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With the Cavs as a rebuilding team it is no secret Varejao might be traded this season. I feel you guys, Spurs, Thunder and Celtics would be the best fit. Perfect George Karl type player on a very good contract and could help give leadership to McGee and Faried. I can see the Thunder making a run for him offering a package around the Raptors pick and Perry Jones to go along with Kendrick Perkins bad contract. With the Raptors struggling mightily and looking flat out bad I see Presti wanting to hold on to that pick as it could be a top 5-8 selection.

What do you guys think of

Corey Brewer, Kosta Koufos, Quincy Miller for Anderson Varejao and Omri Casspi

Brewer and Quincy Miller are exactly what the Cavs need at the 3. Someone who can defend, and someone who can create their own shot. With Iggy, Gallo, Chandler and Jordan Hamilton you can afford to part ways with Brewer. Varejao can play the 5 or 4 so he can start next to McGee. Varejao/McGee/Faried/Mozgov frontcourt along with Ty/Miller Iggy/Gallo/Chandler/Hamilton makes the deepest team in the league even more talented and deeper

Just what the Nuggets need a 30 year old hustle big that is currently injured and has missed more then half the last 2 years with injuries.


There is no way in hell I want the Nuggets to take his contract and give up assets for him, especially a young 7 footer who also happens to be our current starting center.

What if it was Quincy Miller, Corey Brewer and Mozgov for Varejao and Casspi

LongLiveIverson wrote:What if it was Quincy Miller, Corey Brewer and Mozgov for Varejao and Casspi

LIke I said there is no way I want the Nuggets to take his contract and give up assets for him, I don't care if all it took was a future second and a TPE Varejao is not worth his deal with his injury problems.

You're crazy if you think Varejao has no or even negative value. I can understand the concerns over his health(though I think at least part of that has to do with being on a terrible team out of contention with no reason to rush back), but his contract is certainly far from bad given all that he does.

For us I don't necessarily see the need for him, as I think he'd be a little redundant with Faried and McGee. But if all we had to give up was Mozgov and Brewer, I'd probably still do it. Could easily flip him for more value down the road and he'd be a valuable piece at the present time. Would possibly even force Karl to play Hamilton some minutes, or at least not play Faried at center anymore. Both wins.

Varejao actually has a very friendly contract and has a player option after next year..hes killing it this year with 14/14. Cavs fans are treating him like Wilt Chamberlain and are expecting an all star in return I thought this was more realistic. McGee/Varejao Koufas/Faried is a killer frountcourt.

Manimal wrote:You're crazy if you think Varejao has no or even negative value. I can understand the concerns over his health(though I think at least part of that has to do with being on a terrible team out of contention with no reason to rush back), but his contract is certainly far from bad given all that he does.

For us I don't necessarily see the need for him, as I think he'd be a little redundant with Faried and McGee. But if all we had to give up was Mozgov and Brewer, I'd probably still do it. Could easily flip him for more value down the road and he'd be a valuable piece at the present time. Would possibly even force Karl to play Hamilton some minutes, or at least not play Faried at center anymore. Both wins.

I love the argument about how it is a bad team so the injuries don't matter, so is the argument that he makes no difference in the Cavs (considering how short they have been on bigs for the last 2 years) competing in games? Or is it that he does not like to play for his teammates and team unless they are locks for the 2nd round of the playoffs? Of course you also ignore that he padded his stats considerably while playing for a bad team.

so you think Varaejao is worth over $18 million a season if fully healthy? his contract is paying him $9 million or so to miss more then half the games so if you think that is a good value then if he was fully healthy you would be okay with paying a max deal for his production right? Varejao is a good hustle player on the wrong side of 30 with a horrible injury history over the last 2 years. The guy has played a total of 61 games since the 2010-2011 season started, think about that for a minute, and then tell me again what a great value a a 30 year old 7 and 7 guy is at $9 million per year.

LongLiveIverson wrote:Varejao actually has a very friendly contract and has a player option after next year..hes killing it this year with 14/14. Cavs fans are treating him like Wilt Chamberlain and are expecting an all star in return I thought this was more realistic. McGee/Varejao Koufas/Faried is a killer frountcourt.

How is $9 million a year for a 25 minute 7 and 7 backup big a friendly contract, add in the age and injury history and that is a joke. As for 14/14, that is a nice 5 game stretch but awful small sample size considering he has been in the league for 8 years, not to mention you are ignoring the fact that he has already missed one game this year and reportedly out tonight again.

I wish Cavs fans saw reality like you I swear they think he's going to bring in a Dwight Howard return im not even joking they think Toronto's pick and Perry Jones and Kendrick Perkins is going to happen.

The Rebel wrote:

Manimal wrote:You're crazy if you think Varejao has no or even negative value. I can understand the concerns over his health(though I think at least part of that has to do with being on a terrible team out of contention with no reason to rush back), but his contract is certainly far from bad given all that he does.

For us I don't necessarily see the need for him, as I think he'd be a little redundant with Faried and McGee. But if all we had to give up was Mozgov and Brewer, I'd probably still do it. Could easily flip him for more value down the road and he'd be a valuable piece at the present time. Would possibly even force Karl to play Hamilton some minutes, or at least not play Faried at center anymore. Both wins.

I love the argument about how it is a bad team so the injuries don't matter, so is the argument that he makes no difference in the Cavs (considering how short they have been on bigs for the last 2 years) competing in games? Or is it that he does not like to play for his teammates and team unless they are locks for the 2nd round of the playoffs? Of course you also ignore that he padded his stats considerably while playing for a bad team.

so you think Varaejao is worth over $18 million a season if fully healthy? his contract is paying him $9 million or so to miss more then half the games so if you think that is a good value then if he was fully healthy you would be okay with paying a max deal for his production right? Varejao is a good hustle player on the wrong side of 30 with a horrible injury history over the last 2 years. The guy has played a total of 61 games since the 2010-2011 season started, think about that for a minute, and then tell me again what a great value a a 30 year old 7 and 7 guy is at $9 million per year.

Talk about twisted logic. But you always spew whatever crap you have to in an attempt to prove a point.

Yes I think the Cavs being one of the worst teams in the league contributed to him missing more games than he probably otherwise would have. If you're playing for nothing but a high lotto pick, there is no point in rushing back from an injury just to hurt the team's chances at a higher pick and risk further injury. Bad teams hold guys out longer all the time.

8-9 mill a year isn't a bargain by any means, but it's certainly far from being a bad contract for the production he brings. He's the perfect glue guy for any playoff team and was a huge reason for the Cavs' success all those years. Especially when you consider what most bigs get paid these days. If you're concerned about his health, fine. But trying to argue that I said he is worth 18 million when healthy is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read on this board in a long time.

When addressing all trades this year the conversation should begin and end with the following....

Can he shoot from outside?

No....next trade scenario

The Nuggets have to 2 for 1 for fringe elite talent, they don't need more role players.

Manimal wrote:

The Rebel wrote:

Manimal wrote:You're crazy if you think Varejao has no or even negative value. I can understand the concerns over his health(though I think at least part of that has to do with being on a terrible team out of contention with no reason to rush back), but his contract is certainly far from bad given all that he does.

For us I don't necessarily see the need for him, as I think he'd be a little redundant with Faried and McGee. But if all we had to give up was Mozgov and Brewer, I'd probably still do it. Could easily flip him for more value down the road and he'd be a valuable piece at the present time. Would possibly even force Karl to play Hamilton some minutes, or at least not play Faried at center anymore. Both wins.

I love the argument about how it is a bad team so the injuries don't matter, so is the argument that he makes no difference in the Cavs (considering how short they have been on bigs for the last 2 years) competing in games? Or is it that he does not like to play for his teammates and team unless they are locks for the 2nd round of the playoffs? Of course you also ignore that he padded his stats considerably while playing for a bad team.

so you think Varaejao is worth over $18 million a season if fully healthy? his contract is paying him $9 million or so to miss more then half the games so if you think that is a good value then if he was fully healthy you would be okay with paying a max deal for his production right? Varejao is a good hustle player on the wrong side of 30 with a horrible injury history over the last 2 years. The guy has played a total of 61 games since the 2010-2011 season started, think about that for a minute, and then tell me again what a great value a a 30 year old 7 and 7 guy is at $9 million per year.

Talk about twisted logic. But you always spew whatever crap you have to in an attempt to prove a point.

Yes I think the Cavs being one of the worst teams in the league contributed to him missing more games than he probably otherwise would have. If you're playing for nothing but a high lotto pick, there is no point in rushing back from an injury just to hurt the team's chances at a higher pick and risk further injury. Bad teams hold guys out longer all the time.

8-9 mill a year isn't a bargain by any means, but it's certainly far from being a bad contract for the production he brings. He's the perfect glue guy for any playoff team and was a huge reason for the Cavs' success all those years. Especially when you consider what most bigs get paid these days. If you're concerned about his health, fine. But trying to argue that I said he is worth 18 million when healthy is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read on this board in a long time.

Talk **** and call names all you want, you are the one arguing that a 7 and 7 guy who gets paid $9 million per year while only playing 61 games over the last 2+ years is a good value. So Genius by all means please list all the 7 and 7 bigs that get paid on average $9+ million over the next 3 years that are on par with Varejao, do not even worry about injury problems that match Varejao as then your list will be awfully short.

i just don't understand why his name keeps getting brought up.

we're chaulk full in the hustle-and-rebounder-but-not-offensively-talented-big-man department. anything we'd do involving varejao would be a lateral move that adds salary.

We are happy for him to remain with the Cavaliers. With a team full of scrubs, he's one of the only reasons we remain competitive in games. Should we become a good team in the near future (on the strength of our phenom back court) his skill set and intangibles will be very valuable. He also sells tickets and creates revenue for the team as he has been in Cleveland for a long time and has a big following. Cavs are unlikely to entertain offers for this all-star caliber player unless they get another all-star player in return or a young, up and comer.

If it is only Cavs fans that seem to value him so much, it is because we watch him play all of the time and see how damn good of a player he is. If other managers around the league fail to recognize this, then that is their loss.

No problem. Wish you luck with this "all-star caliber center."

I think we Nugget fans are being awful hard on Andy. I do think he is a significant upgrade over Koufos. He is a defense first guy which when it comes to getting a key stop or two (the difference between winning and losing) he steps up. Good at taking charges... good team defense guy... and as a coach I like that he knows what he can and cannot do.

I think we are undervaluing him a bit. My only major concern is the injury risk we take on. And this guy isn't bringing a lot of offensive game with him.

I'm not saying we should unload prospects for him... but let's not hate on a pretty good defensive center here.

Manimal wrote:Yes I think the Cavs being one of the worst teams in the league contributed to him missing more games than he probably otherwise would have. If you're playing for nothing but a high lotto pick, there is no point in rushing back from an injury just to hurt the team's chances at a higher pick and risk further injury. Bad teams hold guys out longer all the time.

And... you realize he missed about 104 games in sixt season he played with LeBron and Cavs won 42,45,50 twice, 61 and 66 games? That doesn't mesh well with "no point in rushing back" theory.

Varejao is fine, don't take me wrong. If he'd play 75+ games every year his contract would be great.

im not a nuggets fan or a cavs fan.

but this trade is horrible for both sides. the prospects you think you could give to the cavs in return is laughable. corey brewer and mozgov? are you out of your ****ing mind?

that said, he is a bad fit/redundant player for your team. the nuggets aren't even really close to competing seriously at all, so this is bad trade idea on multiple levels.

Also i looked at his stats and i'm suprised he's having such a good year. Hopefully he stays healthy.

Like him or not for the Nuggets Varejao is playing extremely well right now. Far better than anything Koufos will ever accomplish.

CLIN wrote: the nuggets aren't even really close to competing seriously at all

You should re-consider that stance. Almost all the nuggets are individually playing like ****. I see that improving soon when they regress to the mean. These players are getting accustomed to Iggy and the loss of Big Al. Big Al was a 25% USG player. Iggy is indisputably better than Afflalo, but Afflalo was a shooter and provided spacing. The coach is coaching like ****, although that certainly wont change. And they had a hard schedule. Despite all that the nuggets are #7 in hollinger's power rankings.

If the nuggets are playing well and there is some chemistry, they will make noise in the playoffs. The Griz dont scare me, the Clips dont really scare me, the Thunder scare me, but less so w/out harden, the spurs dont scare me, the lakers dont scare me, and Utah's size scares me a little bit, but overall the west is weak as hell. With Iggy to guard one of Durant/Westbrook I like our chances more and more. Then when you consider adding a player I think the nuggets are close to contention. The issue then becomes working that new player(s) into the fold, but there will be a smaller adjustment than Afflalo/Big Al to Iggy.

Also, Iggy is starting to thrive. I think he will be an incredible fit for this system and have his career years here this year and next. After that he will start to fall off slightly, which is part of the reason the nuggets should push the chips in now while Iggy is at his peak.