs · Post #5 » by **dropBHOmbs** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:07 pm

I hope he stays. He is valuable, versatile and young. He is also an above average FT shooter.

clockwork · Post #6 » by **clockwork** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:22 pm

patryk7754 wrote:Chandler for Deng

that makes no sense for us.

Ice32 · Post #7 » by **Ice32** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:55 am

Wilson Chandler will be involved in a trade either on Draft night or before the season starts. He is no better than Brewer and I bet will have nagging injuries for years. It's a reasonable contract for a team with cap space needing to upgrade their 3 spot. Denver have enough talent at the wing with Afflalo, Gallo, Brewer, Hamilton.

Jodi · Post #8 » by **Jodi** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 12:33 pm

Pistons fan here...Would you guys do this trade for Chandler during draft night?

Pistons get: Chandler
Nuggets get: Hill, Eyenga, Lakers 2013 1st rounder, Pistons 2012 2nd rounder
Lakers get: Prince

jmr07019 · Post #9 » by **jmr07019** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:01 pm

Boston fan here, what would Nuggets be looking to get in return?

Lawson at pg plus this

Ice32 wrote:Denver have enough talent at the wing with Afflalo, Gallo, Brewer, Hamilton.

makes me think a big or draft picks. Boston has picks 21 and 22 and / or could sign and trade Brandon Bass to Denver. Any combo of picks and Bass work for you?

Post #10 » by **The Rebel** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 7:57 pm

Jodi wrote:Pistons fan here...Would you guys do this trade for Chandler during draft night?

Pistons get: Chandler
Nuggets get: Hill, Eyenga, Lakers 2013 1st rounder, Pistons 2012 2nd rounder
Lakers get: Prince

If you mean Jordan Hill, the Lakers cannot trade him, and I see no reason for the Nuggets to trade Chandler for a 2nd round pick, a late 1st, and a busts. If that was the best offer I would keep Chandler.

Post #11 » by **The Rebel** » Sun Jun 3, 2012 7:58 pm

jmr07019 wrote:Boston fan here, what would Nuggets be looking to get in return?

Lawson at pg plus this

Ice32 wrote:Denver have enough talent at the wing with Afflalo, Gallo, Brewer, Hamilton.

makes me think a big or draft picks. Boston has picks 21 and 22 and / or could sign and trade Brandon Bass to Denver. Any combo of picks and Bass work for you?

Denver will either look for picks or a young veteran player that fits better with the team.

dropBHOmbs · Post #12 » by **dropBHOmbs** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 12:18 am

jmr07019 wrote:Boston fan here, what would Nuggets be looking to get in return?

Lawson at pg plus this

Ice32 wrote:Denver have enough talent at the wing with Afflalo, Gallo, Brewer, Hamilton.

makes me think a big or draft picks. Boston has picks 21 and 22 and / or could sign and trade Brandon Bass to Denver. Any combo of picks and Bass work for you?

I could absolutely see a deal around bass and those picks. The nuggets can offer their 2nd round picks for fairness too.

Chandler, 37, 50, stone and/or brewer (if you want them) for picks 21, 22, bass (5m starting).

nugzin2040 · Post #13 » by **nugzin2040** » Mon Jun 4, 2012 12:33 am

Jodi wrote:Pistons fan here...Would you guys do this trade for Chandler during draft night?

Pistons get: Chandler
Nuggets get: Hill, Eyenga, Lakers 2013 1st rounder, Pistons 2012 2nd rounder
Lakers get: Prince

I would, as I'm not as confident the Lakers pick will be a late 1st rounder. Kobe might decline further, Pau could get moved in a dump. Sure they want to get one of Deron or Dwight, but that might not happen.

Can't see the Lakers trading Hill even if they could.

Laowai · Post #14 » by **Laowai** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:20 pm

I see Chandler as a Raptor next year and agree on the Denver team he would be a back=up but a starter at SF for the Raptors. I see Toronto trading 8th to Houston for 14th and 16th. Then Trading 14th, 56th and Amir Johnson to Denver for Chandler & 20th.

Denver moves up 6 positions and gets a good back-up SF & C which is good protection because of Birdman uncertain circumstances.

Post #15 » by **The Rebel** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 5:35 pm

Laowai wrote:I see Chandler as a Raptor next year and agree on the Denver team he would be a back=up but a starter at SF for the Raptors. I see Toronto trading 8th to Houston for 14th and 16th. Then Trading 14th, 56th and Amir Johnson to Denver for Chandler & 20th.

Denver moves up 6 positions and gets a good back-up SF & C which is good protection because of Birdman uncertain circumstances.

The last thing the Nuggets need is another backup center, especially one that is overpaid. Also Chandler is worth the 14th or so in a trade alone, no reason the Nuggets should be throwing in the 20th overall.

Laowai · Post #16 » by **Laowai** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 1:51 am

The Rebel wrote:
Laowai wrote:I see Chandler as a Raptor next year and agree on the Denver team he would be a back=up but a starter at SF for the Raptors. I see Toronto trading 8th to Houston for 14th and 16th. Then Trading 14th, 56th and Amir Johnson to Denver for Chandler & 20th.

Denver moves up 6 positions and gets a good back-up SF & C which is good protection because of Birdman uncertain circumstances.

The last thing the Nuggets need is another backup center, especially one that is overpaid. Also Chandler is worth the 14th or so in a trade alone, no reason the Nuggets should be throwing in the 20th overall.

That wouldn't happen Chandler isn't worth 14 alone!
Could be revised Chandler, Mozgov &20th for 14th and Johnson or Chandler & 20th for Bayless & 14th.

youngthegiant · Post #17 » by **youngthegiant** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 2:52 am

There is no way denver moves Wilson chandler and Mozgov just to move up 6 spots.

Post #18 » by **The Rebel** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 4:45 am

Laowai wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
Laowai wrote:I see Chandler as a Raptor next year and agree on the Denver team he would be a back=up but a starter at SF for the Raptors. I see Toronto trading 8th to Houston for 14th and 16th. Then Trading 14th, 56th and Amir Johnson to Denver for Chandler & 20th.

Denver moves up 6 positions and gets a good back-up SF & C which is good protection because of Birdman uncertain circumstances.

The last thing the Nuggets need is another backup center, especially one that is overpaid. Also Chandler is worth the 14th or so in a trade alone, no reason the Nuggets should be throwing in the 20th overall.

That wouldn't happen Chandler isn't worth 14 alone!
Could be revised Chandler, Mozgov &20th for 14th and Johnson or Chandler & 20th for Bayless & 14th.

You like many other raptors need some time looking at previous trades so that you can figure out what draft picks really bring back, because it is obvious from your post you have no idea. Last year the 15th overall pick was traded for George Hill, a 12 ppg backup guard. In 2010 the 16th pick brought back an injured Martel Webster. In 2009 the 5th overall pick brought back Randy Foye and Mike Miller. In 2008 the 17th pick brought back an injured declining Jermaine O'Neal. In 2007 the 8th overall pick brought back JRich who had a bad year after suffering a knee injury that he has never been the same since, In 06 the the 8th pick brought back a prime Shane Battier, and the list goes on.

So which of those trades show that Wilson chandler is not worth the 14th overall pick? It seems like some people expect an all star to be traded straight up for a mid-late Lotto pick, and a proven young starter on a good contract to be traded for a mid 1st rounder. yet that has shown to be false, teams don't trade proven young starters for mid 1st rounders, they trade them for mid lotto picks or better. Young unproven players with perceived potential to start or declining older players are what mid 1st round picks get you. guys exactly like Wilson Chandler bring back picks between 12-18.

And before you even start with the falacy about how great this draft is, please tell me the last time 5 teams with top 10 picks were rumored to be shopping those picks to move down if not totally out of the draft? I cannot remember one time half of the top 10 picks were available off the top of my head. That does not indicate that the guys paid to make decisions for their teams actually think the prospects and their upside is worth as much as what they can get for the picks.

Laowai · Post #19 » by **Laowai** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:41 pm

A number of options
Chandler is a good player but won't be a starter in Denver.
Agreed he can and likely will put up 14 & 5 with decent defense.
Toronto's problem is that they don't want to burn cap space on him alone by trading 14th.
They have 1 primary need a SF
Denver needs a back-up PG so add Bayless & 14th & 37th for Chandler & 20th.

Grape God · Post #20 » by **Grape God** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:15 pm

Laowai wrote:A number of options
Chandler is a good player but won't be a starter in Denver.
Agreed he can and likely will put up 14 & 5 with decent defense.
Toronto's problem is that they don't want to burn cap space on him alone by trading 14th.
They have 1 primary need a SF
Denver needs a back-up PG so add Bayless & 14th & 37th for Chandler & 20th.

True, but those options actually have to be beneficial to the Nuggets. I would not include #20 in those discussions. That said I don't especially mind the Bayless, 14, 37 for Chandler, 20. Both GSW's and TOR's 2nds would belong to us and combined with our own + cash would probably return a pick after 25. I think it would be more realistic for Denver to keep our own 1st, then find a later 1st (with the value of #37,#38,#50+cash combined) and convey that pick to Toronto. In that situation Denver would take #16 instead of #14. Overall, something simple like Calderon+#16 for Chandler is the most realistic option.